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I'm not sure that would help (you ninja editor you 
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they wouldnt be, hero/villain AT combinations have some very interesting sets that synergise amazingly well but people have not had the opportunity to explore the avenues as the only place where you can team with villains is now arena which is massively slow, undynamic and not exactly condusive to learning new styles with the mixed ATs
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(hero side, I wanted something super-powerful so I built a Dominator for villain side )
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I'm really enjoying her for PvP, I wanted something different from what I'm used to, it's also nice to build a character and not have to worry too much about having massive mobility at level 30 for Sirens.
I have to confess I made a Kin corruptor too, I just couldn't resist, I promised myself no more kinetics, but, well, I guess a girl just can't have too many and I like them. Can't wait to get her into some zone PvP. 
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I'm not sure that would help (you ninja editor you ). I mean if villains are still pants then the only reason to play say.. a corruptor over a defender/blaster would be cos you enjoy the corruptor playstyle, despite it being less powerful than the closest hero AT's. I guess what I mean is, if all AT's were open to heroes/villains then the pvp zones would mostly be hero vs hero.
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Corruptors are amazing shame there arent mainly people that play them.
thePhilosopher Martial Arts/Regen/Fire Scrapper
theRegulator Empathy/Energy/Soul Defender
Total Inertia Ice Blast/Kinetics/Psy Corruptor
Total Inferno Ice Blast/Thermal/Leviathan Corruptor
I get grief EVERY time i play empath in that zone, then i just say on Broadcast, "Clear Mind on boat if any1 wants it" then they just get even more annoyed 
but yeah, I see your point totally TG, theres a "group" of a few stalkers I could name now and other people, that cry every single say "OMG EMPATH NOOB" "OMG U POPPED INSP U CHEAT, HACKER!" I've even been asked to go 1v1 with a controller on my blaster, with no insps or temps, which makes me laugh
When i play my empath in warbrug my name is offically psyc@ck. And the blasters and the team I'm on always hear omg you cheater you can't play without an empath bugged blaster and so on. I still come back whenever I can and have fun. There's no point in trying to argue with this people they won't get it anyways.
This thread makes me want to play an empath
IN MEMORIUM OF GAYBABY
CRUELY TAKEN FROM THIS WORLD WHILE SO YOUNG
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Sorry to hear that, normally union folk a lot better than that. You have to let me know in game which blaster it was.
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It's not normally better than that at all. As someone who plays an Empath in PvP zones, on Union - though I suspect it'd be the same anywhere - I get grief all the time. I've been harassed for buffing, for healing, for TPing away, for using Break Frees, for teaming, and for generally being an Empath. Not only that, but anyone I team with on my Emp regularly gets harassed... in fact sometimes, they seem to act like I'm not there, like I'm perhaps some kind of automated bot and there's absolutely no talent or difficultly to playing an Empath in PvP, and just rant at how awful my teammates are for "needing" an Empath. It's even happened when I've been on a duo going up against vastly superior numbers.
It's been going on since the zones were released. You get some of it on Corruptor teams if you're doing well, too, but sometimes it feels like just being in a zone on an Empath (or being in a zone teamed with one) is enough to warrant all kinds of abuse being thrown at you. I've never had it happen to me on any of my other heroes - it's as though Empaths are somehow cheating, but anything else is fine, including Sonics who have CM with a different name.
On the flip side, sometimes it's kinda funny, and you can always /ignore when it stops being amusing.
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What makes WB dull is people refusing to fight away from the boat and Nub Beach. I pretty much refuse to go in there for PvP now because as soon as fights start to edge more than 3 seconds away from the safety of the Lolbow Loveboat, pretty much damn near every hero in the zone will spring back towards it as if they're attached with magical Nub Beach bungee cord. There's an entire zone there, but I wouldn't be surprised if most of the "Union WB PvP Krew" had only uncovered 15% of it.
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Look at it this way, a blaster and a emp duo can come in and cause problems for even big teams as they synergise so well, no pairing of any villains can match and would get stuffed, it takes a full co-ordinated corr team to cause heroes headaches and then out come the rad/psis....
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And I know what you're trying to do here, but you know that's just not true. Any well played duo - hero or villain - can cause havoc for much larger groups. Cel and I have done so on many occasions; most recently, our team of four villains (3 Corrs, 1 Stalker) completely routed at least 2 full teams of heroes (with trollers and defenders - and blasters and at least one zomg empath - before anyone starts arguing hypotheticals).
Zones don't really benefit one side or the other, barring Stalkers overperforming in BB and SC. I don't consider a Blaster and Emp any more dangerous than a pair of Corrs, assuming that they're both played to the same level. Arena is in a different league, and there are some issues there; to continue on that discussion would send this thread way off-topic, however.
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I would like to see a true FFA PvP Zone in CoX though.
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With regard to the OP: welcome to Union PvP, TG - the moaning doesn't start in earnest until you get to RV though. Have fun. \o/
@Synaesthetix
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Union: FU//LoUD
"that Syn is that that" - Mothers Love
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Aside from the fact that the OP said it was a Blaster who was complaining the most, not a villain, it's no excuse to harass other players. Complain if you want to, take it to the Suggestions board if you want to, discuss the problem all you want, but it's no excuse to take out your frustrations on players who are doing nothing other than playing the game. Any imbalances that exist are the devs' fault, not the person playing the Empath or their teammates.
