I can't recall ever asking for any kind of buff ever 
In fact, the only time I have to mention them is to ask to not be SB'ed
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You'll notice the total and utter lack of any universal quantifiers in my OP.
i.e. I don't actually claim that everybody does it.
But thanks for the quick response, and a 2 liner (and 2 smilies) at that.
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It's natural for people to notice others mistakes, and it's what most are good at (And never realizing or admitting their own, even).
I played an Empath a good while, but ultimately got very bored of it. However, I'd find that sometimes my healing was completely superfluous, and I'd stand around doing nothing but buffing and using my tier 1 attack powers.
When I was actually running back and forth, healing, rezzing, and buffing the whiners, I found that after everything'd calmed down, explaining my situation to the team helped. We're all human, after all. We can understand.
So even if they're calling you noob, slow, bad healer or whatever, explain your trouble to them, and I'll sure they'll at the very least keep it in the back of their mind, for further consideration. Trust the good in people
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You'll notice the total and utter lack of any universal quantifiers in my OP.
i.e. I don't actually claim that everybody does it.
But thanks for the quick response, and a 2 liner (and 2 smilies) at that.
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You're welcome 
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i rather have them NOT buff me, most of the buffs have annoying effects and some even destroy my character story.
i was ones in a team with an ice troller, but my RP character is lord of hell.
A LORD OF HELL DIES IN ICE, IT KILLS, NOT PROTECT.
even after i told him 3x not to put that ice shield on me, he just ignored and kept casting ice shield.
i left the team, they asked why i left and after i told them why, they just said that i have to deal with it....
all and all, just ignore the rude ppl, and ask if they want a buff if you're in a team.
group invisible is nice, but brutes and tanks are useless when they are invisible.
No they're not - Invis doesn't stop Taunt effects working from any power.
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even after i told him 3x not to put that ice shield on me, he just ignored and kept casting ice shield.
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So you had an inconsiderate buffer - annoying, but a different issue. I try not to buff people who say they don't want (fairly common for SB).
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punchvoke, taunt and auras still work fine and easily overcome inviz. ANd the added +def buff can be welcome for some characters.
I tend not to take it myself though when on a melee character.
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It's natural for people to notice others mistakes, and it's what most are good at (And never realizing or admitting their own, even).
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I believe that I spot my own mistakes. I also spot others mistakes.
What I don't try to do is tell others how to play. That's effectively what other people are doing when they demand a buff.
If I see others playing in a way that I think wouldn't be my style I keep quiet - unless they're repeatedly bringing doom/aggro on the whole team. The other player pays their money and plays their way - it's not for me to start shouting at them just because they're not in some kind of Vulcan mind link with me!
The only time I actually see calling for a buff as reasonable is when mezzed and asking for ID/CM/etc - but even then a 'zzz' or 'mezzed' in chat is better. Don't cal for a set power, but by all means klet the buffers know that you're mezzed.
And even that isn't often required if the buffers are usually keeping pre-emptive mez-protection on the team squisjies - i.e. if you're mezzed it's probably because the buffers are mezzed or otherwise engaged. Patience and keeping the odd bf to hand are better tactics than demanding a power be used.
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Although I don't complain about it I'm sometimes the other way around. Some Defender dutifully puts various shields on me so I don't die screaming every three minutes, and I'm rather stupidly thinking, "Dammit! Stop with the ice shield thingy! I can't see Carnal Sins butt anymore!".
It's probably best the decision is out of my hands.
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After playing three missions with a kinetic defender who not used speed boost once, i will prob ask for it.
I usually don't tho.
When I'm playing my Emp I try to ask who wants what before we start....
...But then forget who said what (it's my age the memory goes first 
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When on a Blaster or Scrapper I only say something when mezzed the simple "ZZZ". I find it best to let everyone do their job and I get on with mine
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i dont mind if people ask for CM/SB etc but if its like RA/fort i think its up to the buffer to decide when to give them out and who too ^^ because im pretty sure when a RA is ready people try give it out asap or when needed
When on a defender/buffer i usually say when i join the team/when a new player joins to say whether they DONT want my buffs or not. Much quicker then ^_^
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I agree that it can be annoying.
