The Liberation Front - Anarchist Super Team

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Because Back Alley Brawler say so!
Would you call him a lier?

His pal Blue Steel and the rest of the Regulators can vouch for it! They were there as well.

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no, there still are drugs barons, there still are terriost's, but by the same token, there are people who can survive a bomb blast, and there are distinctly unethical groups trying to control the raw powers of meta humans.

the point in the world of CoH, it's not about 3rd world farmers who can make more growing opium than corn, why take a solipsistic drug when you can become literally empowered by one of the superdyne variants? the war on traditional narcotics was relatively successful, but the superdyne and it kind mearly replaced them, so no, it didn't work, just like here.

Yes they didn't Make it up, and no the rikti haven't gone away, they still turn up every were, they had cells hidden all over for years. if they were no longer a problem, we would no longer have to combat them, Like the fifth column, they would be gone.

the point of the back ground is to give to the flavour of the game, the CIA would be out of there depth, these are global problems, the Malta are much more dangerous and competent than any real world Intelligence agency. the most of the traditional structures from our world just wouldn't be there.

as for Religious or political dissenters, I'm not saying they aren't there, but why attack someone who might vaguely disagree with you, when you are fighting something that is literally trying to exterminate you?

In the world of CoH, there are lots of people with agenda's, but they are operating on a much higher level than we would be used to, after all when do we have to account for a man that can survive a nuclear blast interfering?

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why attack someone who might vaguely disagree with you, when you are fighting something that is literally trying to exterminate you?

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Let's just say many religions extremists and nationalists believe the US of A are trying to exterminate them - or at least everything they stand for.

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In the world of CoH, there are lots of people with agenda's, but they are operating on a much higher level than we would be used to, after all when do we have to account for a man that can survive a nuclear blast interfering?

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...while I see it more like an added layer of cake. Sure, there are superheroes and supervillains - but while there are a lot of them, they aren't everywhere, thay can't deal with EVERY issue. Thus, there must be plenty of more mundane issues out there.


I realize many people like CoH as a simplistic world where SUper Heroes and Super Villains fight eachother or, occationally, Aliens. I simply want to have an added layer of complexity; as such a simplistic world makes me want to hurl. There are plenty of injustice in the world, and superheroes insist on trying to fix the symptoms (supervillains) rather than fix the actual disease (injusticves in society). Hierarchal systems create crime - and a super-hierarchal caste-system where some people Simply Are Better than others (superpeople - the new elite) creates super-crime. Doesn't mean there aren't greys. Or purples. Or reds. Black and white may be satisfying as a simplistic ideology, but Things Just Don't Work That Way.



...alternately, one can just view A-bom as a single madman, and everything he says or thinks as misconception and delusion. SO even if you hold to those black-and-white, simplistic silver-age-comicbook values, there's still room for A-bom.

Some of my responses to things said in this thread.
They are my own personal views, which may or may not be shared by you, your characters or my own characters.


Humanity stinks. The human race is a voilent race bent on domination. And it's human nature to herd together.

Individuals may be anything they like, but a group of people is usually equal to the least of it's members.. and half IQ at that.

A character in a book once said "I have no faith in human kind, I have faith in individuals".
Things like mass-hysteria, peer pressure and hooligans are great examples of this.


On equality... there is no equality, it is an illusion. You (who ever reads this) and I (the writer of this post) are not equal.
I may be smarter then you, you may be smarter then me, I may be stronger, you may be bigger, I may be male, you might be a woman. The differences mount up and we are no longer 'the same' and so no longer 'equal'.

Nice example:
I might be a carpenter, and you a farmer.
You need to have something made or fixed, so I hold power over you.
I need to be fed, so you hold power over me.
We are not equals. We will never BE equals so long as I am not you, and you are not me.


And to finish with an uplifting message..
I think there are more and more individials that are kind and benign. And as more and more of such individials appear, peer pressure will work in our advantage for once.

... OK, Ghosty is the Dali Llama reincarnated!

Repeat after me! OMMMMMMMMMMM!!!!

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Let's just say many religions extremists and nationalists believe the US of A are trying to exterminate them - or at least everything they stand for.

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yes, but not in CoH's world, the US has Just been gutted by a war of annihilation, with massive numbers of hostile troops on home soil still, they might go after Portal corp's for contacting the rikti in the first place, or America in general for that idea, but i doubt America would be as nearly as expansionist as it is now, in CoH it is rapidly loosing the need for oil for energy as it decodes rikti tech. as as so much has been destroyed it all have to be rebuilt anyway, the infrastructure change is having to happen anyway, meny of the weights on change that are preverlent in our world would just not be there.

