Mind/Energy Patron


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I have a Mind/Energy Dominator that I'm getting to close to having to decide about Patrons with.

I want an armour, and I want a +end recovery, so my choices look like being Ghost Widow, or Scirrocco for Soul Mastery, or Mu.

They look fairly similar in what they offer, and being reeaaaally retentive, I want to make sure the looks of either compliment my toon, but I cna't recall seeing how either of these animate on a Dominator, or how they are styled.

What do the Mu Charged Armour and Power Sink look like? Do they animate in red, as per Elec/Brute and Mu sets?

What sort of effect or tone does the GW armour have?

Thanks .


 

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You're not looking hard enough - The Mu Guardian simply shines on a Mind/ Dominator - no other pets to heal so you'll be the one receiving the healing all the time. It's really that good

Also, ghost widow's +endurance power is inferior to the Mu one, that pretty much licks your enemies dry when powerboosted.


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The Mu effects are as you would expect - red versions of other electric powers.

Half of GW's powers use the same effects as regular dark powers, though her tentacley powers are not black, but a vivid purple/yellow/white.

In terms of in-game abilities though, unless you're really in love with GW, Scirocco is equal to or better than GW for Doms on every count.

Scirocco's armour resists smash/lethal/energy in equal and decent amounts, the 3 most common damage types in the game. GW's armour resists rarer damage types and to a smaller degree.

GW's end drain power takes THREE TIMES longer to recharge than Scirocco's.

All the patron pets available to dominators are nice, but Scirocco's is generally considered the best of them since it heals.

GW may be a dominator herself but she's pretty stingy to her fellow doms...


 

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Hmm, hiya, gratz for almost ur hitting to patrons

If you are worried bout the graphics, we can meet this evening (ill be on almost all evening at @the_defuser) and Ill go with my dominator and show u the mu graphics (so far, got shield, power sink and the pet)...

Actually, one good reason, as Alvan appointed, is that Mu has a pet who heals u if u are in troubles... That is interesting allways...

Im actually lvling another toon, a mind/fire, mainly centered for pvp, and he has gone for Mako, mainly for his 'tonado' power... I think it has lot of utily for pvp, even more than the mu pet... We could discuss it one day...

Well, resuming, if u want a +end power, and good graphics, Mu >> GW. If u want 'other things', maybe BS or Mako could work for u.

Hope it helps, peace.


 

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Scirocco is best by far. As a healer, the Mu Guardian is the best patron pet in the game, and Energy Transfer is excellent, and with Power Boost you can use it to wipe out the end of anything smaller than an EB, as well as fully recharge yourself.

Charged armour is red lightning, but very understated, you barely notice it.


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Yeah I've swung towards Scirrocco and Mu Mastery, but just wanted to check I hadn't over looked anything from Ghost Widow 1st.

It's a project character so pretty heavily themed. I've got enough problems writing my way around even having a patron (he's a Riktified Vanguard hero ). I'm guessing I'll [censored] something in a hatchett retcon job making out he had a patron *before* being Riktified . But how the hell I could account for a Mu pet... (maybe I'll just call Joe Quesada ).

Not sure whether I'll tool this one up for PvP or not, but otherwise the pet, yes, is nice .

Thanks for the opinions and info, will help a lot.

Dom's are probably about my favourite game AT. I have a Plant/Thorns 50, and after this Mind/Energy, I got a Grav/Psi to work on, and then there's always the Ice/Psi I'm toying around with off and on ... but, I did promise myself a /rad Corruptor next.


 

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The really sad thing about the people who took Ghost Widow as their Dominator patron when the powers first came out, were led to believe that Dark Consumption recharged a heck of a lot faster than it does now (cos the info displayed was wrong)

I took GW on my Ice/Psi and while I knew the power choices were 'weaker' than what I could get from Scriocco or Mako, I do _love_ my Dark Obliteration AoE and the pet is a great ranged sniper The set just needs Dark Consumption to be buffed or outright replaced to make it more popular (imho).


 

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I actually took Ghost Widow on Starscreamer and it was a superb decision! For starters he gets toxic res which is really useful later in the game. Plus Dark Consumption does damage (power sink doesn't) and has -acc, as does Dark Obliteration.

Also the Seer has other quirks in that she does nice damage at a very fast rate - plus they gave her subdue again so shes awesome. Plus she has team +perception and is more highly resistant as a pet. Oh and don't forget all the -rech. I would not say that is a weak list of things lol

Mu is great - but I hate the Mu themselves and that weakling Scirroco lol


 

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Well, i went with the mu with my mind/ice, and although colours and graphic/sound is nice, It is just a bit of frustrating... The pet seems he preefer to attack rather than healing (it is like the pet say: Im a corruptor, im not a healer )..

