a small bonus for hover

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From the dictionary:

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Hover: to stay in one place in the air

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English isn't your first language Sorudo, don't try to tell those who do have English as thier first language what English words mean.

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^ Be Told.

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I don't think that's a particularly good attitude to have universally. I've known plenty of people who don't have English as their first language speak it, and know it, far better than a huge amount who do.

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I have no issue with the language part of it. I *do* know tha the majority of the group I play with are actually Fins/Danes and such, and speak Enlgish better than me a lot of the time

I do have an issue with trying to hit us with a dictionary to try and make a suggestion a 'this is good you should agree' item.
Again, thats purely my opnion, and is as open to tearing apart as anyone elses =P

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Hover: to stay in one place in the air

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English isn't your first language Sorudo, don't try to tell those who do have English as thier first language what English words mean.

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^ Be Told.

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I don't think that's a particularly good attitude to have universally. I've known plenty of people who don't have English as their first language speak it, and know it, far better than a huge amount who do.

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Some do, and some just think they do.

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Hover: to stay in one place in the air

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English isn't your first language Sorudo, don't try to tell those who do have English as thier first language what English words mean.

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^ Be Told.

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I don't think that's a particularly good attitude to have universally. I've known plenty of people who don't have English as their first language speak it, and know it, far better than a huge amount who do.

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Some do, and some just think they do.

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Honestly, I think you're reading a bit too much into it here. I don't think sorudo claims to be any kind of authority on the English language, and it's just a simple enough misconception about the meaning of a word. Everyone has misconceptions about the meaning of some words. I've had loads, and I still do. We don't know which ones because we probably think we know what they mean, and it hasn't occurred to us otherwise.

In short, a trend of text-based communication on the internet is that you will read things in a light that make the writer seem jerk-ish. It's not in any way a precise form of communication and it's very easy to not efficiently convey what you were trying to say, or more importantly the manner in which you were trying to say it. It's easy enough to type something jovially or jokingly, and it gets interpreted as if you're saying it in an angry or indignant manner. My reluctance to use smilies often makes that happen.

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Moving quickly past discussions of language and on to the original topic, I think I'll /unsign the suggestion.

The OP's original suggestion, that he thinks "a small bonus is [u]needed[u]" (my emphasis) is clearly contradicted by other people's actual experience (and my own!), plus the OP admits "i barely use it so i don't know much about it".

Also the OP doesn't actually give any specifics as to why this change might be needed (beyond the implicit "more is better" that would apply to any boost of any power), and last but by no means least I strongly suspect any altitude-based boost would need significant work on the game engine before it could be applied at all.

So, lots of work for something of marginal or zero benefit - no thanks.

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I don't think sorudo claims to be any kind of authority on the English language, and it's just a simple enough misconception about the meaning of a word.

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If this was the first time this poster has made pronouncements based upon a misconception of the meaning of a word, then I would have let it pass. However this poster makes something of a habit of it.

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A perfectly understandable mistake, I think.

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Not really. Of course, that's my opinion. Particularly: if you are going to quote an incorrect definition as fact, it's a good idea to check a dictionary before doing so.

PS. It's wise to actually know who you are defending and the kinds of post they generally make before attempting a defence.

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The fact of the matter is, there are some powers in the game that are great right out of the box. However there are others that require slotting to become awesome. Hover is one of them. Once you've got 3 Flight IOs in it, it becomes very fast at higher levels, my 50 overtakes people sprinting. If people want to complain about it being useless unslotted then I might as well complain about things like Consume, Flash, Cloak of Fear etc.

If you really want to save slots on your travel powers, take the Leaping pool, neither CJ or Superjump require slots to be great.

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OK i stand corrected. It is not extremely useless power. And I know how to slot it. I just don't want to waste slots. In my opinion staying out of melee indefinitely is not that great, like having superior maneuverability on the ground with swift, hurdle and CJ. Hell I'll slot hurdle before i even begin to tank of taking hover. I can easily elude any melees (ok not 100% of the time) with those 3 powers unsloted.

I guess hovering above and blasting in not my way of playing. I like to be in melee even with a blaster.

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I just don't want to waste slots.

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You don't need to for it to be useful. It only needs any slotting if you want to move quickly, which is not even vaguely required to make it very useful if you don't want to spend a lot of time being hit.

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I just don't want to waste slots.

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You don't need to for it to be useful. It only needs any slotting if you want to move quickly, which is not even vaguely required to make it very useful if you don't want to spend a lot of time being hit.

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...and, pretty much by definition, if you think a power's not much cop wothout slots but becomes useful with them, those slots aren't being wasted.

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Very few powers are worth a thing unslotted. Be thankful Hover doesn't need much to do its job well.

Heck, someone mentioned unslotted Consume, ooh boy..

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yea ok. like i said. I like to be in melee even with a blaster.

