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Brutes are what scrappers aim to be.
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But with so much more sophistication and style 
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If by sophistication and style you mean slow? Then yeah....I guess I see your point.
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Brutes are eeeeeeeeeeeevil
Scrappers ftw!
Besides there is nothing more satisfying than critting on a Tier 9 power with BU on it, pretty much one-shotting most stuff. Brutes can't do that...so ner ner 
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I retract this comment, Brutes are so much better than scrappers after playing one through the early levels 
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Admit it - some Brutes beat you up until you agreed to say this
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Erm...if I said no, would you think I'm lying?
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Brutes are what scrappers aim to be.
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But with so much more sophistication and style
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If by sophistication and style you mean slow? Then yeah....I guess I see your point.
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Brutes are eeeeeeeeeeeevil
Scrappers ftw!
Besides there is nothing more satisfying than critting on a Tier 9 power with BU on it, pretty much one-shotting most stuff. Brutes can't do that...so ner ner
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I retract this comment, Brutes are so much better than scrappers after playing one through the early levels
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Admit it - some Brutes beat you up until you agreed to say this
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Erm...if I said no, would you think I'm lying?
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Yes - because there's probably a big Brute standing right behind you with his fists raised
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Brutes are what scrappers aim to be.
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But with so much more sophistication and style
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If by sophistication and style you mean slow? Then yeah....I guess I see your point.
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Brutes are eeeeeeeeeeeevil
Scrappers ftw!
Besides there is nothing more satisfying than critting on a Tier 9 power with BU on it, pretty much one-shotting most stuff. Brutes can't do that...so ner ner
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I retract this comment, Brutes are so much better than scrappers after playing one through the early levels
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Admit it - some Brutes beat you up until you agreed to say this
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Erm...if I said no, would you think I'm lying?
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Yes - because there's probably a big Brute standing right behind you with his fists raised
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1. No.
2. Now you've made me paranoid
ok whilst i never mentioned herding I do see that yes a brute will gain its fury by just using its attacks. So yes as long as its able to get and keep full fury, which tbh on this team could still be hard as it should be steam rollering stuff, id prolly take the broot.
Better still ditch the tank and take brute and scrapper especially if both are AoE centric, Infact the anwser to the question prolly should of been are either of them AoE?
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Well at 50, I can almost two shot a +1/2 mob on my Brute when I've got everything rolling nicely, which really only takes a mob or two, and she'll become far more effective when I get round to getting some IO's in there.
My Scrapper, however, is lucky to two shot a +2 Minion without a Crit, I'd need some more +Dam from IO Bonus' for that.
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You need to redo your enhancements. Crow could two-shot a +2 minion, but usually doesn't because I use DA a lot which is low damage. That said, I reliably three-shot targets, and what you're saying is that you do the same.
Now, add in the fact that katana is not a high damage set. It has moderately fast, moderately damaging attacks. If I used broadsword, I'd be putting out more damage per individual attack, and then I'd be two-shotting targets.
You can't compare two classes based on an ability you don't have on one (but are close to) and don't have on another. You haven't considered the greater picture and the variations different powersets bring to the equation.
Another example: I slot my kat attacks with one +acc, 3 +dam, because kat has an inherent 5% accuracy boost, and I have Focussed Accuracy. My DM Scrapper is never going to have the same damage output because I slot 2 each +acc and +dam. He's never getting FA. That's okay, because he still gets the job done
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No. By Mob, I mean "a spawn of enemies" not "a singular enemy".
Edit: And I don't need to re-do my enhancement thanks, with 98% dam and 60% odd acc/end/rech with 40% global rech and Focused Acc my DPS is just fine. The only way to up my damage would be to slot for +Damage Bonus' or get Assault.
I think to be honest people are getting too hung up on the numbers here. Yes both are very good at their chosen field, with Brutes overall edging out in front because of more reliable high damage if they can maintain fury and slightly better defences, but I'd still rather play a scrapper in most situations purely because I enjoy them more.
You can prove anything wih facts and accurate figures, but I still prefer scrapping to bruting. So nyer
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That's pretty much what it comes down to. Some people just aren't going to like the Fury-building playstyle, no matter which AT is better in certain circumstances (and it's usually the brute ).
And like I said there are still powersets you can get on one and not the other so that will influence your choice too as to what to play (though hopefully proliferation will sort that out - I have a crazy idea for a Spines/Stone Brute )
Whilst Brutes are good, I prefer my Scrappers because they have more style. Not having to worry about about Fury I can do fun stuff like jumping on tables to Crane Kick those giant Council guys right in the head 
However, it turned out that Smith was not a time-travelling Terminator
Well, my 2 inf worth is this.
Original Sapphic Neko is a lvl 50 brute, dual blade and willpower.
As of DXP i now have Sapphic Neko on Defiant as a lvl 43 Scrapper, also dual blades and willpower. Using pretty much same build as naughty Neko (hmm new name i think 
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Scrapper feels alot more squishy than Brute, while base damage is higher on the scrapper, the brute surpasses it quickly with some fury. I did the ITF with brute and we have two kinetics who quite often capped my damage, it was a slaughter, the poor cimeroran traitors never knew what hit em, I was a blur of blades hacking, slashing and stabbing my way thru their ranks leaving a trail of bodies in my wake. A glorious sight to behold
But enough of that!
