no brainer with cyborg pack?
By
Alvan,
Posted on: 2008-09-17 23:06 in CoH and CoV General Discussions
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Yes, the explosion power was, indeed, a no-brainer... i.e. it's a glorious roleplayer griefing tool which the developers have handed to every jackass who chooses to buy it. We can but hope the novelty wares off soon.
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If you're referring to the "Just a" characters, then had you got involved with the RP and joined the people defusing stuff, then you'd of seen that there were ways to stop of it.
Of course you could also sit there and moan about it OOC, after all wouldn't want to spoil that aspect of your game enjoyment.
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So, let me get this straight... you WANT to force me to do something I don't want to do? You think it's OKAY to force me to RP a scenario that I want no part of?
Wrong.
I have as much right to RP there as anyone else, but I also have a right to pick which RP situations I want to get involved in. What happened last night was at the very least god-moding (forcing characters to get involved in something they didn't want to, and a cardinal RP sin), and if it wasn't that, then it was griefing (actively trying to spoil the enjoyment of other people playing the game).
I'm not moaning for the sake of it, I'm asking that people give the same consideration for other RPers that I do, and not force them to break character or get involved in what was, quite frankly, and in my opinion only, a stupid and pointless 'plot' (I use the word loosely) designed for no better purpose than to show off the shiny new power.
The wisdom of Shadowe: Ghostraptor: The Shadowe is wise ...; FFM: Shadowe is no longer wise.
; Techbot_Alpha: Also, what Shadowe said. It seems he is still somewhat wise 
; Bull Throttle: Shadowe was unwise in this instance...; Rock_Powerfist: in this instance Shadowe is wise.; Techbot_Alpha: Shadowe is very wise *nods*; Zortel: *Quotable line about Shadowe being wise goes here.*
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Yes, the explosion power was, indeed, a no-brainer... i.e. it's a glorious roleplayer griefing tool which the developers have handed to every jackass who chooses to buy it. We can but hope the novelty wares off soon.
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Not at all, MaX. But RPers don't drop their nukes five times a night after they get them at L32/38. Yet it happened last night, for some reason.
If someone did drop their nuke five times in a single night, we'd be slating them, too.
The wisdom of Shadowe: Ghostraptor: The Shadowe is wise ...; FFM: Shadowe is no longer wise.
; Techbot_Alpha: Also, what Shadowe said. It seems he is still somewhat wise ; Bull Throttle: Shadowe was unwise in this instance...; Rock_Powerfist: in this instance Shadowe is wise.; Techbot_Alpha: Shadowe is very wise *nods*; Zortel: *Quotable line about Shadowe being wise goes here.*
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So, let me get this straight... you WANT to force me to do something I don't want to do? You think it's OKAY to force me to RP a scenario that I want no part of?
Wrong.
I have as much right to RP there as anyone else, but I also have a right to pick which RP situations I want to get involved in. What happened last night was at the very least god-moding (forcing characters to get involved in something they didn't want to, and a cardinal RP sin), and if it wasn't that, then it was griefing (actively trying to spoil the enjoyment of other people playing the game).
I'm not moaning for the sake of it, I'm asking that people give the same consideration for other RPers that I do, and not force them to break character or get involved in what was, quite frankly, and in my opinion only, a stupid and pointless 'plot' (I use the word loosely) designed for no better purpose than to show off the shiny new power.
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1. The bombs were none lethal. That is a given due to game play constrains and more importantly, character motivation.
2. Had no one of reacted to them, then nothing would of happened, but since people did react the short plot begins.
3. I ain't saying you have to join in, but what I am saying is if you ain't joining in, don't get your panties in a knot and [censored] about it.
That's all I have to say on the matter.
Brawling Cactus from a distant planet.
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Yes, the explosion power was, indeed, a no-brainer... i.e. it's a glorious roleplayer griefing tool which the developers have handed to every jackass who chooses to buy it. We can but hope the novelty wares off soon.
