Yet another well thought out thread - Forum
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Aubergine_Man,
Posted on: 2008-09-09 14:40 in Suggestions and Ideas
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I'm a forum lurker
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Then you are an enemy of all that good and pure in the world.
@Golden Girl
City of Heroes comics and artwork
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I'm a forum lurker
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Then you are an enemy of all that good and pure in the world.
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Oh noes! I have been found out!
@ShadowGhost & @Ghostie
The Grav Mistress, Mistress of Gravity
If you have nothing useful to say, you have two choices: Say something useless or stay quiet.
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Im not sure how many of the people reading this, but PERSONALLY I am growing increasingly frustrated with people posting in threads who spend more time lurking in the forum then they do in game.
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So, so, so, so, so... we're not allowed to post in the Forums with our own free will? We have to play the game a lot in order to post in the Forums? Well f*** me! Why didn't anyone tell me this?
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*looks at watch* blast! I've spent entirely too much time not playing the game, must be off, got a game time quota to fill before I can come back, you understand. pip pip, tally ho, what what.
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I think I'm due for a ban. I've not logged into the game for days and I've been posting here instead. Damn. 
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What gets me is that people like myself would be punished for a system like this, for doing nothing wrong,
I login rarely because I work long shifts, walk in the house, check the forums, get my tea, bath and then bed.
Why should I be punished for not having the energy to play the game even if I'm paying my subs?
Nice to see so many people missing a point of a topic all at once.
Never mind.
GhostRaptor (or other mod) - Please lock this thread. I think it's been done to death now.
If you think everyone has missed the point of the thread, then why don't you explain it in a more clear manner?
Or is it just that you're annoyed because, once again, nobody else has agreed with you?
Oh, and very much /unsigned to everything in the OP. Not one bit of it made the slightest bit of sense. And that seems to be the opinion of pretty much everyone else who posted here.
@FloatingFatMan
Do not go gentle into that good night.
Rage, rage against the dying of the light.
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If you think everyone has missed the point of the thread, then why don't you explain it in a more clear manner?
Or is it just that you're annoyed because, once again, nobody else has agreed with you?
Oh, and very much /unsigned to everything in the OP. Not one bit of it made the slightest bit of sense. And that seems to be the opinion of pretty much everyone else who posted here barring you and Tuarus.
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"Cough " I havent endorsed any thing in this thread. I have just commented on why I have been joined at the hip with Jade? Please change your comment FFM.
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"Cough " I havent endorsed any thing in this thread. I have just commented on why I have been joined at the hip with Jade? Please change your comment FFM.
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Fair enough. I thought I saw a post of yours in here, guess I mistook it for the other thread. Edited as requested. You might want to edit your quoting.
@FloatingFatMan
Do not go gentle into that good night.
Rage, rage against the dying of the light.
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I think yours should be reset to zero and your Forum Title returned to Citizen.
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She'd be back in the Cartel inside a week... 
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Why this hang-up about post counts? 
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GG Will u stop this incesent +1 posting... Look this is getting beyond a joke again, please remember what happened last time u kept ding this, everyone turned on u.... I have been noting modifyers of all of your +1 spam/trolling counts over the last 24-36hrs and im around 24-5 that have been derailing the topic onto completely inane subjects and have just been pointless
Some of the comment u come out with at times are brilliant when its actually bout the subject in hand but mst of your 22.5k posts have been spam... I'll be watching u over the next 36hrs and into the future and be taking it up with GR if i feeling your just trolling for the sake of trolling.
Is not going to remain VIP after Jan 14th 2012, but may remain an active Premium account holder.
See some of you guys/gals in other/new MMOs Soon(tm)
N.B. If you are going to do smt, please do it or GTFO and STFU nab
RE: Spending 4+ hours in game to post.
That's... ah, uh, little draconian don't you think? And what with that and pre-moderating posts for the public access boards kind of against what I consider to be the principle of 'open'.
Even when I'm in game, I'm either chatting to friends, or roleplaying, and once in a while I'll go missioning or something or join a team, or even organize something myself. I also run an entirely seperate computer to browse the forums on, chat to friends, or bring up Mids Hero Planner or Paragonwiki and Red Tomax's site.