Thanks for the input in this thread all now at least i know Empaths in Union PvP zones are not something abolished with an unwritten rule about no empaths entering pvp zones
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Thanks for the input in this thread all now at least i know Empaths in Union PvP zones are not something abolished with an unwritten rule about no empaths entering pvp zones
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Well, there might well be, just depends who you listen to.
There seem to be a lot of people with unwritten "rules" in their heads about a lot of things in PvP. RV is rife with it, particularly - you'll come across people who believe insps, buffing, using travel powers, using self-heals, using holds, and not fighting one-vs-one are all cheating. Syn even got accused of being unfair because he was using his Mastermind's henchmen once. (All of the things I've listed are things that have been said to myself or people in my SG.)
If you listen to all of these people, you will reach a point where the only way to fight is to be on a melee toon, stand next to someone, and then hit each other until one of you falls over. Syn and I even took a couple of them into the arena recently and really did just stand next to them even though we were on two Corrs and they were a Scrapper and an Elec/Elec Blaster, and we STILL got accused of cheating because we killed the Blaster more than we killed the Scrapper. You cannot win, just laugh at it and then ignore them.
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Sorry to hear that, normally union folk a lot better than that. You have to let me know in game which blaster it was.
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It's not normally better than that at all.
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Joking aside, it's really not normally better than that, and I don't play an Emp, I play a Kin most often, sometimes a Rad.
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I usually play my sonic in the zones. Then the nubs don't even know what it is you're doing
CoX 50s: <ill/rad> <ice/ice> <fire/kin> <grav/sonic> <ice/storm> <earth/kin> <kin/elec> <cold/psy> <thugs/dark> <fire/dark> <dark/elec> <night widow> <EM/ninj> <mind/icy>
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It's not normally better than that at all.
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Joking aside, it's really not normally better than that, and I don't play an Emp, I play a Kin most often, sometimes a Rad.
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I think I still stick my neck out and disagree and say its not the norm. Not sure why I don't get these comments as I too venture in a lot of the time with various ATs including empath, stalker, dominator, brute, tank and death/gank squads and have not been privy to abuse (lucky me I guess).
No offense to Octavian Vanguard (see comments made about frustration) but I wouldn't expect many pleasantries for fast killing death/gank squads. Still shouldn't expect abuse and I am now left wondering if it always the same people?
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Look at it this way, a blaster and a emp duo can come in and cause problems for even big teams as they synergise so well, no pairing of any villains can match and would get stuffed, it takes a full co-ordinated corr team to cause heroes headaches and then out come the rad/psis....
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And I know what you're trying to do here, but you know that's just not true. Any well played duo - hero or villain - can cause havoc for much larger groups. Cel and I have done so on many occasions; most recently, our team of four villains (3 Corrs, 1 Stalker) completely routed at least 2 full teams of heroes (with trollers and defenders - and blasters and at least one zomg empath - before anyone starts arguing hypotheticals).
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No, not really, a person can change the tide of battle but the bare bones of the matter is that villains dont compare to heroes, both in high levels and the inherant synergy of their design. You and cell have frustrated me before and tore my inv/ss a new one and you were very effective, my stalker, my ice/cold, my /fire brutes and hell even my ice/ice dom have harranged whole zones before solo but thats more down to the builds and the other players. lets simplify it, all things being equal in terms of skill a hero team WILL beat a villain one as heroes have sets that villains CANNOT counter, thermal cannot compare to empathy and /psi defenders bypass all available villain buffs. Its been done to death on the US and there are no serious villain pvp sgs simply because they are not viable.
And zone do benefit players more, vills are gods in BB, especially brutes with their full attack chain and stalkers, RV benefits heros due to the fact that their epics are astronomically better than the [censored] villains get. WB is the best place to fight in terms of levels but is such a flawed zone its mostly empty even on the highest populated servers.
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symaesthetix is the worst pvper ever though seriously
that guy plays an ar/dev i maen COME ON thats just plain rubbish
p.s. i also heard he eats buttes
Stalk's assuming equal skill and familiarity of playing with that AT/Build here, in which case Heroes do have the upper hand, but I think that's simply because heroes can drop massive ranged DPS and burst damage, villains rely more on melee DPS and burst damage.
However, a group of villains can easily dismantle a group of heroes if the heroes are casual PvPers and the villains actually know what they're doing.
It's not just numbers, Stalk.
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Most of the PvP I've done lately (at all in fact) is in two defender teams. Sometimes with a (PvE built) scrapper or two as well, but more often not. I honestly cannot remember the last time I was in a team which was bigger than four people in a PvP zone. We certainly don't have the sort of numbers that a couple of the villain groups we regularly fight do.
Hardly what I'd call a "fast killing death gank squad", and if it is then zone PvP has more issues than I thought it did from a teaming point of view.