In the other hand, i have gone to Mako with my mind/fire, and Im really impressed with the water spout trick... Yesterday I noticed that it look enemies for me, if u have a 'kill all' mish u can keep him up all time, and he will find ur preys

Resuming, mu is great, but others patrons are too, and all of them have their pros/cons.

Cheers.


 

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i have a question which is on this topic,

turns out i chose soul matery as my future patron, but i have consume from the /fire set so do i need dark consumption?

or should i just change to MU mastery which i think i would prefer.


 

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turns out i chose soul matery as my future patron, but i have consume from the /fire set so do i need dark consumption?

or should i just change to MU mastery which i think i would prefer.

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That's the crux of the problem, at the current time, you can't respec and change Patrons... .


 

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The pet seems he preefer to attack rather than healing (it is like the pet say: Im a corruptor, im not a healer )..

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You need a "HI! R U HEAL0R!" bind when you summon it .


 

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hehehe, ill do it, Mighty

In the other hand, NeonPower, it seems a bit overkill to have consume on top to dark consume or power sink (if u finally go to mu)...

Think that u should be gettin a full blue bar each time u hit domination, so that leaves u using ur +end power very few times (dunno ur build).

Peace.


 

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It does depend on your primary, really. I could see an Ice/Fire dom taking a 2nd endurance healing power...


 

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My fire/energy dom is currently at 39 so i too am considering patrons for him (darn the inability to change patrons) so a little worried about making the wrong choice. Was thinking of Mako for Water Spout like Def_user above, but is this a bit of a bad choice (i was gonna slot it with stun set for +recharge and so that it could keep mobs stunned after flashfire.) Am i better off going with Scirroco for power sink? Problem is i've already done the sciroco arc Thoughts on which patrons would compliment Fire/energy best whilst offering capacity to slot for +recharge would be great.


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My fire/energy dom is currently at 39 so i too am considering patrons for him (darn the inability to change patrons) so a little worried about making the wrong choice. Was thinking of Mako for Water Spout like Def_user above, but is this a bit of a bad choice (i was gonna slot it with stun set for +recharge and so that it could keep mobs stunned after flashfire.) Am i better off going with Scirroco for power sink? Problem is i've already done the sciroco arc Thoughts on which patrons would compliment Fire/energy best whilst offering capacity to slot for +recharge would be great.

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hmm, it is a hard choice... Could we know what r ur purposes for??

Being fire/, the mu healing pet will heal anything that is under 70% hp each 20 secs, and that include ur imps... Thus u will be healed just a few times, coz the imps tend to take lot of dmg...

Yeah, i know that mu have another utilites, but it shines for his healing pet (IMHO)

Water Spout from Mako will make a huge chaos if enemies arnt caged (-knockback)... That wouldnt be good if imps are running after enemies, and not attacking... Although if u have the enemies caged, that power is gold, and it has some sinergies with FF, on top with a fear effect

Maybe a good approach could be Black Scorpion, for his -res in poisonous ray, though i havnt tested it yet... Also the blaster bot could be the toughter pet available, and tends to melee more than others.

Just showing u some pros and cons, it is up to u.

PS: BTW, i choosed water spout for pvp purposes, not sure if it will be ur case.

Cheers.


 

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Maybe a good approach could be Black Scorpion, for his -res in poisonous ray, though i havnt tested it yet... Also the blaster bot could be the toughter pet available, and tends to melee more than others.

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Re' Black Scorpion:

The Poison Ray is very very nice. A great enhanceable -def debuff but more importantly a nice -res debuff, which I think off the top of my head is -20%.

I have this on my Plants/Thorns which is probably where is synergises best due to /Thorns having so much -def already and also having Aim. When you factor Domination, Aim and -res to a target with a big hitter like Ripper, you start looking at some really nice damage. I actually tuned mine back to 100% PvE for the sake of running high level missions for cash. Chucking a Gaussian BU in Aim, a Decimation BU in Thorny Darts with an Achilles heel in it too I'm processing proc triggers very quickly vs single targets. Testing is tricky but I've hit a 52 Carnie boss, the gittish Ring Mistress for 350+ twice in seconds from a Ripper and Skewer follow up to BU triggers and all that stuff from Domination and Aim. Which I think is pretty good going on /Thorns.

I don't know how you could build or stack up something similar on Fire or Energy so maybe the mace wouldn't fare so well as a choice and it is probably the key power to consider in that pool if you're gonna take it or not.

