Most underdeveloped enemy group?
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Posted on: 2008-07-15 14:12 in CoH and CoV General Discussions
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(are there any Hero only groups that don't appear in villains?)
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Igneous?
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Igneous?
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Right - time for a few missions with them in them then.... I want my mission creator 
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Igneous?
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Right - time for a few missions with them in them then.... I want my mission creator
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I've said before that they need a bit more action, it's almost as if they were thrown into a few hollows missions and the the gulch just so that *spoilers* they could be used in the Cavern of Transcendance without popping out of nowhere.
I had hoped when the hollows revamp was announced that they'd get a bit more love, but instead we've ended up with a hollows-lite using the feature that no two spawns should use the same foe group. If you get the feeling that I'm not the revamped hollows biggest fan then you're obviously quite observant. 
Yup. Bring on the mission creator.
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Again, I say unto you, Coralax!
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I hardly even know what they look like - saw someone with a Halloween outfit that was a Coralax, but getting the the Gladiator badge was weird - they were just ripples in the water, and were defeated before they could even show themselves
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Again, I say unto you, Coralax!
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I hardly even know what they look like - saw someone with a Halloween outfit that was a Coralax, but getting the the Gladiator badge was weird - they were just ripples in the water, and were defeated before they could even show themselves
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They look awesome, thats all you need to know. Living coral!!
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The ones in the Hollows must wish they'd never left their reefs 
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The ones in the Hollows must wish they'd never left their reefs
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They are a travesty to have in that zone and a cheap way for heroes to obtain another badge.
Aside from that, they look great
But if they're water creatures, mightn't they want to investigate a large area of water like Red River?
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(are there any Hero only groups that don't appear in villains?)
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Infected, Shadow Freaks - more a merger of two groups really, Prisoners - those in the zig belong to their various factions, Cabal, Axis America, Empire Earth, Croatoa Ghosts, Fir Bolg - I'm sure I've missed a few
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Red Caps appear villain side during events. But not normally.
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ripples in the water, and were defeated before they could even show themselves
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They look awesome, thats all you need to know. Living coral!!
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Your mission is to restock your salt-water aquarium...
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Red Caps appear villain side during events. But not normally.
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They stay available after the event has ended once you unlock DJ Zero
TDD are also event based but they are only available during it
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I think Coralax and Shivans getting more presence on both sides of the game is pretty much a given.
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(are there any Hero only groups that don't appear in villains?)
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Infected, Shadow Freaks - more a merger of two groups really, Prisoners - those in the zig belong to their various factions, Cabal, Axis America, Empire Earth, Croatoa Ghosts, Fir Bolg - I'm sure I've missed a few
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Aside from all the Croatoa factions, I think the only ones are Minions of Igneous, Prisoners, and Council Empire, Crazed & Werewolves (the last 3 only from Portal Corp stuff in PI iirc). Even Lanaruu get one mission redside, though certain big CoH factions like Outcasts, Trolls and Warriors only really pop up in CoV's newsies. Tbh there are tons more CoV-only factions than CoH-only ones.
I think Shadow Freaks are still part of the Freakshow faction. And I think you have Mercy's <Infected> confused with Outbreak's <Contaminated> (easy to do, admittedly), but seeing as 1 of the latter spawns in RV, and some of the former are apparently spawning in Atlas/Galaxy now, they're moot anyway as neither are wholly exclusive to one side.
Oh and Axis America (Reichsman's Empire) were removed from the game when the 5th Column originally were, and haven't returned - all of the Axis America missions became Council Empire missions I believe. But it is certainly odd that base worktables have a listing for Axis America salvage.
Yes you're right I had the Infected and Contaminated reversed and was forgetting about the one in RV.
Lanaru - I can only recall seeing redside. - Ah no was forgetting about Storm Palace
tbh I couldn't remember if Shadow Freaks were their own or part of Void Hunters faction - I don't believe they came under freakshow but may be wrong.
I also realised after posting it Eohai spawns redside during the last two Hallowe'en events so maybe we should remove Fir Bolg from it as well - so did Werewolves ftm.
Outcasts are a story arc rather than a newspaper.
I was sure I had run across Axis America in one of the alternate universes but its the best part of 3 years since I did much of those mishes. 5th column had already disappeared.
