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It is, but to say everything about PVp is now bad is lying as there are good changes there too, no matter what you class as good, but the doomsayers just wont admit it, they are so busy slagging it off.
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That all depends on what people class as good.
For me i have not found anything good about the changes and as such have hung up my pvp toons until more changes are done.
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But it makes no difference,lol it couldnt be worse than it was as nobody was PVPing anyway!!
Thats the whole point. You and others moaning about how you have hung up your pvp toons is aa mute point as you obviously werent before as PVP was dead before all of this.
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Pvp was far from dead before i13 there was alot of very active pvpers myself included, the changes have shown that the pvp community as a whole dont like it simple fact, like rent said i have not hung up my cape as i have been forced to return to the pve game and once these arena changes are sorted and depending what they are like im sure i will be back pvping, zone pvp is just a no go for me now until its sorted out.
Alot of the pvp lot have gone its true but there is still alot of us left waiting in the shadows until what was broken is once again fixed .
Well, it *was* popular, it just wasn't full.
Popular implies that it was liked, which it was.
PVP zones were not full, I will agree that, but they *were* enjoyed by many with pre-i13 rules.
Fahie
I agree - PvP was not dead before i13.
The blanket statement that there was nothing good for PvP from i13 IS a lie.
1. Selectable arena maps
That is all.
@Sweet Chilli
Actually, another positive thing from I13.
The people who actually put time into pvp pre-I13 have actually gotten off their rear-ends and vocalised their enjoyment of pvp, myself included.
Fahie
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The blanket statement that there was nothing good for PvP from i13 IS a lie.
1. Selectable arena maps
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There are also dual builds, although I personally have no use for them.
Sorry but I disagree, zonal PVPing was dead, I enjoy PVP and kept checking for people in zones, and aside from the usual suspects farming turrets in RV they were dead.
And I can say that the posts after me agreed with my side too.
Okay maybe I was a bit strong saying you were lying, maybe I should have just said being the worlds biggest drama queen. 
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I agree it was enjoyed, but it was dead and people didnt go in anymore.
That is why the devs are trying to change things.
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You said PvP - that includes both zonal and arena. Arena wasn't dead therefore PvP wasn't dead.
Either way - if you see everything about 'your side winning' then thats the wrong view of things to take.
BTW - Rent is right and everything he says on here is pretty much spot on. He has my full support.
@Sweet Chilli
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You said PvP - that includes both zonal and arena. Arena wasn't dead therefore PvP wasn't dead.
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Both were dead on defiant.
People keep using the word "dead".
Dead implies no life at all, defunct, deceased. An ex-pastime with no hope of resurrection.
It's simply not true, and I'm afraid that no amount of saying that it is ( or name calling ) will make that so.
In the month prior to I13 I spent several evenings where SC had enough people in it for teams of 5 on each side.
I also had several major PVP arena duels, sometimes arranged and sometimes after I trash-talked in zonal 
If that's 'dead' then I think you have set your expectations a little high.
Fahie
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Both were dead on defiant.
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Defia....? Whats that? :P
Anyways....PvP was never dead. It wasn't even in a coma. It was shambling along the roadside looking for the nearest hospital.
i13 was the car that hit it and drove on without stopping to see if it was dead.
@Sweet Chilli
Two things were good from i13.... Multi builds and selectable arena maps. Only the maps are directly related to PvP changes and it doesn't affect how the game plays so i'm not counting them as a good PvP change either.
Zonal PvP was not dead on Union.... If your on Union and found that they were you weren't coming in RV and SC at the right times. 6pm+ was the times to be in.
The only reason imo why the devs changed the system is because Japanese owners love PvP in every game and they think they know better from half a year with this game than the players that have spent 5 years playing it. Wouldn't surprise me if their "vision" was CoH being only PvP.
Dunno how many people are reading this thread but how many PvP'ers are still around on all servers? I'm in the process of sorting out preliminary test ladder stuff.
CoH PvP SG = SuperUnion - Co-Leader - Union/Freedom
CoV PvP VG = Disruption - Co-Leader - Union/Freedom
Global = @Rent & @Rent.
Playgroup are all **** - Global Handle
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Sorry but I disagree, zonal PVPing on Defiant was dead, I enjoy PVP and kept checking for people in zones, and aside from the usual suspects farming turrets in RV they were dead.
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Sorry but have to edit that for accuracy zhaan, Apart from the occasional night a week where MU and a load of heroes found themselves online at the same time, there is little to no regular zonal pvp on Defiant. (I assume its Defiant your talking about as i know you from there)
(((I'm a Defiant player, i learned to PvP on Defiant, its my home server, I have no issue admitting this)))
Now from my experience of PvP on other servers including Union, Freedom and Virtue (yes, it is legitimate to mention US servers, this was a change to CoX PvP, not EU PvP) there is a pretty sizeable zonal crowd. Ive enjoyed a plethora of 6v6 to 10v10 @ peak times on Union multiple nights a week and theres always at least 10 people in Freedom RV, at peak times theres easily 16v16 (had a full zone one day 
that was epic)
So i totally disagree with a blanket statement that zonal PvP was dead.
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Dunno how many people are reading this thread but how many PvP'ers are still around on all servers? I'm in the process of sorting out preliminary test ladder stuff.
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Good question maybe all the pvpers who are still here but are not pvping should post there name up so....
Shockwave, still here and waiting for pvp to get good again, will be looking at any arena pvp events once the changes are made and im sure i can drag a few others with me
I think the point that Shazan is attempting to get across when saying "Zonal PvP is dead" is "PvP zones isn't as populated as I'd like them to be", and therefore refers to it as dead.