The Pet... Toxic Tarantula... oh boy . What a let down. Sure it's awesome looking and it does have some nice tricks as does melee, but it's all lost and an excercise in futility when the damn thing seems to be made from cheap plastic. It's WOEFULLY squishy. I specced it back out and have never ever missed it.

The Shield is quite nice. It's about 35(ish)% slotted up vs Smashing/Lethal and Energy, plus a stupid small amount of Toxic Res. It seems nice for PvE, until you get to very high +conning mobs and it's no good at all for PvP where there's soooo much tohit, particulary from the Hero side.

Edit: Aside, I went for Scirroco on my Mind/Energy and very happy so far having just got Power Sink. It works a treat and the look complements well, so ta for advice guys .


 

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I took Black Scorpion for my mind/psi mostly for the defence-based shield, which I find incredibly handy. The P-Ray is also extremely good value as it recharges nice and fast and can make a big difference versus AVs etc.

The Toxic Tarantula... I didn't bother to pick up. I wanted a pet that intimidates, but the devs didn't even bother to give us a full-sized one!

So I can't comment on how good the Tiny Toxic Tarantula is. It looks good on paper, but in the end I think I've gotten more for my money by picking another regular power instead.


 

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Hmm, i have heard (US Forums maybe) it has some tools for pvp, since it has some attacks -fly, -speed and -jump, and that is gold for pvp...

Also, and continuing with JawDropper, /energy has PB, so the -def and -res will be affected, isnt it?? Double -res for apply is really tasty

Overall, i would try to avoid mu for a fire/ dominator, becoz the heals will be spread between u and ur pets... Other options are possible..

Peace.


 

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Power boost is one of the reasons i went /energy in the first place (PB + Dom + Flashfire = Yum) but i hadn't thought about how it would work with the patrons... For mace, obviously it will boost the defdebuff but can anyone confirm that it will boost the -res? Also, does Powerboost boost +res or only +def? If only buffs +def then thats another thing in scorpion's favour! Not desperate on getting Power sink, don't have massive end problems atm, and can definitly slot more end reduc. But Water spout is really tempting! Argh this is confusing and I really dont want to make a decision i end up regretting and stop playing the toon!


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Pretty sure it doesnt apply to BS shield, since it has a low toxic resistance component...

Found this guide from US boards talkin bout powerboost... U will see if it buffs what u need or not...

clicky

Note that is for i8, though this power havnt changed (I think)...

Peace.

PS: water spout wouldnt be affected by PB, btw... doubts and doubts...


 

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Hmm, i have heard (US Forums maybe) it has some tools for pvp, since it has some attacks -fly, -speed and -jump, and that is gold for pvp...

Also, and continuing with JawDropper, /energy has PB, so the -def and -res will be affected, isnt it?? Double -res for apply is really tasty



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That's the Corruptor version which gives you Web Envelope and Cocoon , and they are ace for PvP . -Jump -Fly etc, plus the do a really nice -recharge for a good duration which stacks soooo nicely if you have other -recharges.

The Web Cocoon you can actually enhance for slows too which effects even if the hold doesn't apply (to something mez resisted etc).

You don't get these on the Dominator version.

I'm not sure you can Powerboost -res debuffs but I'm not 100% sure on that, or -def.

Edit: aha - seen the details in the guide Defuser linked to .


 

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Yay for my kin corr

Now its time to burn a respec and taste the blaster bot...

Peace.


 

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For mace, obviously it will boost the defdebuff but can anyone confirm that it will boost the -res? Also, does Powerboost boost +res or only +def? If only buffs +def then thats another thing in scorpion's favour!

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Resurrecting this thread now that I've done some testing. My mind/icy dom recently hit 41 and after a bit of thought, I finally decided to go for Mace (although I know I'll occasionally miss not having Power Sink), partly for the Def set slots which will help with my perma-dom build, partly because I wanted to try Poisonous Ray, partly for the blast which I also have on my brute and allows you to slot a +rechg proc, but also because I was counting on PB helping with my shield. BUT. Now that I've tested it, it seems that PB isn't affecting Scorp Shield at all . I've used both the Combat Attribute window and the Combat log to check it, and it seems to have no effect when I click on PB (I also tested it with Combat Jumping to make sure, and there you do see the difference when PB is up). Has anyone else tested this? I'm sure PB affects other +defense powers, so I'm a bit disappointed if it really doesn't work with my patron shield .


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If PB isn't buffing the defence on your Black Scorpion Shield then that really is an indictment on the balance between hero Epic and villain Patron pools .