Forgot about Hydra as well
There used to be a lot more enemy groups which were CoV specific but most have now made it blueside in zones It would be nice to see the reverse happening
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tbh I couldn't remember if Shadow Freaks were their own or part of Void Hunters faction - I don't believe they came under freakshow but may be wrong.
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Anything is possible.
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I also realised after posting it Eohai spawns redside during the last two Hallowe'en events so maybe we should remove Fir Bolg from it as well
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As did Jack-in-Irons.
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- so did Werewolves ftm.
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If we were talking purely about the in-game model being re-used then that cuts things down even more - I mean those Werewolves' faction models are also used by all Warwolves (for Council & 5th Column, and their alternate universe equivalents), as well as the Halloween faction - which was a different faction, because remember they also had Vampyri as actual Vampires, Cabal too, and BP Zombies. But we're not - we're talking about the actual factions as based in lore.
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Outcasts are a story arc rather than a newspaper.
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On redside? Where? I don't recall Outcasts appearing in any missions whatsoever on redside except rarely in newspaper missions in Oakes/CaD (same as Trolls for that matter, and Warriors in Nerva). In fact, if we're arguing for actual arcs then the only Outcast-centred arc on blueside is the Frostfire one in The Hollows (and it's a "red book" mini-arc, not "yellow book" full story arc status).
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I was sure I had run across Axis America in one of the alternate universes but its the best part of 3 years since I did much of those mishes. 5th column had already disappeared.
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I've done all the Portal Corp stuff relatively recently (in the last 6 months) and only ran into Council Empire - no Axis America. Pwiki seems to agree.
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Forgot about Hydra as well
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Well, there's a Hydra mission redside (no arcs though) - Naylor has one - I did it last week.
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There used to be a lot more enemy groups which were CoV specific but most have now made it blueside in zones
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Coralax have, and ... errr... well there's Legacy Chain as allies I guess... errr... what were "most" of the others you were thinking of?
Just off the top of my head I can think of tons of CoV-only factions that don't appear anywhere in CoH: Goldbrickers, Snakes, Luddites, Spetsnaz, Mooks, Wyvern, Wailers, RIP, Slag Golems, Spectral Pirates, Cage Consortium Guards, Scrapyarders, Dockworkers, Cap au D demons (gremlins), and I've probably missed loads.
Spectral Pirates appear in Bloody Bay
Spetznaz are extremely rare either side and are the one I believe probably best fits the OPs questions - that is if you don't consider them to be Malta faction. Don't they appear rarely on some of the PI mishes.
Wyvern appear in RWZ mishes
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Spectral Pirates appear in Bloody Bay
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Ahh, I couldn't recall if they were just ghosts in BB or actually part of the same faction - I rarely go there.
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Spetznaz are extremely rare either side and are the one I believe probably best fits the OPs questions - that is if you don't consider them to be Malta faction. Don't they appear rarely on some of the PI mishes.
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I'm 99.9% sure they don't appear on Tina/Maria/Unai/Harvey's arcs. And they're not Malta - they're Russian special forces. In CoV they only exist on Dmitri Krylov's arc. But I don't spend as much time on blueside as I used to. If they are there then it's a mission I've not done yet and I'm curious where it is.
Admittedly I've not done Crimson's missions and he'd probably be the logical place for them - I'd go check Paragon Wiki myself, but I don't want to read the whole pwiki page for Crimson yet and spoil any story surprises, because he's one of the few incentives I have to level another CoH hero to 50 one day. Maybe you can confirm whereabouts Spetsnaz are in CoH - are they on Crimson? Can you provide a pwiki link to just that mission?
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Wyvern appear in RWZ mishes
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Do they? I didn't even know there were instanced missions in RWZ. That's interesting. And I didn't even realise that Wyvern scaled that high - I presumed they were purely a mid-level faction (the level range 20-35ish would probably cover most of the times I've seen them). Live and learn.
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Spectral Pirates appear in Bloody Bay
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Ahh, I couldn't recall if they were just ghosts in BB or actually part of the same faction - I rarely go there.
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Isn't there a badge for them then?
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Although the Shaper AV is one too, but the mish he's in is stuffed full of Freakshow cultists.
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That always seemed like a missed opportunity. Yaay to Coralax, Goldbrickers and Warriors. And Tsoo. Seems like they hardly have anything to do.
I want to see much more crossover of the differing groups between heroes and villains too. (are there any Hero only groups that don't appear in villains?)
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