Anyway, slight digression there.
Regarding the closed open moderated public forum thing? I'd have to say no. That's not the answer anyone's looking for, and the people moderating it would have to come from somewhere, and would probably expect to be paid. Heck, I know I would if I had to read "i dont wnt 2 by dis game an p2p it, how can i play 4 3?" and variations of as I've seen on some boards. Then they'd need office space because 1: NCSoft don't do remote, at home working positions, and 2: They also don't do community moderators. Even if some people here might take the role upon themselves.
Plus then you'd have to get someone to draw up guidelines for what is and isn't allowed, because common sense isn't that common and moderator bias happens to the best of people.
Regarding the account limitations to posting, as has been mentioned before people with lapsed accounts can't post, just send Private messages, and including the above slightly rambling viewpoint on limitations, you also should consider this:
You'd need two technical forums for one thing. A public one and a private one. Imagine if someone buys the game, finds out they're having technical difficulties, and... well, can't post to the Technical Issues board because they haven't played the game for four hours, which... well, as you can see, that would descend into Catch 22.
As also mentioned, it punishes players who might not have the time to log in. Some people use the forums to co-ordinate teams and group missions to maximise their time in game. If they can't do that because they don't clock enough hours to post, then they have to either set up/use a 3rd party forum, or messengers. Which then precludes people seeing the post and saying "Hey, I'd like in, please!"
On derailing, it's the internet.
Serious. Any time you get a bunch of people together, conversation -will- meander and teeter, lurching about like a sailor who's had a few too many cups of grog. It happens on these forums, the American forums, heck, every single forum I've been to goes off topic and derails on a regular basis. No one can stop that. Well, okay, they -can-, but really, should they?
Descent into flame wars, well, that really depends on the definition of flame wars. The last good flame war I can recall was the one that involved a third party forum and a hidden mature section of the boards where people could cut lose with being politcally correct.
If we were to have a mature or adult board on the forums, peoples definitions of mature and adult tend to differ. What's considered appropriate for one person to talk about might offend another, so on and so forth. Plus, consider the flame bait.
Do I think that people could do with some self moderation? Yup. Heck, I'm not perfect, I know I could modulate my views and post content when I post. But it's the internet, and I love a good debate. That's why people clash heads so hard.
Though it is important to remember that disagreement is not a personal attack, and on the internet a lot is lost in the written language. I've had to double take on some of the stuff people have written to me because the meaning and sentiment isn't always clear in text.
/deposits 2 cents.
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RE: Spending 4+ hours in game to post.
That's... ah, uh, little draconian don't you think? And what with that and pre-moderating posts for the public access boards kind of against what I consider to be the principle of 'open'.
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An excellent post - my thanks.
I thought about the 4 hour rule because IMHO I find (or it appears) that some people spend more time in the forum then in the game, and they come across as thinking they know everyline of code in the game backwards. To make matters worse these same people do not come across in a friendly manner - they appear almost aggressive.
It appears may people got the wrong idea about my use of the term "open". It was meant to refer to a board where one did not have to be a member to post threads. Because this would entail risk to the content, I believed that all posts in that non-members forum would need approval before being displayed. I wasn't suggesting the whole forum becomes approval based (apologies if i've misunderstood anyone).
You do make some excellent points in our post, so again thanks.
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I thought about the 4 hour rule because IMHO I find (or it appears) that some people spend more time in the forum then in the game, and they come across as thinking they know everyline of code in the game backwards.
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You ever considered that some of those people (such as me), are actually posting when they're at work, and CAN'T play the game? If you ever look at my posting pattern, you'll notice the vast majority of my posts are during the weekday daytime...
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To make matters worse these same people do not come across in a friendly manner - they appear almost aggressive.
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You seem to be about the only one thinking that people are being aggressive. Sure, flame wars happen, it's human nature to disagree; but if you think people on HERE are being aggressive, don't EVER go reading the WoW forums!
@FloatingFatMan
Do not go gentle into that good night.
Rage, rage against the dying of the light.
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You ever considered that some of those people (such as me), are actually posting when they're at work, and CAN'T play the game? If you ever look at my posting pattern, you'll notice the vast majority of my posts are during the weekday daytime...