On my empath I have a bind to resolve the buff me please request when I am mezzed.
I hit a key and I am Held/Slept and cannot buff pops up.
On my Bubbles Defender I have a bind that I can use that comes up in local Bubbles are on their way! so that folk know I am doing the rounds with the buffs.
And on my Kinetic and Thermal I always ask the team before I buff them and try hard not to apply buffs where its not wanted.
It is hard sometimes in the heat of battle to reapply shields or any buffs to the correct people. I have accidently buffed the wrong person before, but always apologized. The worst thing I found was when another toon joined with the same power set and starts buffing everyone without asking
.i always feel like everyone is glaring at me when it wasnt me!!
Its easy to blame the healer when someone dies. Some people just dont notice that he was held or slept and could not help the victim.
The bind for Held/Slept has always helped to prevent the accusing fingers pointing.
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* Why do people seem to think it's ok to tell a buffer that it's time for them to fire off power x?
I never say to a tank 'taunt enemy X plz'; to a scrapper 'shadow maul plz' nor to a blaster 'NOVA PLX!!' - so why the hell do other people think it's fine to demand SB/CM/fort/ID/O2/whatever - particularly when you're dishing it out as fast as it charges/expires.[/b]
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Actually, my Corrupter was teamed with someone who felt that they could dictate when to use her attack powers the other day - she kept getting orders to use Rain of Fire against lone minions. Not to mention the demands for buffing with Forge, a power she didn't have at the time...
As a controller I only ever buff when I am not busy, I also thank the maker for key binds. Most of the teams I have been on recently have been pretty solid consequently they require less buffs.
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Is it just my perception, or is anyone else noticing more people demanding buffs like this?
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Not more people, just the same number, which isnt many. I remember this happening a few years ago when I first started the game, and every now and again I see it happening now. As I say, though, its few and far between.
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Why do people seem to think it's ok to tell a buffer that it's time for them to fire off power x?
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While playing a blaster Ive had players tell me when to nova, and Ive seen arguments break out about players not using (or using) powers when others want or dont want them, so, yeah, I think it happens with other ATs, just not as frequently.
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Why do the people who insist on doing this seem to believe that appending 'plz' (never the word 'please') to the demand for the buff/heal miraculously turns the demand into a polite (and fully acceptable) request?
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I think thats kind of a personal thing. Apart from the spelling, is there really a difference between plz and please? Its just that some of perceive plz to be slightly more rude, when in fact the sentiment behind it is just the same. Personally Id like everyone to say, Please may I have a buff when you get chance to do it? but I suspect typing that out would cause more deaths. 
Its kind of like the difference between saying, thank you very much and ty. I always presume the sentiment behind both is the same and not that someone saying ty is any less thankful than someone saying the fuller version.
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There have been the odd times when I am in a team on a mission that is stretching us all, and at times like that Ive really wanted to keep asking for SB or some such, when Ive been without it for a while. Ive always stopped myself from actually asking, but the desire is often strong as the ground looms closer. Other times when were breezing through a mission, like a clipper with a strong wind behind it, Im not bothered if I never get a buff.
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Personally I’d like everyone to say, “Please may I have a buff when you get chance to do it?” but I suspect typing that out would cause more deaths.
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That's why I never play fantasy MMOs... Chatspeak is necessary, especially in combat, but all those TYs, OMWs, Plz, etc., just don't mix with high fantasy, IMO. But in CoX we have mobile phones and holodisplays, so why not chatspeak?
That said, I don't like it outside of combat too...
Ick the buff request is a pain in the neck sometimes. Worst I've ever had was my dark/kin corrupter Sic Elfling, teamed through the Times Arrow Tf with an irritating Stone Tank. Worse still it was someone I have met through our many personal player gatherings...anyway the instant he found out I was on the team he said "Ooh a /kin time to sort out my bind."
The next thing I knew I got a tell saying, "Oi Kin..SB Now Plz!!"