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[u]I just don't want to waste slots[u]. In my opinion staying out of melee indefinitely is not that great, like having superior maneuverability on the ground with [u]swift, hurdle and CJ[u]. Hell I'll slot hurdle before I even begin to think of taking hover.

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So, 3 powers to make up for 2 slots, yeah, I can see the benifit.

But then, I do admit that those 3 powers are good out of the box and don't need slotting, although I find the jump height in CJ a bit too small to leave unslotted.

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I must say it is useless power. If u are so keen of flight take air superiority not hover. Otherwise if u like to have it just for 2.5% def bonus use combat jumping instead. At least it gives u immobilize protection.

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I have it on all my concept flying squishies. It is fantastic...

Useless you say?

- Rise above melee for almost no endurance cost
- Added defence to all
- Knock Back Protection
- Uneffected by -fly powers (most seem to forget that, its rather new)

Slot Swift with a fly, and add one fly at least to hover and you are ok with speed. Toggle between fly and hover when out or in combat.

Only my flying tanker and scrapper went for air superiority and fly. Basically they dont need the hover defence. But then you have to slot 2 or 3 endurance reductions on fly. Or you get drained of endurance.

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I have Hover 3 slotted for flight speed on four of my toons. It's brilliant, especially on the blasters which get to cruise around like helicopter gunships raining all kinds of hurt on mobs from outside of melee range.

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Hover DID just get a boost, as 'El Contessa' pointed out; - fly does zilch against Hover. A friend of mine I duelled with was very shocked when air superiority didnt work kehehehe...Even though I eventually lost (there was a 28 lvl difference, slot and suchwise) that made my day XD

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- Uneffected by -fly powers (most seem to forget that, its rather new)

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It's not that most people forget it. It's that it's not true.

Hover gives -Fly resistance. Not protection. -Fly affects you, it just wears off slightly faster. Just yesterday -Fly was affecting me through Hover, but this was PvE, perhaps it's different for PvP.

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Whereas in the past anything with -fly sent you groundward, Hover no longer gets affected by them, or if so it requires stacking, like most mez protect.

Fr'example;
Air Superiority hits you while Flying. You fall.
Air Superiorty hits you while Hovering. You do not fall.
Air Superiority AND a web grenade hit you while Hovering. You fall (I think...)

Thats a guess, anyway. Anyone tested it thusly?

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so...are the flamebats gone?
now can someone explain me why everyone is shouting WONG and RIGHT and FACT in an offensive tone, is someone dieing?

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It seems a lot of people think that Hover is alright as it is. It also did get a boost in I13 in that it has -fly resistance, unlike regular fly.

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so...are the flamebats gone?
now can someone explain me why everyone is shouting WONG and RIGHT and FACT in an offensive tone, is someone dieing?

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* It's a text medium
* Returning the same tone
* Force of habit

I think that's the order of reasons, some posts may have all reasons, other posts may have but one of these reasons, and of course, I could be completely wrong.

In most posts I've seen from you, your 'tone' seems rather 'I'm right, wake up and see that', whether intentional or not.
That said, I don't read all the boards, so to say that I've probably missed half your posts would be an understatement.
Take my observation as you will.

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It's not that most people forget it. It's that it's not true.

Hover gives -Fly resistance. Not protection. -Fly affects you, it just wears off slightly faster. Just yesterday -Fly was affecting me through Hover, but this was PvE, perhaps it's different for PvP.

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Id guess something along those lines, Col.

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I still feel as a stand alone power hover could do with a small speed boost when compared to combat jumping as CJ is immediately useful without need of slotting while hover requires fly speed enhancements and sprint to become effective.

But saying that its not a huge issue i just recon hover would be more useful if it at least let you move at something approaching normal walking speed strait out the box. but i certainly wouldn't want to see the devs go to the trouble of having it give different speeds dependant on your altitude.

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But if they increased the speed (which IMO is fine as is) they'd also probably increase the END cost or reduce the flight magnitude. Which would change the power enough for some people to be of less use. TBH if I was wanting anything done to Hover it would be to add a small resistance to knockback, that IMO would make it far superior to what it is.

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Funny you should mention end cost just been tacking a look in mids to compare the 2 and hover has a higher end cost than CJ.

Combat jumping: end cost .07/s 1.88def -10.4imob .2mph jump speed 8ft jump height
also gives increased maneuvrability while jumping

Hover: end cost .2/s 1.88def gives, flyspeed of 5.4mph
also gives you semi KB protection

So from looking at it hover is actually worse than CJ by a it uses more end (admittidly not a lot more) and gives less benefits

taking it further slotting hover with 3 flight speed SO's gives you a speed of 19.6mph a hole 5.3 mph faster than normal run (14.3) granted you do have vertical movement and at that speed its useful for combat. How useful in combat tho I'm not sure considering a lot of combat takes place in caves and corridors where head room is limited.

So i still recon Hover deserves a small speed boost give it a base speed of about 6 or 7 mph it would still be slower than normal but would at least have some decent maneuvrability strait of the bat.

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