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Not at all, MaX. But RPers don't drop their nukes five times a night after they get them at L32/38. Yet it happened last night, for some reason.
If someone did drop their nuke five times in a single night, we'd be slating them, too.
[/ QUOTE ]Well, since people don't do it with nukes, doesn't it seem likely that people won't do it with the self-destruct power either, once it's no longer the New And Cool thing.
Cant say i understand RP all that much surely playing the game is RP and surly the self destruct is a great RP tool for all those who want to sacrifice themselves for there team/friends/group etc
Anoying as it sounds once the novelty has worn of the griefer will dissapear. In the meanwhile I advice you to go to a place less public or even restricted (like an sg base).
I doubt that petitioning will help. Better to global ignore the player. He will find it hard to team with anybody in the future if he keeps anoying people.
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1. The bombs were none lethal. That is a given due to game play constrains and more importantly, character motivation.
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There was no character motivation. There was player motivation to show off a new and shiny power, and it could have just as easily been done elsewhere.
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2. Had no one of reacted to them, then nothing would of happened, but since people did react the short plot begins.
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People tend to get involved, because they think there's something they can do. You proved that wrong, and it stopped being a plot and became a railroad.
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3. I ain't saying you have to join in, but what I am saying is if you ain't joining in, don't get your panties in a knot and [censored] about it.
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Actually, yes, you are. And therin lies the problem. You're saying "Either join in, or break character by ignoring something happening". Because to ignore it, I had to break character. But I didn't want to get involved. Perhaps, once you'd gathered your little group of people who wanted to be railroaded, you could have moved, politely, a short distance away so as not to disturb those of us who weren't interested, like we asked you to, politely, but you ignored and decided to force your railroad on us. So we moved.
The wisdom of Shadowe: Ghostraptor: The Shadowe is wise ...; FFM: Shadowe is no longer wise.
; Techbot_Alpha: Also, what Shadowe said. It seems he is still somewhat wise ; Bull Throttle: Shadowe was unwise in this instance...; Rock_Powerfist: in this instance Shadowe is wise.; Techbot_Alpha: Shadowe is very wise *nods*; Zortel: *Quotable line about Shadowe being wise goes here.*
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Actually, yes, you are. And therin lies the problem. You're saying "Either join in, or break character by ignoring something happening". Because to ignore it, I had to break character. But I didn't want to get involved. Perhaps, once you'd gathered your little group of people who wanted to be railroaded, you could have moved, politely, a short distance away so as not to disturb those of us who weren't interested, like we asked you to, politely, but you ignored and decided to force your railroad on us. So we moved.
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So basically everyone needs to check with you and whether you, feel like acting in character or not?
If you decide you don't want to get involved, then the decision is all up to you, like every time you ignore a Rikti raid happening in another zone, exact same situation in fact.
Realistically most 'hero' characters, should IC go to fight of the Rikti, even if they don't participate in the actual Game play fight.
But ah excuse me I didn't know one of your powers, was a fun negating zone, where only events that have been double checked with you can happen in a certain radius.
Brawling Cactus from a distant planet.
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Cant say i understand RP all that much surely playing the game is RP and surly the self destruct is a great RP tool for all those who want to sacrifice themselves for there team/friends/group etc
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Computer games companies define 'roleplaying' as playing a computer roleplaying game, yes. However, that's a circular argument.
Whatever, the roleplaying we are talking about is actually acting in character, talking to other people as if you were your character, perhaps even pretending that your character has a life where they don't where a stupid costume and get shot at.
Under those circumstances, some pillock coming up and exploding next to them for no good/contrived reason is called 'annoying', not 'a great RP tool.' (Though the people doing certainly are great RP tools themselves. 
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Disclaimer: The above may be humerous, or at least may be an attempt at humour. Try reading it that way.
Posts are OOC unless noted to be IC, or in an IC thread.
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So basically everyone needs to check with you and whether you, feel like acting in character or not?
