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Was messing around with Mids earlier and was looking at /dark for stalkers, and i found myself knowing hardly anything about it. We here lots in this forum about nin, sr and regen, very little about ea, and next to nothing about dark. So does anyone actually ever play it on stalkers to a high level? Anyone?
Anyone with some high level experience of /dark with whatever primary would be cool to hear about.
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Most stalkers nowdays are PvP specs. /Dark imo is really hard to handle in pvp. Its a really end heavy resistance based set which has a monster heal. Bad side of the heal is that it requires accuracy AND foes at close range. Which is not good for pvp. I have seen a spines/dark stalker in PvE and he did pretty good. No KB prot, res to psi, res to fear and a heal to the set. Also to mention AoE Fear, stun and a uber Rez which cant detoggle granites.
Roasties Claws/Dark is well nice :P
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Roasties Claws/Dark is well nice :P
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I bet that is the reason he deleted it.
he was good with it 
. Don't think the secondary is that important though if you're just doing hit and run tactics. meaning hit then run as soon as you're visable.
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he was good with it . Don't think the secondary is that important though if you're just doing hit and run tactics. meaning hit then run as soon as you're visable.
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It is. If you get slowed with DA you are dead meat. If you get slowed with Ninj or SR there is a change when you pop tier9. Or even if you avoid.
Just sj away or use prestige jump pack thingie
Or use Teleport 
I have a Spines/DA stalker and its been a lot more harder to level than any other stalker I've got (Regens/Nin/EA ones in the main). That might be more todo with Spines being a fairly slow animation set than anything todo with the /DA side (tho the end drain on the heal is absurd). Its a decent set and if you PvE only with it then IO's help ditch the need for Acro. I'd just say stay away from the Spines with it (spines is good but just not on a /DA stalker imho)
Little question as I'm thinking about /dark, do cloak of fear or oppresive gloom unhide you? cause that would be some heavy toggle management
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and a uber Rez which cant detoggle granites.
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You mean can?
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and a uber Rez which cant detoggle granites.
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You mean can?
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Aye, apologies for the typo, didnt see it in time so i cant edit it now 
I find dark armour rather good myself in PvE and PvP, And yes the cloak of fear unhides you. So best to activate after your first assassins strike.
True very end heavy but then again i find most things PvE wise do not last that long with my ninja sword/dark armour stalker. Cloak of fear tends to makes hero's shiver in fear to, Which helps alot when out numbered which usually happens in PvP zones.
In not so many words it depends on the player not the set.
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I had a dark/dark up to level 25, but ended up with alot of problems, some related to the +res nature of the armor, which just doesn't combine well with stalkers. So enemy hits are only doing 70% damage, even psy. Cool. But my hp was so low that it didn't really matter. If I grounded my feet, I face-planted. And the armor simply wasn't good for hit-and-run tactics (almost no defense).
There were also a couple of other annoyances, such as the need for either acrobatics or hover (knockback protection hole in the mez armor) when I wanted tp for concept. Other than that, I admit I deleted it because of dark melee (utter lack of hard critters from stealth made placate useless), and not over the /dark armor issues.
Endurance problems are virtually non-existence with stamina depending on your view of the stalker's role. If you do hit-and-run, then no problem. If you scrap alot, then you should consider slotting the primaries with end-red.
I've found claws/regen and energy/energy playstyle much more interesting, and with better looking animations to boot
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I admit I deleted it because of dark melee (utter lack of hard critters from stealth made placate useless)
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at 25 DM/'s only decent hit out of hide is Smite. At 26 you get Touch of Fear, a fantastic power, and at 32 Midnight grasp, a very very nice power to crit with out of hide. OK so its Not EM/, but then who wants one of them
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I admit I deleted it because of dark melee (utter lack of hard critters from stealth made placate useless)
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at 25 DM/'s only decent hit out of hide is Smite. At 26 you get Touch of Fear, a fantastic power, and at 32 Midnight grasp, a very very nice power to crit with out of hide. OK so its Not EM/, but then who wants one of them
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MG doesnt crit out of hide afaik.
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I admit I deleted it because of dark melee (utter lack of hard critters from stealth made placate useless)
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at 25 DM/'s only decent hit out of hide is Smite. At 26 you get Touch of Fear, a fantastic power, and at 32 Midnight grasp, a very very nice power to crit with out of hide. OK so its Not EM/, but then who wants one of them
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MG doesnt crit out of hide afaik.
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Then I wonder what kills those opponents when I use my Placate + MG combo on them.
Acording to my experience MG does not only crit but does downright scary damage while doing so.
Oh, and since the OP asked about it: Yes, I have level 50 dark/dark stalker. It's very powerful and one of the few stalker powerset combinations I would invite to a team.
And regarding that toggle question: Yes, CoF and OG unhide you (and CoF is next to not-managable endurance-wise). Nonetheless OG is very nice. I use it for tanking when the brute has to run. 
If it has eyes, you can blind it, if it has blood, you can make it bleed, if it has a mouth, you can make it scream.
