Just say No to nurfs (oh and buffs)
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Alphane,
Posted on: 2008-08-22 12:10 in CoH and CoV General Discussions
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Burn the deviant!
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Burn Defiant, you say? *lights matches* Where do I sign up? *burns fingers with lit matches* ouch.
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I don't think Mondays should be nerfed, they should be buffed! Clearly underperforming in the happiness stakes are Mondays. Only problem to balance the Monday buff, Fridays would need to be nerfed - so actually I'd rather keep Mondays as they are.
As for the OP, I think you're overplaying the extent of these tweaks that we're getting in all honesty; as has already been said, the actual noticeable effect of these adjustments is pretty negligable, and I think edges on the side of a buff. Certainly the axe and claws pause tweaks make the attack chains "flow" better, so that even if you're not doing more damage, it feels like you are because you have more fun doing so, if that makes any sense.
I also think that playing this game purely by numbers takes the soul and the fun out of it (for me at least)
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A couple of people who have replied to this thread have in some way reiterated what I (obviously vainly) was trying to say given that these Nerfs/Buffs really change the in game experience very little is it really worth all the time and effort it requires for such inconsequential changes. Not to mention the ill will created both between the devs and commiunity and the community itself with all it's tiresomely long 'nerf threads'
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tiresomely long 'nerf threads'
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Tiresomely long? Heh. You should've been here in '05, youngster, then you'd know what a cold winter ... I mean long nerf thread really is.
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"vent [my] spleens"
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You have spare spleens? 
Burn the deviant!
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Perhaps my spleen count could be nerfed?
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I have an overwhelming sense of deja vu from about a year ago now...
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Is that deja vu all over again?
Heh. I remember the cold, cold spring nerfthread of '06, when none of these young whippersnappers was even around... heh... that was a short but a nasty one...
Is it time for the dance of joy yet?
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Tiresomely long? Heh. You should've been here in '05, youngster, then you'd know what a cold winter ... I mean long nerf thread really is.
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Indeed. I've seen "To take Taunt or not to take Taunt" threads longer this...
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"vent [my] spleens"
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You have spare spleens?
Burn the deviant!
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Perhaps my spleen count could be nerfed?
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I have an overwhelming sense of deja vu from about a year ago now...
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Has my memory been fiddled with?
Lifts shirt and checks around...around...where the hell are spleens meant to be, anyway? In any case, checked everywhere, and no sign of year-old spleen removal scars. 
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Lifts shirt and checks around...around...where the hell are spleens meant to be, anyway? In any case, checked everywhere, and no sign of year-old spleen removal scars.
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Nerf... Whatever it is you are doing.
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Burn the deviant!
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Burn Defiant, you say? *lights matches* Where do I sign up? *burns fingers with lit matches* ouch.
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Defiant if fire retardant - Union is just retar...nah - too easy 
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err you seem to all gone from seeing red to a state of giddy stupidness. Should I just accept this thread as a total faceplant and accept noone really has a clue what ~I'm opn about?
I have a clue what you're on about, I just totally disagree.
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I have a clue what you're on about, I just totally disagree.
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I disagree with your disagreeing, but also with what you're disagreeing to.
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"vent [my] spleens"
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You have spare spleens?
Burn the deviant!
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Perhaps my spleen count could be nerfed?
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I have an overwhelming sense of deja vu from about a year ago now...
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Has my memory been fiddled with?
Lifts shirt and checks around...around...where the hell are spleens meant to be, anyway? In any case, checked everywhere, and no sign of year-old spleen removal scars.
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how can people not know where their spleen is? 
it's under the diaphragm on the left side of the abdominal cavity.
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err you seem to all gone from seeing red to a state of giddy stupidness. Should I just accept this thread as a total faceplant and accept noone really has a clue what ~I'm opn about?
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I(we?) get it, I(we?) just happen to think you're wrong.
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err you seem to all gone from seeing red to a state of giddy stupidness. Should I just accept this thread as a total faceplant and accept noone really has a clue what ~I'm opn about?
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We do know what you're on about. We just don't agree.
Faceplants; is this the new fad of personal "decoration".. "Yes Mr Tattoo / Piercer man I'd like a Dahlia on my mush please"
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Still find it hard to understand that you fail to acknowledge Khoraks 'Hope you have a Haemorrage' post as not being some form of abuse but fair do's one mans meat is another mans murder.
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Do you seriously think I would have a problem directly saying I hope you have a haemorrhage if that's what I meant?
