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this is not moan about the damage they do although id love to see how long they last if a blaster could kill in 2 shots
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What do you mean, "if.. could"?
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Alvan is overpowered in pvp
He will make you on of these uber stalkers in 50 hourzzz
dont turn this into a silly thread plz im making a lgitimate point here and i cant kill in 2 shots if i cant hit because of the defence , i fullly agree with them having hide and being able to pick there targets as well as having AS i just dont see why when they come out of hide they have defence aswell
What type of stalker was this that you were missing?
it's very viable that the stalker simply popped alot of def pills after being seen and ran?
If you find you miss a couple of shots eat a few yellows or BU & Aim then go for the low HP bugger as he runs for cover..
At least thats what people do to my poor stalker 
But due to the low HP of stlakers and that they rely on defense I don't see how this makes them voerpowered - if you miss all stalkers all the time thats another issue, but is this a one off?
If a stlaker had no defense outside of hide they would have no viable means to survive anything after an AS (unless regen is spamming heals).
I always think that it is worth playing the AT before judging them massively - that goes for myself as well why I don't comment on some AT's
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i have played a stalker and must admit to not liking it and i also understand what you mean about them having no defence after AS, from a blaster point of view when i let rip with my attack chain i get agro but i still survive and i got no def at all, so imo my point is still valid
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this is not moan about the damage they do although id love to see how long they last if a blaster could kill in 2 shots
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What do you mean, "if.. could"?
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Heck, I can almost do that on Vahiki.
If a stlaker had no defense outside of hide they would have no viable means to survive anything after an AS (unless regen is spamming heals).
why should they get any defence after using AS ? they for hit and run , again on a blaster you get no defence yet they manage,also they got placate a blaster has 1 hold and still has to manage without defence
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why should they get any defence after using AS ? they for hit and run , again on a blaster you get no defence yet they manage,also they got placate a blaster has 1 hold and still has to manage without defence
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Blaster can get a certain amount of "active defence" by attacking from range, most stalkers cant really do that, they need a little more scapability since the vast majority of there attacks are melee and they have even less hp than a blaster.
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dont turn this into a silly thread plz im making a lgitimate point here and i cant kill in 2 shots if i cant hit because of the defence , i fullly agree with them having hide and being able to pick there targets as well as having AS i just dont see why when they come out of hide they have defence aswell
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this is not moan about the damage they do although id love to see how long they last if a blaster could kill in 2 shots
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What do you mean, "if.. could"?
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Heck, I can almost do that on Vahiki.
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You can almost 2 hit people with archery? 
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why should they get any defence after using AS ? they for hit and run , again on a blaster you get no defence yet they manage,also they got placate a blaster has 1 hold and still has to manage without defence
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Blaster can get a certain amount of "active defence" by attacking from range, most stalkers cant really do that, they need a little more scapability since the vast majority of there attacks are melee and they have even less hp than a blaster.
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i dont disagree but i think maybe your thinking from a pve point of view im talking about pvp and i still see no need for a stalker to have any def after they come out of hide ,they kill in 2 shots or sometimes 3 then 5 seconds later they back into hide so theres a window of maybe 7 or 8 seconds and on top of that they got defence , there mitigation is getting to pick there targets and attacking from hide with the biggest attack in the game , i still dont see why they get a def buff aswell
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dont turn this into a silly thread plz im making a lgitimate point here and i cant kill in 2 shots if i cant hit because of the defence , i fullly agree with them having hide and being able to pick there targets as well as having AS i just dont see why when they come out of hide they have defence aswell
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And the second post from you with out any additions to this discussion, way to get the post count up
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i dont disagree but i think maybe your thinking from a pve point of view im talking about pvp and i still see no need for a stalker to have any def after they come out of hide ,they kill in 2 shots or sometimes 3 then 5 seconds later they back into hide so theres a window of maybe 7 or 8 seconds and on top of that they got defence , there mitigation is getting to pick there targets and attacking from hide with the biggest attack in the game , i still dont see why they get a def buff aswell
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Against a soft and unprepared target, if I'm careful my kin defender can often heal off the stalker after an AS. Plus PVE trumps pvp as far as the devs are concerned so I wouldnt be surprised if stalkers got a bit of a survivability boost at some point. Does this happen all the time? Maybe the guy just chugged a cowload of purples.
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this is not moan about the damage they do although id love to see how long they last if a blaster could kill in 2 shots
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Heck, I can almost do that on Vahiki.
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You can almost 2 hit people with archery?
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I'm sure it can with BU and Aim, but with me being /dev I don't have BU.
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dont turn this into a silly thread plz im making a lgitimate point here and i cant kill in 2 shots if i cant hit because of the defence , i fullly agree with them having hide and being able to pick there targets as well as having AS i just dont see why when they come out of hide they have defence aswell
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And the second post from you with out any additions to this discussion, way to get the post count up
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I am contributing to my post count as much as you have put thought into this thread.