If you decide you don't want to get involved, then the decision is all up to you, like every time you ignore a Rikti raid happening in another zone, exact same situation in fact.
Realistically most 'hero' characters, should IC go to fight of the Rikti, even if they don't participate in the actual Game play fight.
But ah excuse me I didn't know one of your powers, was a fun negating zone, where only events that have been double checked with you can happen in a certain radius.
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This is an old argument that's NEVER going to settled, but comes down to one thing. Manners.
Contrary to what you might think, some people at the statue MIGHT just have their own things they want to do that night. When someone comes along and does something which, if people want to stay in character, they CANNOT ignore, then you are forcing YOUR fun on THEM. This is also known as god-modding and is widely considered to be just about the rudest thing you can do to another RPer.
No one is saying you can't do that, but the polite thing to do is to NOT do it right in the middle of a crowded area, and disrupt what other people want to do.
Now, no doubt you'll say that they should just move, but really, why should they? In all likelyhood, they were already at the statue, so it should be the ones with the "plot" who move.
Would you like it if the tables were reversed and someone ruined your plans for the evening? It's easy enough to counter your bag thing, but we choose not too as, once again, it's rude to do so. Is it REALLY so hard to treat others with equal respect?
@FloatingFatMan
Do not go gentle into that good night.
Rage, rage against the dying of the light.
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So basically everyone needs to check with you and whether you, feel like acting in character or not?
If you decide you don't want to get involved, then the decision is all up to you, like every time you ignore a Rikti raid happening in another zone, exact same situation in fact.
Realistically most 'hero' characters, should IC go to fight of the Rikti, even if they don't participate in the actual Game play fight.
But ah excuse me I didn't know one of your powers, was a fun negating zone, where only events that have been double checked with you can happen in a certain radius.
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This is an old argument that's NEVER going to settled, but comes down to one thing. Manners.
Contrary to what you might think, some people at the statue MIGHT just have their own things they want to do that night. When someone comes along and does something which, if people want to stay in character, they CANNOT ignore, then you are forcing YOUR fun on THEM. This is also known as god-modding and is widely considered to be just about the rudest thing you can do to another RPer.
No one is saying you can't do that, but the polite thing to do is to NOT do it right in the middle of a crowded area, and disrupt what other people want to do.
Now, no doubt you'll say that they should just move, but really, why should they? In all likelyhood, they were already at the statue, so it should be the ones with the "plot" who move.
Would you like it if the tables were reversed and someone ruined your plans for the evening? It's easy enough to counter your bag thing, but we choose not too as, once again, it's rude to do so. Is it REALLY so hard to treat others with equal respect?
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Had I been asked to move I would of done so, after all RP wise I was playing an inanimate object, all it would of taken was a tell or two to have the objects moved away from the 'citizens'. However instead we have a situation where one group decides that rather than communicating to the other group, they'll just [censored] about it on the boards.
Globals might of helped but I tend not to read GGOOC when RPing, as the current massive rants about everything from capacitor advancements in microchips to transhumanism and the effect on the NHS, get distracting to say the least.
Brawling Cactus from a distant planet.
What is "the plot" ?
Shadowe says you WERE asked to move, yet you didn't.
@FloatingFatMan
Do not go gentle into that good night.
Rage, rage against the dying of the light.
I asked. Zortel asked. I think Veskit did, but I'm not entirely sure. We asked in local using OOC tags.
We were ignored.
So saying that we're just going off about it on the boards is a load of poppycock, because at the time you REFUSED to do anything about it, even when directly asked, politely. That's bad manners.
The wisdom of Shadowe: Ghostraptor: The Shadowe is wise ...; FFM: Shadowe is no longer wise.
