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go. Test defiance.
Seems to be up on the testserver 
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Has there been any buff at all?! Whatever it is it isnt big enough for me to notice it!
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Not at home so can't check ATM, but if your old Defiance bar isn't there on test then the changes are up.
Stacking ranged damage attacks should show you the most difference. It'll be equivilant to about a 40-50% +damage buff on live's numbers after you attack a few times (ranged damage buff of +25%ish plus "Fury").
Oh, and the fire-when-mezzed thingy... 
I fail to see how this is supposed to increase blaster performance in live. Since the buff is not enough to particularly change the amount of attacks needed to kill mobs from before, and blaster defense is unaffected, I simple fail to see how this improves things.
And I thought the fire when mezzed-thingy, as you put it, was supposed to be pvp addition since you arent going to drop dark ring mistresses etc with some couple paltry 1/2 tier ranged attacks! (you can only fire couple before you are dead anyway) Just plain stupid the whole issue.
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Are those maths correct? Surely, against a 0% RES target, you should get the same damage regardless of what the unresistable portion is?
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Which you do if you read carefully.
[/ QUOTE ]As carefully as I read it, it still says that with 15% unresistable portion the damage is 140, compared to 125 with no unresistable portion
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Are those maths correct? Surely, against a 0% RES target, you should get the same damage regardless of what the unresistable portion is?
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Which you do if you read carefully.
[/ QUOTE ]As carefully as I read it, it still says that with 15% unresistable portion the damage is 140, compared to 125 with no unresistable portion
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Yorue right, there is a typo there. It would help to directly quote the problem part though.
ps. Did the christmas event jsut start while I was testing this?
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Whilst I can appreciate your frustration with the threat of any changes to your Blaster's PvP playstyle, I think that you're looking at the [potential] change from the wrong angle here Hammer:
Blasters apparently needed a change in PvE, so Blasters were changed.
PvE is the priority for the devs, since the vast majority of the game is in PvE.
PvP changes can occur due to bleed-through from PvE changes, rather than the other way around... as was pointed out earlier in the thread, few if any PvE changes have occured due to imbalances in PvP.
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My point is that nobodys gonna solve problems CORRECTLY without looking at the big picture. Otherwise only new problems will be created. I am reminded of an old donald duck comic where two people started to trim the garden fence and started from opposite ends. When they met at the middle they found out that they had cut it different heights. Then they tried again and again until the fence was ground-level. (only then was it all the same height)
ps. And since PVP constitutes of basically 99% of the little COH play I have left, I sure as hell am concerned about it.
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Are those maths correct? Surely, against a 0% RES target, you should get the same damage regardless of what the unresistable portion is?
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Which you do if you read carefully.
[/ QUOTE ]As carefully as I read it, it still says that with 15% unresistable portion the damage is 140, compared to 125 with no unresistable portion
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Yorue right, there is a typo there. It would help to directly quote the problem part though.
ps. Did the christmas event jsut start while I was testing this?
[/ QUOTE ]It's not a typo, it's a problem with the maths, from what I can see.
And yes, it did.
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Versus 0% Resistance (Unbuffed, Undebuffed)
= (1 * 125) + 15 = 140 Damage total (UP by 40)
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What exactly is the 15 about? That is the typo as far as I can see.
15% unresistable from 100 dmg?
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15% unresistable from 100 dmg?
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Against target with no res?
Besides, correct me if im wrong but the base damage isnt enhanced correctly either. +12,5% to base damage of 50 is 50*1.125 = 56,25, enhanced 100% (doubled) by enhancements should be 112,5, not 125, right?
Or I dont understand what Mael is after at all.
Amended the typo, apologies.
It was on that last set of calculations with 15% "unresisted" damage. I was adding 15% (unresisted) of the total damage without only multiplying by 85% (resisted damage).
Interestingly, with the proper numbers versus 75% (capped) resists the New defiance (plus about 20% buff from "Blaster Fury" with 15% unresisted damage) would be exactly as damaging as it is now on live.
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Versus 0% Resistance (Unbuffed, Undebuffed)
= (1 * 125) + 15 = 140 Damage total (UP by 40)
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What exactly is the 15 about? That is the typo as far as I can see.