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dont turn this into a silly thread plz im making a lgitimate point here and i cant kill in 2 shots if i cant hit because of the defence , i fullly agree with them having hide and being able to pick there targets as well as having AS i just dont see why when they come out of hide they have defence aswell
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And the second post from you with out any additions to this discussion, way to get the post count up
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I am contributing to my post count as much as you have put thought into this thread.
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If you had read all the thread you would have seen i have thought about this post lots, and you still havent put anything into the discussion other than silly little childish comments plz try and add something, i see from your sig you have stalker, you clearly have knowledge on this matter yet still persist in these kind of comments
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Ops my bad i made a mistake when i said i see from your sig you had a stalker
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i dont disagree but i think maybe your thinking from a pve point of view im talking about pvp and i still see no need for a stalker to have any def after they come out of hide ,they kill in 2 shots or sometimes 3 then 5 seconds later they back into hide so theres a window of maybe 7 or 8 seconds and on top of that they got defence , there mitigation is getting to pick there targets and attacking from hide with the biggest attack in the game , i still dont see why they get a def buff aswell
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Against a soft and unprepared target, if I'm careful my kin defender can often heal off the stalker after an AS. Plus PVE trumps pvp as far as the devs are concerned so I wouldnt be surprised if stalkers got a bit of a survivability boost at some point. Does this happen all the time? Maybe the guy just chugged a cowload of purples.
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Yep he could have just popped a load of purples.
I will watch over next few days and see if it was just that
I say they were either popping purples or you were very unlucky (or they were cheeky and had used a tier 9). Most of the blasters I know don't have any problems hitting stalkers.
I play a Super Reflex stalker and can get horribly maimed and I am suppose to have good defence lol. I think you initial reaction was just knee jerk as I don't think anyone has missed me 9 times without me being buffed or using elude.
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In terms of stalkers being overpowered, I can only agree with that in BB and a little in Sirens. In warburg and RV stalkers are average at best (especially def based sets) Accuracy plus tohit buffs are soo common it makes my def a joke outside of elude.
Maybe he popped his Tier 9 before entering SC? I know of a couple of stalkers on Union that regularly did that. Or maybe he just got lucky.
Doing a quick back-of-the-[censored]-packet calculation...assuming they had 30% defense, which I think is about what you get just from toggles at level 30 and you having 90% accuracy, then you would have a 38% base tohit chance. Build Up and Aim would boost that considerably. Of course, you don't know what other buffs they stalker may have had on him at the time.
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SR/Nin/EA Stalkers can hit the Def soft cap out of their god mode with IOs these days, so that might have been it. It doesn't make them overpowered - if you can't hit them, then you can't hit them. Modify your build if you want to hit high Def targets - get Tactics and add a Kismet global, get more +Acc bonuses, slot your attacks with 2 Acc. Don't just complain because there was one person you couldn't kill straight away.
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dont turn this into a silly thread plz im making a lgitimate point here and i cant kill in 2 shots if i cant hit because of the defence , i fullly agree with them having hide and being able to pick there targets as well as having AS i just dont see why when they come out of hide they have defence aswell
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It is silly.
Honestly, when I saw the title the first thing I assumed was that some idiot had made another one of those insane "OMG CONTROLLERS ARE UNDERPOWERED IN THE PVP! OMGWTFBBQ!" or "NERF GLOBEY!" threads.
Anyway, before the OP accuses me of not contributing, it's a silly thread because:
(i) Stalkers get huge defense from Hide whilst they are hidden.
(ii) Once OUT of hidden the Stealth suppresses from a whopping ~60% to a mild ~5% Defence to AoE.
(iii) The only Stalkers that get noticable Defence outside hidden are /SR and /Nin. They are defensive sets.
(iv) The OP's sig shows they have an Ice/EM and a NRG/Dev Blaster.
(v) If they wanted to annoy/kill a Stalker, their /Dev is perfect for it (Webnade/Mines/Stealth/Trops).
(vi) If a Blaster with "Aim + Build Up + PB" or "Aim + TD" can't hit a Stalker then that Blaster is Kak.
SR or NIN Stalker Defence in SC out of hide will be easily beaten by slotted Targetting Drone, never mind "Aim".
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i was playing a blaster 2 days ago in sc i fired 7 shots at a stalker and not one hit i have 90% acc and damage.
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edit: and I was even beaten to the punch pointing out the reason to this.
STALKERS ARE OPERPOWERED IN PVP!!!
Heres why IMO
they have defence on top of there hide
i was playing a blaster 2 days ago in sc i fired 7 shots at a stalker and not one hit i have 90% acc and damage.
this is not moan about the damage they do although id love to see how long they last if a blaster could kill in 2 shots