But as DJ, Fahie and Rent have said already, it isn't dead...it's just got the odd tumbleweed floating through at off-peak times.
Now, we are never going to have anywhere near as many pvp'ers in PvP zones, especially with the (my opinion -> naff changes, as the US servers, and with more than 50% of the pvp community already left (because of these changes) we will more than likely never have as many populating the zones again.
I know Rent will agree when I say this, but a lot of the PvP community stated that there was no reward for zonal PvP (apart from the thrill-of-the-kill) and I agree with that. Now I'm still testing pvp myself to see if it is indeed still remotely fun as it used to be, but there are many flaws in it as well as those now implemented with the release of i13, that need to be addressed.
Imo the idea of changes to arena so you can pvp pre-i13 is a step in the right direction and I am all for that, but for those who prefer zonal pvp how it used to be it's still not going to be enough. Players have spent hours upon hours working to get their character to a standard of which they think is "playable" (and not necessarily by farming) have wasted their time and this is what I think has put them off enough to cancel their subs.
Regardless of bad data/usable data that has been collected prior to the launch of i13, shouldn't the devs be listening now to correct the "mistake" that has occured?
What I'd like to see is:
1. The changes made to pvp to be reverted
[Please Note: I have NO problem with the changes at this present time as I'm still testing, but because of these changes there are even less players to pvp against]
2. More rewards for Zonal and Arena PvP.
Rep (and badges from accumilated rep), bounty (SC: which you can spend only on inspirations?!) and the recent small amount of influence/infamy per kill is not adequate for the term 'Reward'.
Things such as costume pieces/special auras for reaching a certain amount of rep, special pvp specific IOs etc. I don't know what is viable so I'm just throwing ideas about, but if there was more gain from pvping I'm sure this would attract more people to enter the zones than changing the whole system players (not just the pvp'ers) have come to learn. This whole thing in regards to rewards/more player interest in pvp has been stated by many time and time again, but it still appears to have fallen on deaf ears.
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Good question maybe all the pvpers who are still here but are not pvping should post there name up so....
Shockwave, still here and waiting for pvp to get good again, will be looking at any arena pvp events once the changes are made and im sure i can drag a few others with me
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I haven't a scooby doo about what this test ladder is, but sign me up. Anything to get a bit of action
Warhammer online is apparently the first MMO to award xp from pvp kills. At least thats how I understood the article in a gaming mag. Lets see how it pans out.
Nicky ready and waiting for the word!!!
This gonna be run on test?
If you explain your plan I could maybe join. I only have couple 50 characters though. Id appreciate if we tried things at lower levels too.
I've sent my idea's to GR to look over but i know he's a busy guy so it might be a few days till he can get back to me. As soon as he does however i'll post what i've come up with.
It's probably going to be a league rather than a ladder though if i'm honest as there simply won't be enough people for a ladder and it won't work well i don't think. Same concept though.
And it will more than likely be on test depending on server location of players who sign up.
CoH PvP SG = SuperUnion - Co-Leader - Union/Freedom
CoV PvP VG = Disruption - Co-Leader - Union/Freedom
Global = @Rent & @Rent.
Playgroup are all **** - Global Handle
I'm up for it
A couple of pvp-specced 50's and a couple of SC level toons can be provided.
I might be able to get my co-leader along too. Shes got quite a few pvp 50's
Fahie
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I've sent my idea's to GR to look over but i know he's a busy guy so it might be a few days till he can get back to me. As soon as he does however i'll post what i've come up with.
It's probably going to be a league rather than a ladder though if i'm honest as there simply won't be enough people for a ladder and it won't work well i don't think. Same concept though.
And it will more than likely be on test depending on server location of players who sign up.
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Just got your offliners mate, ill pm ya the details of a vent server im on, we can discuss there and get GR involved
Yeah I was on about Defiant, as thats where all my alts are, and btw when I say dead, I mean dead as in every time I check the zones there is absolutely zero people in them.
We have actually just checked all 4 zones, and there is not one person in them at 11pm.
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HEEEE HOOOOOO
DarkVezonix in the house!!!!!!
Well well well, look what I heard when I came on msn, you finally trying to win the "excisting ex-pvpers" back
First of all, after pushing your plans through. Even tho players hated the ideas and now you finally make a U turn ?????
Does this have anything to do with the subs cancelled and then reactivation weekend, getting desperate? Or did the big boss threatend to fire your buttcheeks?
First you said I13 wasnt designed for the excisting pvp community, then this! Just makes you look really stupid, or wait should I make it more constructive ?
Well it's been to my attention that you guys after all the efford you did in I13 and making it pvp on a golden plate for the ones who werent willing to improve their skills that I believe, and this is my opinion, you guys are EPIC FAILS
Anyway here is something from me and a whole lot of other "ex-pvpers".
Kiss our KADUNKA, but not just the cheeks.
EAT [censored]
Buh bye now
the one who WAS called @DarkVezonix
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It is, but to say everything about PVp is now bad is lying as there are good changes there too, no matter what you class as good, but the doomsayers just wont admit it, they are so busy slagging it off.
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That all depends on what people class as good.
For me i have not found anything good about the changes and as such have hung up my pvp toons until more changes are done.
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But it makes no difference,lol it couldnt be worse than it was as nobody was PVPing anyway!!
Thats the whole point. You and others moaning about how you have hung up your pvp toons is aa mute point as you obviously werent before as PVP was dead before all of this.
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It wasnt dead before at all, it wasnt popular, but it wasnt dead.