possibility of energy/energy scrapper?


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Pure speculation this one. Any ideas/thoughts/hopes that they will make an energy/energy scrapper?

Been waiting for ages for one and hopefully with this power prolifi-whatsit we might finally get one.

Anyone else think that one might be good?


 

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I'd take nrg as a primary. Big tweaks would be needed as I have said in other posts about it.

Scrappers need another primary which is NOT based on smashing / leathal damage. Fire would be good, energy as well or even elec.


 

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I'd not take EN as a primary but I'd like a new secondary and EN would suit me fine


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I hate energy aura


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Energy Aura's stealth would be awesome for me, I'd totally roll /energy, and it has a +end power, and a godmode better than elude! Totally sold for me.


 

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I think energy/energy would be interesting

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Gah.. double post


 

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I think Elec/elec is more likely for both tanks and scrappers.


 

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Energy Aura's stealth would be awesome for me, I'd totally roll /energy, and it has a +end power, and a godmode better than elude! Totally sold for me.

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After 50 levels of it I can say without doubt I would have any other defensive set over energy aura Don't get me wrong, Overload is awesome, one of the best Godmodes in game, but the defense levels that you have running the rest of the time are very poor. Tough and Weave were necessary to make it somewhat more bearable and you gotta take aid self too. Thats 5 extra powers to give the set enough survivability. This is just a moan that the defense levels on the toggles aren't quite high enough. But don't let me put you off!


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It's just the unsupressed stealth that intrigues me. A single target scrapper with that would be nice in teams. Scrappers don't need as many defences.


 

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Its defence, It would be nice to have another defence based scrapper and a 3rd SR is pushing it


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It's just the unsupressed stealth that intrigues me.

[/ QUOTE ]What unsuppressed stealth? EA's cloak is identical to DA's, and does suppress.


 

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I'm quite hopeful it'll come over to Heroes, then perhaps the dev's might listen to the people that are crying because of EA's rubbish levels of defence on the Villain side. They're worse than SR's for a start and if it does come over to heroes then they might realise and buff it a bit on both sides


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EA is commonly seen as a gimp set (especially if you read the US boards). I just dont get it. OK so the base values aren't great, and it's typed defense rather than positional. I dont have any problems soloing 3 player maps with my EA on Relentless (Invincible) against any enemy except renegade vanguard - and that's without even needing to use Overload!

I dont have tough or weave in my build but I do have all the passives and energy cloak. I am also fully IO'd up so that helps too. I'll post some defense numbers that I get from my build when I get home.

OK so it's completely pants in PvP (but who seriously PvPs with a defense set anyway??) but it is more than fine in PvE in my opinion.

Mind you I wouldn't say no to a buff for EA


 

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Wow! Thats very impressive on an EA. By "fully IO'd up" do you mean common IOs or set IOs? I know i would stand no chance of doing that with my energy/energy. I have two other brutes, a /wp and a /electric, both appear to have far more survivability than my /energy. Would you agree that, despite exaggeration on EA's gimped-ness, it still underperforms in comparison to other brute secondaries?


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Eng/ scrappers would be absolutely broken unless they're in some way totally different to the eng/ on the other characters. A scrapper with crits and huge stuns? No thanks.


 

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Wow! Thats very impressive on an EA. By "fully IO'd up" do you mean common IOs or set IOs? I know i would stand no chance of doing that with my energy/energy. I have two other brutes, a /wp and a /electric, both appear to have far more survivability than my /energy. Would you agree that, despite exaggeration on EA's gimped-ness, it still underperforms in comparison to other brute secondaries?

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Mostly set IOs but with a few common IOs and a few HOs.

I think the main reason it falls behind the other secondaries is that it doesnt have a heal or a taunt aura - easily fixed by picking Aid Self and Taunt though.

Built the right way EA can become very survivable. I'll post some numbers when I get home.


 

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Ah ok. I agree about the lack of heal of course, as I stated above Aid Self is a necessary pick. Even so, its interruptable nature still means it not really ideal. Also, my EA is still less survivable than my /elec and /wp neither of which have self heals. As for a taunt aura, unless it was similar to /invul or /wp in that it improved survivability, I just wouldnt take one, it would feel suicidal on large teams (imo). I would agree that with the correct slotting, /EA can become very survivable, but it seems that this is merely pulling the set inline with the other sets. I'm not sure I would bother spending infamy on making a mediocre character good as opposed to making a good character great. That said, I am very interested in your build and would like to subscribe to your leaflets.

Anyway this is quickly becoming a thread about /EA brutes so I will try and shoe horn it back on topic by saying that I would be more comfortable having /EA on a scrapper than I would on a brute. There is less of an expectation that you will need to take agro and the nature of the Heroic ATs means you are likely to get better support from the team if you are on one. But if /ea does come to scrappers, I would still rather roll a /regen /wp or /invul.


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Eng/ scrappers would be absolutely broken unless they're in some way totally different to the eng/ on the other characters. A scrapper with crits and huge stuns? No thanks.

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I'm certain that if it did come to Scrappers then the chance to crit would be removed from Energy Transfer. Would still be a very powerful set though.


 

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It's just the unsupressed stealth that intrigues me.

[/ QUOTE ]What unsuppressed stealth? EA's cloak is identical to DA's, and does suppress.

[/ QUOTE ]I was sure that I'd heard people saying how EA's one let them wail on one enemy with a very nearby enemy not noticing... meh.


 

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Nope. It's definitely suppressed, but the -threat stays active all the time, so someone with Energy Cloak won't draw much aggro in a team, especially when accompanied by toons with a high threat multiplier like tankers or other scrappers.
But as an aside, I don't think EM will be available for scrappers all that soon since in a recent dev statement EM for scrappers was one of two examples of big balancing difficulties if they decided to open up all powersets instead of those few with the upcoming issue.




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I'm quite hopeful it'll come over to Heroes, then perhaps the dev's might listen to the people that are crying because of EA's rubbish levels of defence on the Villain side. They're worse than SR's for a start and if it does come over to heroes then they might realise and buff it a bit on both sides

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EA has worse Defence than SR. EA Has Conserve Power, and an End Drain AoE, as well as an amazing t9 - AND Stealth. SR has a bit of +recharge. If they gave SR Stealth, and two +end powers, THEN it may be reasonable to whine about EA having lower Defence.


 

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All EA needs is a useful taunt aura for non-stalkers. I can't see anything else TOO bad about it. Buffs are always nicer than nerfs though, especially buffs to underused powersets.


 

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Since brutes don't get a taunt aura either I doubt that a hero version would get one.




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It's just the unsupressed stealth that intrigues me.

[/ QUOTE ]What unsuppressed stealth? EA's cloak is identical to DA's, and does suppress.

[/ QUOTE ]I was sure that I'd heard people saying how EA's one let them wail on one enemy with a very nearby enemy not noticing... meh.

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I do that with my DA brute too. I dont think I'm meant to though


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They were appropriately appalled
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Women wrapped in silk
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spider, brilliant!"