A large number of people simply seem to have issues with people who play sensibly, and play to the strengths of the sets they are using, and it's absolutely nothing to do with uber builds.
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I think I still stick my neck out and disagree and say its not the norm. Not sure why I don't get these comments as I too venture in a lot of the time with various ATs including empath, stalker, dominator, brute, tank and death/gank squads and have not been privy to abuse (lucky me I guess).
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No offense to Octavian Vanguard (see comments made about frustration) but I wouldn't expect many pleasantries for fast killing death/gank squads. Still shouldn't expect abuse and I am now left wondering if it always the same people?
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Believe me, it's not as if you get a pat on the back and a handshake for dragging a fight out - just a chorus of "tuk u long enuf u fgt", usually after Tier9 + Magus + insps have worn off. And most complaints I've witnessed about "gank squads" - as regards FU/LoUD, but probably also holds true for OV as well from all I've seen - have been aimed at 2-3 player teams, coming from 6-10 accusers. If people spent as much time and effort into actually fighting us and/or thinking about how to beat us, as they did whining about how much we either 1) suck solo 2) suck at the game 3) suck buttes 4) couldn't win without "ur heavy" 5) couldn't win without "ur buffs" 6) couldn't win without "ur debuffs" (I [censored] you not), they might actually find out that we're not as good as they think we are. Then again, they might - but they wouldn't get beaten quite so hard, and so fast.
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that guy plays an ar/dev i maen COME ON thats just plain rubbish
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no u
seriously you can't even level a rad/psi yourself
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@Synaesthetix
"Here, take some more bees with you. You may need them."
Union: FU//LoUD
"that Syn is that that" - Mothers Love
I have no idea if this is relevant or not but my main is an empath and played pvp for the first time the other night in Warburg with a mate who is a grav empath troller (his first time at pvp too). We didn't know what to expect so there was a certain amount of nervous over-buffing but the first villain we met was a real sweetie and offered us a one on one match out in the sea (I died immediately) so we could see how it worked.
Mid battle a corrupter decided to flame us (literally - lots of fire effects) and attacked, calling us noobs and taking the mickey. So we killed him.
Five times.
He kept coming back and attacking us and each time of course he was facing two overbuffed/nervous empaths (the adrenalin rush in pvp by the way is amazing!). He didn't want to admit (I suspect) that he'd been mashed by us and his shouts of noob (each of the 5 times) were like a red rag to a bull with a big green aura.
Best fun and most grief I've had playing the game.
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1. Don't buff people, it's lame.
2. Stand still, being stunned while standing still would help, it'll avoid the possibility of you accidentally falling face first onto a heal button or something.
3. Die. Lots.
Do more than that and you'll tend to get whinged at a fair bit. Defenders are there to provide easy kills - everyone knows that!
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And to npcs to get debt if possible. kthx
I discovered that attacking someone by yourself when they are taking turrets is ganking them - even if they have a heavy and you don't and the turrets are neutral!
Also a Elude, insps or buffs are unfair.
It makes no difference what you do tbh - whenever you defeat anyone in a PvP zone there's a good chance they'll be taking a trip in the waaaaambulance.
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Most of the PvP I've done lately (at all in fact) is in two defender teams. Sometimes with a (PvE built) scrapper or two as well, but more often not. I honestly cannot remember the last time I was in a team which was bigger than four people in a PvP zone. We certainly don't have the sort of numbers that a couple of the villain groups we regularly fight do.
Hardly what I'd call a "fast killing death gank squad", and if it is then zone PvP has more issues than I thought it did from a teaming point of view.
A large number of people simply seem to have issues with people who play sensibly, and play to the strengths of the sets they are using, and it's absolutely nothing to do with uber builds.
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I think you have to agree that you lot have been very quiet of late. I have not really seen any of you lot pvping (in the numbers that you had in the past). Heck you have frustrated so many of my lot that when ever you were spotted would hear calls of "Octavian Vanguard in WB!!!" which would result in us trying to form a team to kill you.
I still stand by comment of death squad as nothing short of popping inspirations or some sort of tier 9 would save you once you picked a target. I would also point that killing those doing nuke runs does upset people and reason why they (wrongly) give abuse. That and what I guess is happening is not acceptable and hope it hasn't turned you away from pvp on union. I relish the chance to ummm kill you guys.
Nothing wrong with playing to your strengths but I wouldn't class running to a ship when being attacked sensible. Everyone seems to do it and would be one of the issues I would say there is with pvp.
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Max Powerz: Lv 50 Tanker
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I discovered that attacking someone by yourself when they are taking turrets is ganking them - even if they have a heavy and you don't and the turrets are neutral!
Also a Elude, insps or buffs are unfair.
It makes no difference what you do tbh - whenever you defeat anyone in a PvP zone there's a good chance they'll be taking a trip in the waaaaambulance.
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Elude is for nubz wahahahhah! plz dont turn on your toggles so my heavy can kill u easier
Its very funny to see guys like them at pvp zones
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I have my bro screaming at me run ya daft moose dont just stand there and me screaming arrrgghh im being attacked lol but i love it gives me giggles!
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Ahahah ya know me too well