; Techbot_Alpha: Also, what Shadowe said. It seems he is still somewhat wise ; Bull Throttle: Shadowe was unwise in this instance...; Rock_Powerfist: in this instance Shadowe is wise.; Techbot_Alpha: Shadowe is very wise *nods*; Zortel: *Quotable line about Shadowe being wise goes here.*
Might I take this opportunity to advertise the wonder that is Defiant. I wasnt on last night, but I dont think there will have been any griefers around GG.
Defiant Like the Culture part of the forums, its where the fun really happens.
It staggers me that any of you are SURPRISED at the actions being described here. The game is full of rude idiots who's personal brand of "humour" is to infuriate the the hell out of as many people as they can in as short a possible time. Surely it's a "no brainer" that a power like the self destruct one is going to be music to the ears of these kinds of people.
As annoying as it is, it ain't going to stop any time soon. So just grit your teeth, petition if necessary, and wait for the novelty to wear off.
As I've said before, CoH is a great game. It's just that a small (but seemingly and rather worringly increasing) part of the player base make it a place I'm wanting to be less and less.
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Shadowe says you WERE asked to move, yet you didn't.
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Then Shadowe is incorrect, I was never asked to move, in fact I just checked my chat logs for every single tell I received that day, also looked over GGOOC and can't see a message there.
On a side note anyone know a chat parser? It's bloody tough on the eyes reading it in a text document.
Brawling Cactus from a distant planet.
Try reading local. You know, the channel where all the RP takes place. Where we asked you to either stop spamming Self-desrtuct, or move away.
Zortel and Veskit aren't on GGOOC, so they wouldn't have said anything there.
The wisdom of Shadowe: Ghostraptor: The Shadowe is wise ...; FFM: Shadowe is no longer wise.
; Techbot_Alpha: Also, what Shadowe said. It seems he is still somewhat wise ; Bull Throttle: Shadowe was unwise in this instance...; Rock_Powerfist: in this instance Shadowe is wise.; Techbot_Alpha: Shadowe is very wise *nods*; Zortel: *Quotable line about Shadowe being wise goes here.*
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I asked. Zortel asked. I think Veskit did, but I'm not entirely sure. We asked in local using OOC tags.
We were ignored.
So saying that we're just going off about it on the boards is a load of poppycock, because at the time you REFUSED to do anything about it, even when directly asked, politely. That's bad manners.
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A tell would of been politer and more importantly, something that doesn't rely on range for me to pick up.
I just went through the damn chat log again and I get this
09-17-2008 21:33:56 [Local] Shadowe: <color #ababad><bgcolor #010101>((Okies))
I also get a
09-17-2008 21:33:29 [Local] Erica the Butler: <color #0101ff><bgcolor #5ca3ff>((What Z said))
From pointy.
Now if some could tell me what Z's name was I might be able to see if it was a message even picked up by my chat, 'cus between those are a lot of global talk.
Brawling Cactus from a distant planet.
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Try reading local. You know, the channel where all the RP takes place. Where we asked you to either stop spamming Self-desrtuct, or move away.
Zortel and Veskit aren't on GGOOC, so they wouldn't have said anything there.
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Ah you mean that ridiculously fast scrolling chat, that is hard to keep a conversation going with a single other person, assuming more than two conversations are going on in the area?
Let along keep up with out of character stuff, from some one else's conversation.
A /tell would of been politer, and actually noticed.
Brawling Cactus from a distant planet.
Zortel, as you'd know if you read Shadowe's post. If they were in range of you to hear your chat, you were in range of them.
@FloatingFatMan
Do not go gentle into that good night.
Rage, rage against the dying of the light.
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Zortel, as you'd know if you read Shadowe's post. If they were in range of you to hear your chat, you were in range of them.
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Other than popping up on the GGOOC, message of the day, Zortel doesn't show up in chat log at all, hence me asking what char she was on.
Brawling Cactus from a distant planet.
Ah, I've just been told she was on a char called Dinah Ewers.
@FloatingFatMan
Do not go gentle into that good night.
Rage, rage against the dying of the light.
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Right click on them and add note.
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That way you can even give them a little back story too