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I have. And as it happens I'm one of those people too.
Sorry to be the one to have to tell you this, but not everything in the game is about you / or a Nem plot. I think you'll find that no names were mentioned. I did not mean to insinuate that my comments referred to anyone person. Apologies if I wasn't clear.
No, I took your comments as general. I merely used myself as an example as someone who posts more than he's in game. When I *am* in game (the evenings), I don't post that much!
@FloatingFatMan
Do not go gentle into that good night.
Rage, rage against the dying of the light.
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No, I took your comments as general. I merely used myself as an example as someone who posts more than he's in game. When I *am* in game (the evenings), I don't post that much!
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Fair enough.
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It appears may people got the wrong idea about my use of the term "open". It was meant to refer to a board where one did not have to be a member to post threads. Because this would entail risk to the content, I believed that all posts in that non-members forum would need approval before being displayed. I wasn't suggesting the whole forum becomes approval based (apologies if i've misunderstood anyone).
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I understood that last part, I was refering to the public sector of the board (As in, that which people who can post to without a game account) and the private one (those hidden and accessable only by paid users.) when I was making my post. It may have been a little vague on my count, but I hadn't had breakfast yet.
Some forum software can operate a 'guest' section that allows non members to post. Frequently you get porn links and advertising in there though. I can't recall any forum software that screens comments for moderator posting, though I know it's possible with Wordpress blogs and various journal type software.
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I thought about the 4 hour rule because IMHO I find (or it appears) that some people spend more time in the forum then in the game, and they come across as thinking they know everyline of code in the game backwards. To make matters worse these same people do not come across in a friendly manner - they appear almost aggressive.
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Regarding the aggressive part, that's possibly an internet phenomena, where the cyclical nature of events reduces peoples tolerance for what's come up again and again.
Of course, there are some exceptions. Golden_Girl for example is always fairly friendly to new folk. Perhaps it's a ploy for the Defiant Tourist board to bribe people to the server, but friendlyness is still friendlyness, regardless of intent. (Now there's an interesting discussion.)
I know I spend much more time on the forums than I do in game, mostly because it's a way for me to contact my friends, I can read stuff about the game I do enjoy (Come on, January 2005 Beta and I'm still paying for a sub. That's more than my combined play time of WoW, Ragnarok Online, Final Fantasy XI and EVE.) and as FFM has mentioned, many people check and post from work.
Heck, back in college, I used to check the forums from my laptop during lessons. Something to fill in the time when I've done typing and other people are still writing.
Perhaps people do need an attitude check at times. I can get a little waspish or militant at times, and I usually curse myself for it later. I think though, like in all things, self moderation and consideration for others would be the best course of action. Together, we can end this destructive conflict!
I'll never join you!
If you only knew the power of the Dark Side!
There will not be a public accessible forum, and there will not be an "Adult" forum such as that suggested. These forums are provided for the community of players to discuss City of Heroes and closely related topics (Comics and such).
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Brown Nosers. Those people who seem to think theyll get xp for pointing out where people have broken the forum rules. Newsflash
thats the mods job, not yours!
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Actually, we actively encourage the community to report posts to us. While forum moderation is a part of our jobs, we aren't employed as forum moderators.
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A wise man once said "Nothing is perfect, everything could be improved".
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A wise man also said "if its not broken why fix it "
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"For there to be improvement, there must be change (how ever slight or big). But not every change is an improvement"
I'm a forum lurker, I read rather then post
I'm also someone who can access these forums from work, when I find the time to do something for myself. I'm also a bright guy, and have a fair understanding of the game. I know I don't know all the details.
It's quite likely that if I post something about the game, it's from my understanding of it. In my humble opinion, it's rather possible it's also the truth of the game mechanics
You don't need to log 2,000,000 in the game to understand it. In fact, the finer points and details are quicker to learn in other places, like these fora.
(for instance, I've never used Mids, but I'm sure I can use that to get a good build faster then the average player using just ingame information)
Instead of running from the discussion on how the game works, why not debate it with those whose view differs from yours, present examples, ask for examples?
@ShadowGhost & @Ghostie
The Grav Mistress, Mistress of Gravity
If you have nothing useful to say, you have two choices: Say something useless or stay quiet.