He'd bound it to a key so when he felt like his Granite armour was getting heavy he could bug me. Now I certainly dont mind helping out the team, and having the buffs and debuffs of /Kin one of my favourite things to do is FS peeps up to the Damage cap and watch them raise hell (whilst throwing in a Fulcrum Shifted Darkstar when I get chance..thank gawd for transference) but being sequestered as the tanks personal Speed Booster is degrading and unecessary. Needless to say I paid very little attention to that bind.....he used it, quite a lot, but he got SB when I deemed it reasonable to do so.
I can understand frustration at someone who has the buffs but doesn't use them. Sometimes it's that they just dont understand the powers that they have; I've been playing for 3 years and I'm still trying new powers and new combinations.
Eeee, I remember the days when SB was hated....I used to ask when I joined a team if peeps wanted it and most of them didn't....now everyone wants the cursed thing.
With regard to RAs, I have binds on my empath, they rotate through a sequence of different phrases to try and vary the message each time. However it just ended up irritating everyone so I just use develish cunning to figure out who needs Fort (I'm scrapper biased so it's Scrappers foist, then Blasters :P) and AB (Blasters usually, so their Endurance death after an AoE isn't so painful), then apply the RAs to as many folks as I can when they're availible.
Oh and if you're held/stunned/messed/generally undone, a "zzz" in team chat is perfect: it says everything I need to know and will make you my next target.
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When teaming i expect everyone to help out, i expect the tanker to get in there first if he can survive it, i expect the blaster not to sit at the door, the scrapper to scrap and yes the Cold defender to buff me.
I dont shout immediatly for shields when they drop (unless im a tank and its mid-fight and im dying because of it), i dont expect to be SB'd by a dead kin nor do i expect heals from an empath at the other end of the map.
But if im teaming with a Cold/TA defender (for example, not intended towards anyone) who only attacks and debuffs i will ask for shields, and frankly i expect him to keep em up most of the time if his team members need them.
The issue goes both ways, i have played a Cold Corruptor for god nows how many hundred hours and a FF defender to 50, it can be annoying when ppl ask for buffs when you are busy with something more important or just cant. But its equally annoying with a FF defender to damn lazy to bubble his team mates unless asked for it.
I see it as a sign of appreciation, you really know your buffs help out when you lag behind a bit and 2 guys run in unbuffed and promptly faceplants.
If a lazy buffer gets poked a bit he usually straighten up, if a buff-begger gets slapped down a bit and told you are awake and doing your best he usually shuts up. But Numptys are everywhere.
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I usually find the ones that complain most about not receiving buffs are those that charge off whilst you are working down the list of the team buffing each in turn. Well surprise surprise if they're not around they take their chances.
What is even more annoying about it is that by running off others think the buffs have all been given and charge off as well, this compounded by the time wasted trying to work out why your buff has failed to fire thus slowing down buffing everyone else.
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Actually, my Corrupter was teamed with someone who felt that they could dictate when to use her attack powers the other day - she kept getting orders to use Rain of Fire against lone minions. Not to mention the demands for buffing with Forge, a power she didn't have at the time...
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Scouts honour that wasn't me getting some form of petty revenge on the world. No. It wasn't. Really.
Although about 2 weeks ago I did say 'attack the enemy plz' after having buffs demanded (whilst they were still in effect) gawd-knows-how-many-times. I don't think the team spotted this as sarcasm.
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Why do the people who insist on doing this seem to believe that appending 'plz' (never the word 'please') to the demand for the buff/heal miraculously turns the demand into a polite (and fully acceptable) request?
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I think thats kind of a personal thing. Apart from the spelling, is there really a difference between plz and please? Its just that some of perceive plz to be slightly more rude, when in fact the sentiment behind it is just the same. Personally Id like everyone to say, Please may I have a buff when you get chance to do it? but I suspect typing that out would cause more deaths.
Its kind of like the difference between saying, thank you very much and ty. I always presume the sentiment behind both is the same and not that someone saying ty is any less thankful than someone saying the fuller version.