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I admit I deleted it because of dark melee (utter lack of hard critters from stealth made placate useless)
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at 25 DM/'s only decent hit out of hide is Smite. At 26 you get Touch of Fear, a fantastic power, and at 32 Midnight grasp, a very very nice power to crit with out of hide. OK so its Not EM/, but then who wants one of them
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MG doesnt crit out of hide afaik.
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Then I wonder what kills those opponents when I use my Placate + MG combo on them.
Acording to my experience MG does not only crit but does downright scary damage while doing so.
Oh, and since the OP asked about it: Yes, I have level 50 dark/dark stalker. It's very powerful and one of the few stalker powerset combinations I would invite to a team.
And regarding that toggle question: Yes, CoF and OG unhide you (and CoF is next to not-managable endurance-wise). Nonetheless OG is very nice. I use it for tanking when the brute has to run.
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Placate hides you. At least a sucessful one. That means an attack from Placate is a Hide-attack.
Critting out of hide is something I would do, I'd imagine if AS was very likely to be interrupted. I have entertained the 'idea' with Shadow Maul but only on bunched groups but have never got to test.
He will honor his words; he will definitely carry out his actions. What he promises he will fulfill. He does not care about his bodily self, putting his life and death aside to come forward for another's troubled besiegement. He does not boast about his ability, or shamelessly extol his own virtues. - Sima Qian.
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I admit I deleted it because of dark melee (utter lack of hard critters from stealth made placate useless)
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at 25 DM/'s only decent hit out of hide is Smite. At 26 you get Touch of Fear, a fantastic power, and at 32 Midnight grasp, a very very nice power to crit with out of hide. OK so its Not EM/, but then who wants one of them
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MG doesnt crit out of hide afaik.
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Then I wonder what kills those opponents when I use my Placate + MG combo on them.
Acording to my experience MG does not only crit but does downright scary damage while doing so.
Oh, and since the OP asked about it: Yes, I have level 50 dark/dark stalker. It's very powerful and one of the few stalker powerset combinations I would invite to a team.
And regarding that toggle question: Yes, CoF and OG unhide you (and CoF is next to not-managable endurance-wise). Nonetheless OG is very nice. I use it for tanking when the brute has to run.
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Placate hides you. At least a sucessful one. That means an attack from Placate is a Hide-attack.
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Uuuuuuuhm... yes, and your point is???
Edit: Aaaah, after reading Eddy's statement again I see the misunderstanding. I read "crit out of hide" as "crit from hide" while you seem to read it as "crit without being hidden".
With all due respect, but I don't see how the latter interpretation makes sense. MG has just the same chance of critting without being hidden as every other stalker attack and that's that small percentage against held opponents. So, I guess Eddy was talking about critting from hide but used a somewhat ambiguous wording.
If it has eyes, you can blind it, if it has blood, you can make it bleed, if it has a mouth, you can make it scream.
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With all due respect, but I don't see how the latter interpretation makes sense. MG has just the same chance of critting without being hidden as every other stalker attack and that's that small percentage against held opponents. So, I guess Eddy was talking about critting from hide but used a somewhat ambiguous wording.
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I think he means alot of tier 9 stalker attacks are described to have a chance to crit (15%) even in plain sight. Midnight Grasp doesn't have that in the power description, hence
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With all due respect, but I don't see how the latter interpretation makes sense. MG has just the same chance of critting without being hidden as every other stalker attack and that's that small percentage against held opponents. So, I guess Eddy was talking about critting from hide but used a somewhat ambiguous wording.
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I think he means alot of tier 9 stalker attacks are described to have a chance to crit (15%) even in plain sight. Midnight Grasp doesn't have that in the power description, hence
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only scrappers have that ability
With the new willpower set, I was thinking about dark armor again. They took the aura power out and gave it a heal. Why didn't they modify dark armor to be more stalker friendly?
When properly hidden a stalker can perform critical hits with attacks.
Once an attack is made you are no longer hidden.
Hence the term "critting out of hide" as in "coming out of hide", not as in "already being outside of hide". I'd call that "critting outside of hide".
It could of been me who started the term "critting out of hide" as it fits my level of english too well 
He will honor his words; he will definitely carry out his actions. What he promises he will fulfill. He does not care about his bodily self, putting his life and death aside to come forward for another's troubled besiegement. He does not boast about his ability, or shamelessly extol his own virtues. - Sima Qian.
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With the new willpower set, I was thinking about dark armor again. They took the aura power out and gave it a heal. Why didn't they modify dark armor to be more stalker friendly?
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What do you mean by "stalker friendly"? You mean just like other sets? No, thanks. There are already enough stalkers that are only good for PvP.
If it has eyes, you can blind it, if it has blood, you can make it bleed, if it has a mouth, you can make it scream.
Dark armor will never be pvp-friendly.
Was messing around with Mids earlier and was looking at /dark for stalkers, and i found myself knowing hardly anything about it. We here lots in this forum about nin, sr and regen, very little about ea, and next to nothing about dark. So does anyone actually ever play it on stalkers to a high level? Anyone?
Anyone with some high level experience of /dark with whatever primary would be cool to hear about.