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The +15 is unresisted damage. The error was 125 - it should have been 110. (85% resisted, plus 25% from the '12.5% base ranged damage buff') I didn't subtract the 15% when amending the formula from the previous list.
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Versus 0% Resistance (Unbuffed, Undebuffed)
= (1 * 125) + 15 = 140 Damage total (UP by 40)
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What exactly is the 15 about? That is the typo as far as I can see.
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The +15 is unresisted damage. The error was 125 - it should have been 110. (85% resisted, plus 25% from the '12.5% base ranged damage buff') I didn't subtract the 15% when amending the formula from the previous list.
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But it isnt 'just' 15 if you take into account the +12,5% to the base damage? should be 16,875. Mael, time for a teabreak, youre slipping 
I think we've proved without a shadow of a doubt that I'm better at spitting out numbers than checking them.
Right, I'll amend them one last time then you can take over Brainiac, time for me to get back to those laptops...
Ill help, since the target has no res, the only thing taken into account is the increase to base ranged damage, so total damage should be 112,5. Thats it
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Ill help, since the target has no res, the only thing taken into account is the increase to base ranged damage, so total damage should be 112,5. Thats it
[/ QUOTE ]Nah. The 12.5% is applied to the base damage of 50, which is then buffed by 100%. So the end result should be 125 damage.
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Ill help, since the target has no res, the only thing taken into account is the increase to base ranged damage, so total damage should be 112,5. Thats it
[/ QUOTE ]Nah. The 12.5% is applied to the base damage of 50, which is then buffed by 100%. So the end result should be 125 damage.
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OMG you made the same mistake you once corrected me about, lol!
Makes a note on the wall, 7.12.2007 MaX was wrong again
ps. Drawing a picture in case you are confuzzled:
12,5% of 50 is 6,25
50+6,25= 56,25
56,25 x2 = 112,5
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Ill help, since the target has no res, the only thing taken into account is the increase to base ranged damage, so total damage should be 112,5. Thats it
[/ QUOTE ]Nah. The 12.5% is applied to the base damage of 50, which is then buffed by 100%. So the end result should be 125 damage.
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What i'm doing wrong here:
50 + (50 * 12,5%) = 50 + 6.25 = 56.25
56.25 + (56.25 * 100%) = 112.50
In % based:
100% + (100% * 100%) = 200%
12.5% + (12,5% * 100%) = 25%
50 * 225% = 112.50 
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Ill help, since the target has no res, the only thing taken into account is the increase to base ranged damage, so total damage should be 112,5. Thats it
[/ QUOTE ]Nah. The 12.5% is applied to the base damage of 50, which is then buffed by 100%. So the end result should be 125 damage.
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OMG you made the same mistake you once corrected me about, lol!
Makes a note on the wall, 7.12.2007 MaX was wrong again
(ps. in case you are confuzzled 112,5% of 50 is 56,25. Doubled it becomes 112,5 )
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'tis a bad day to do maths >_>
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62.5 Damage Attack << thats the point. You add 12,5 dmg, not 12,5% dmg
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All deleted/fixed. And I'm going home now to play on the test server, Dammit...
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I would say,
go. Test defiance.
Seems to be up on the testserver
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Has there been any buff at all?! Whatever it is it isnt big enough for me to notice it!
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Not at home so can't check ATM, but if your old Defiance bar isn't there on test then the changes are up.
Stacking ranged damage attacks should show you the most difference. It'll be equivilant to about a 40-50% +damage buff on live's numbers after you attack a few times (ranged damage buff of +25%ish plus "Fury").
Oh, and the fire-when-mezzed thingy...
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Sure as hell doesn't feel like it.
I had my burst from 20dmg eventualy up to 39dmg on a rikti boss while mezzed, i'm happy
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I can tell there's a slight buff to ranged damage (20 more hitpoints on fireblast, yay), but the Fury thing IMO is underwhelming to say the least.
Also are you sure we should be getting a 25% damage buff enhanced? Doesn't seem like it on test right now. More like 12.5% enhanced.
its still 12,5%, read up the maths
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I would say,
go. Test defiance.
Seems to be up on the testserver
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Has there been any buff at all?! Whatever it is it isnt big enough for me to notice it!