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It's not really the abbreviation that I object to. It is the way that people think that appending 'plz' makes it a polite and totally acceptable request. In those circumstances if you're trying to come across as polite and reasonable I'd expect you to bend over backwards trying to appear polite.. and that means no txtspk.
At the weekend when I pointed out that calls of SB PLZ were annoying and unnecessary as the team were hardly without SB I did actually have someone claim that they'd asked politely (due to always saying PLZ) as if that meant all was fine.
Maybe the best response is 'go do unspeakable things to yourself plz' and then argue that at least I said it politely!
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There have been the odd times when I am in a team on a mission that is stretching us all, and at times like that Ive really wanted to keep asking for SB or some such, when Ive been without it for a while. Ive always stopped myself from actually asking, but the desire is often strong as the ground looms closer. Other times when were breezing through a mission, like a clipper with a strong wind behind it, Im not bothered if I never get a buff.
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Likewise.
And tbh if I've been forgetful or if we're suddenly in a really tight spot then the odd request isn't going to annoy me in the slightest - heck occasionally if someone dies and is rezzed I may not be so fast getting them rebuffed.
And it doesn't bother me with new team mates if they ask at first... but if 10 minutes later they are virtually never unbuffed and still keep demanding it every minute or so then that's a different matter.
I've been seeing this a lot recently in teams that aren't massively stretched and where the buffs are kept up - so demanding the buffs (which they are already receiving) is superfluous and becomes downright irritating!
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Ahh, the stories we can tell...
Personally, I hate having my tanks and scrappers SBed - I always ask for NO Speed Boost when I join a team that includes a Kin. Yesterday I kept getting SB from each of the two Kins in spite of asking, and was given a load of back chat and lecturing from one of them throughout the mission about why I needed it. I would have thought seeing the main tank over run the mobs and losing aggro to the following squishies would have offered a different point of view but apparently some people always know best...
Then there was the time I spent a Hollows mission having my Sonic/Sonic defender yelled at throughout with shouts of "Heal! Heal! For Pity's Sake, think of the children and HEAL!!" (or maybe it was "WER R DA HELORZ" or somesuch nonsense ) I had to tell them I was a sonic defender and had no "Heal" To which someone wittily responded along the lines of "[censored]? U r a defender? how can u b a def an hav no heelin u noob" I quit and prayed to all the pantheons known to humankind that the buffless team were subsequently mutilated by the trolls.
So, back OT: Sorry Dave, but I think it's no more, no less than it ever was: the game still carries the standard quota of rude and ignorant pinheads. They're like buses: you don't see any for ages and then when they do show up they come in groups.
As this applies to a few ATs I'm guessing it falls into General Discussion... If not, then please move it GR
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So I've had this a lot recently - people calling out for a buff when either:
a) They (and indeed the whole team in some cases) are hardly ever without the buff
or
b) I'm obviously working my way down the team list applying the buff
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c) If they weren't so bloody self-centred they'd realise that I'm currently mezzed and being killed by the rezzing tank that they ran off and left - i.e. I'm a little preoccupied/nowhere near them on the map
There have always been some people who do this - but I really have seen a lot in the past 3 or 4 weeks. Heck, on and off, I've been thinking about posting this for the past 10 days or so, and the situation hasn't improved whilst I've been mulling it over.
So:
* Is it just my perception, or is anyone else noticing more people demanding buffs like this?
* Why do people seem to think it's ok to tell a buffer that it's time for them to fire off power x?
I never say to a tank 'taunt enemy X plz'; to a scrapper 'shadow maul plz' nor to a blaster 'NOVA PLX!!' - so why the hell do other people think it's fine to demand SB/CM/fort/ID/O2/whatever - particularly when you're dishing it out as fast as it charges/expires.
* Why do the people who insist on doing this seem to believe that appending 'plz' (never the word 'please') to the demand for the buff/heal miraculously turns the demand into a polite (and fully acceptable) request?
* Why? Just Why?
By the way nothing moves someone further down a buff/heal list on my defenders/trollers than someone who keeps asking for the buff even though you're keeping them buffed...
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rant over.. you can come out of hiding - I'm off back to my corner.
Call me when you need SB - I know you will.
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