Scrapper vs Brute?
I have to say the brute feels both stronger, faster and tougher after i get to build up some momentum/fury.
Now i do realise i have better IOs on my brute, she has Sciroccos dervish sets in the aoe melee attacks instead of multistrikes which are on my scrapper. So that could skew my experience some. But still...
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^This.
I bought the game City of Heroes when it came out to play a Hero. Hence I'd even rather play an empath than any class in CoV (all they need to do is port en mele over..... But thats another debate entirely.
As for the damage thing, on my lvl50 BS/DA I've never found an issue with two shotting +2mins. Whirling sword then Dis or HS.
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No. By Mob, I mean "a spawn of enemies" not "a singular enemy".
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So, it's AoE and we need to talk Spines. I know the spines set like the back of someone I never met's hand...
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Edit: And I don't need to re-do my enhancement thanks, with 98% dam and 60% odd acc/end/rech with 40% global rech and Focused Acc my DPS is just fine. The only way to up my damage would be to slot for +Damage Bonus' or get Assault.
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Thanks for the information. Now, which sets are you comparing? Is damage really your only basis for comparison?
I do just prefer Scrappers. I tried a Brute at some point and just found it a bit weedy. It's kind of odd, really, since I play my main Scrappers the way you'd need to play a Brute. Hey ho.
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Slightly off-topic but still rather close to the existing line of discussion:
Exactly the same situation as before, but what if: you now have Scrapper and a Stalker in front of you, which one will you go for?
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For example, you are in a team of 7 ready to start a LGTF or an ITF. The team is very balanced: you have a tank, ranged, control and supports. What is missing is a melee AT. What would you go for: a scrapper or a brute?
Assuming all of you are the same level.
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Slightly off-topic but still rather close to the existing line of discussion:
Exactly the same situation as before, but what if: you now have Scrapper and a Stalker in front of you, which one will you go for?
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For example, you are in a team of 7 ready to start a LGTF or an ITF. The team is very balanced: you have a tank, ranged, control and supports. What is missing is a melee AT. What would you go for: a scrapper or a brute?
Assuming all of you are the same level.
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I have mixed feelings about this, and my reasons are:
1. Scrappers have higher HP than stalkers, therefore last longer in a 'scrap'
2. Scrappers can crit on a regular basis (not having to wait until hidden or the target is held/mezzed)
3.Stalkers however, have the ability to debuff enemies (Ninjutsu -Acc for example) and this can be used to team benefit.
4. I also know that some stalkers can scrap better than a scrapper (particulary EM/Regen) so it can be set dependant
5.If played in a team enviroment (especially on a LGTF or ITF where there is a higher chance of getting a troller or a dom in the team) the stalker might have a higher DPS due to the amount of crits he/she can pull off *IF* the enemy is mezzed.
Again, mixed feelings, and it for me, would partially be on what the team consisted of. Generally i'm not fussed with who/what AT i play with, but i've not met anyone to date who wants to fail a TF, wether it be for fun or not.
Back on topic though, scrappers and brutes are similar in so many ways, but there are certain things that a brute for example is better at than a scrapper (like tanking, due to higher HP etc), where a scrapper imo is better for killing single targets faster due to their ability to crit. From what I've read all evidence is very circumstantial to certain situations, at the end of the day, it all boils down to what it is being used for.
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2. Scrappers can crit on a regular basis (not having to wait until hidden or the target is held/mezzed)
5.If played in a team enviroment (especially on a LGTF or ITF where there is a higher chance of getting a troller or a dom in the team) the stalker might have a higher DPS due to the amount of crits he/she can pull off *IF* the enemy is mezzed.
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2. Scrappers can crit on a regular basis (not having to wait until hidden or the target is held/mezzed)
5.If played in a team enviroment (especially on a LGTF or ITF where there is a higher chance of getting a troller or a dom in the team) the stalker might have a higher DPS due to the amount of crits he/she can pull off *IF* the enemy is mezzed.
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Shhhh! I've not played my stalker in a while lol
on and to add to that list:
6. AS has the demoralizing effect against a target that it doesnt kill out-right and surrounding mobs to that target.
Even better when Masterminds are around!
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5.If played in a team enviroment (especially on a LGTF or ITF where there is a higher chance of getting a troller or a dom in the team) the stalker might have a higher DPS due to the amount of crits he/she can pull off *IF* the enemy is mezzed.
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Scrappers get a 10% crit probability on LTs and above, 5% on minions and below. 31% crit probability seems a bit OP for Stalkers, but then most of them fall over in a strong breeze, so I guess it's swings and roundabouts.
Seriously, looking at what they've done to Assassination, I'd say they finally realised how broken Stalkers were in PvE and started listening to the Stalkers instead of the people being ganked in Bloody Bay. Might take my Stalkers out for a spin and see how they go now.
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Stalkers hardly fall over in a breeze, especially since the HP boost.
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