Do not put words in my mouth. Beyond that, I'll put you on my ignore list as being too hopelessly insecure to deal with the sheer terror of the internet.
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Instead of nurfing, I say they upgrade. So instead of going "OH [censored] THEY NERFED TANKS", you'll notice nothing and everyone is happy
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Instead of nurfing, I say they upgrade. So instead of going "OH [censored] THEY NERFED TANKS", you'll notice nothing and everyone is happy
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Can't - game's easy enough without them bringing up every set to the level of "over performers".
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Still find it hard to understand that you fail to acknowledge Khoraks 'Hope you have a Haemorrage' post as not being some form of abuse but fair do's one mans meat is another mans murder.
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Do you seriously think I would have a problem directly saying I hope you have a haemorrhage if that's what I meant?
Do not put words in my mouth. Beyond that, I'll put you on my ignore list as being too hopelessly insecure to deal with the sheer terror of the internet.
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Golden Girl-Have a lie down
Icenii-or a cold shower
Khorak-or a nice haemorrage
Your words there for all to see!!!
In hopes your reaching for that ingnore button right now
Oh and as for your hopelessly insecure comment, funny how people choose to insult others with there own worst fears isn't it?
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It's not even good flamebait. 
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Oh I don't know - when I read the OP I had a sudden urge to set fire to my monitor.
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I think you've misunderstood the concept of flaming there Val surely you should have felt a sudden urge to set fire to me, leave the poor innocent monitors out of this, the phrase don't shoot the messenger springs to mind.
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I wasn't trying to flame you - I very rarely flame individuals personally as I see no need for it unless they're being utterly moronic (and you weren't) - but I was probably flaming the gist of your original post.
Why? Because, after 10 years playing MMOs (not non-stop, I hasten to add!), recurring posts like this have started to inflict upon me a nauseatingly strong sense of deja vu. Now I know you're new to MMOs (as you said it in another post), and thus probably undeserving of any criticism for repetition, but honestly this has all been said before a million times by players in dozens (if not hundreds) of games who just had one of their favourite powers/classes nerfed.
I understand the complaint, I just fail to see the point in making it again and/or any motive attached to reviving this dead horse just to beat it again. I'd be interested to know what responses you were expecting - a Dev response (unlikely here), the agreement/praise of a forum united in your cause, or what actually happened? Because the latter was probably somewhat obvious to most forumites, hence them labelling you as a flamebaiter (deservedly or not).
My comment was actually trying to inject a little bit of humour (albeit very little) just to take the edge off the way the thread was going - I don't like it when mass insults and mob-handedness veer too closely to bullying. In retrospect I should probably have avoided posting here, like I usually do in highly combative topics where neither side is going to agree or make much progress.
On this topic I'll just continue to fencesit, because it's not like anything we say or do is going to change the Devs' minds on nerfing/buffing powers, not when compared to the more vocal US subscribers who not only outnumber us but have direct Dev attention.
Well Val as you seem to be the only one who has returned somesort of well thought out reply to my precept, If you will allow me let me express this in (some form of) mathmatics as it is a language that I feel comfortable with.
40% balance-Lots of players notice-Much Dev time required
30% balance-After a while you see it-Nuff Dev time required
20% balance-With some experience you notice-Dev time required
10% balance-Only veterans notice-Little Dev time needed
0% balance- Perfaection-But was it worth the sacrifices
10-4 come back yall
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40% balance-Lots of players notice-Much Dev time required
30% balance-After a while you see it-Nuff Dev time required
20% balance-With some experience you notice-Dev time required
10% balance-Only veterans notice-Little Dev time needed
0% balance- Perfaection-But was it worth the sacrifices
10-4 come back yall
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100% Balance - Everyone notices - All the Dev time - No-one happy because nothing else gets done?
Sorry, but I have a little trouble following the gist of your post.
You think that balance is good, worth the time and noticeable, yet don't want buffs or nerfs used to achieve this?
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"vent [my] spleens"
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You have spare spleens?
Burn the deviant!
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Perhaps my spleen count could be nerfed?
And Alphane, it does look like we have different ideas of how dramatic we should be in our phrasing - c'est la vie, as they say in 90s sitcoms.
But...as far as accusing people of abuse goes, do you know the story of the boy that "cried wolf"? And giving and taking abuse in equal measure might be fine in some situations; here it just gets the thread locked as soon as it catches GhostRaptor's beady eye.