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...while I see it more like an added layer of cake. Sure, there are superheroes and supervillains - but while there are a lot of them, they aren't everywhere, thay can't deal with EVERY issue. Thus, there must be plenty of more mundane issues out there.


I realize many people like CoH as a simplistic world where SUper Heroes and Super Villains fight eachother or, occationally, Aliens. I simply want to have an added layer of complexity; as such a simplistic world makes me want to hurl. There are plenty of injustice in the world, and superheroes insist on trying to fix the symptoms (supervillains) rather than fix the actual disease (injusticves in society). Hierarchal systems create crime - and a super-hierarchal caste-system where some people Simply Are Better than others (superpeople - the new elite) creates super-crime. Doesn't mean there aren't greys. Or purples. Or reds. Black and white may be satisfying as a simplistic ideology, but Things Just Don't Work That Way.



...alternately, one can just view A-bom as a single madman, and everything he says or thinks as misconception and delusion. SO even if you hold to those black-and-white, simplistic silver-age-comicbook values, there's still room for A-bom.

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i not saying that, i'm saying in a world were we know we are not alone (the Keldian) and were even the lowest people could produce the next "most powerful person in the planet" not because they gain political power, but because they are born with that power in them, surely a lot more of those barriers are dropping, and while we fight the people that would sustain them, we have no choice but to ignore them for the good of the world.

and some times you argue with people just to make sure they know what they are talking about

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I must be doing my job wrong then, i always assumed that i was there as a tool to facilitate THEIR learning. if anything, they have power over me.
The fact that you see something that would be to their advantage ("sit down and shut up, so you can actualy learn") as "power over them" is part of the core problem.

A little metaphore for you:
The human race as a whole is a child, its still learning, growing, trying to make itself better. and im sure you'll agree with this.
Now... if you ask a child what it would like for dinner, MOST children would say "candy".
But if a child has "candy" for dinner, it isnt going to grow up big and strong. You give the child what it needs to sustain itself.

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Humanity stinks. The human race is a voilent race bent on domination. And it's human nature to herd together.

Individuals may be anything they like, but a group of people is usually equal to the least of it's members.. and half IQ at that.

A character in a book once said "I have no faith in human kind, I have faith in individuals".
Things like mass-hysteria, peer pressure and hooligans are great examples of this.


On equality... there is no equality, it is an illusion. You (who ever reads this) and I (the writer of this post) are not equal.
I may be smarter then you, you may be smarter then me, I may be stronger, you may be bigger, I may be male, you might be a woman. The differences mount up and we are no longer 'the same' and so no longer 'equal'.

Nice example:
I might be a carpenter, and you a farmer.
You need to have something made or fixed, so I hold power over you.
I need to be fed, so you hold power over me.
We are not equals. We will never BE equals so long as I am not you, and you are not me.


And to finish with an uplifting message..
I think there are more and more individials that are kind and benign. And as more and more of such individials appear, peer pressure will work in our advantage for once.


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100% agree.

theres no point talking about "in a perfect future", we live in the present. and presently, humanity sucks.
Hell, in a "perfect future" an expansionist, millitaristic, near fascist goverment "works" in the right circumstances (ie star trek)

But theres nothing wrong with a utopian idealism, whether it be an anarchist paradise with everyone sitting about holding hands,
or (my personal utopian ideal) a strong socialist european supper power, spanning all of europe down into turkey, with nationalised industries, a strong police force, and a non-corrupt non-party government of elected representatives of the people.

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Individuals may be anything they like, but a group of people is usually equal to the least of it's members.. and half IQ at that.

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I disagree.

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A character in a book once said "I have no faith in human kind, I have faith in individuals".
Things like mass-hysteria, peer pressure and hooligans are great examples of this.


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Things like the majority of the US residents not voting for Bush is an example of the opposite.


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On equality... there is no equality, it is an illusion. You (who ever reads this) and I (the writer of this post) are not equal.
I may be smarter then you, you may be smarter then me, I may be stronger, you may be bigger, I may be male, you might be a woman. The differences mount up and we are no longer 'the same' and so no longer 'equal'.


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I disagree.
We do not need to be "the same" to be equal.

On this forum, for instance, we are all equal. I do not hold any particular power over you, and you hold no particular power over me. I don't have to do or say anything you say, and vice versa.

"Smart" and "strong" aren't always good. Gender is a social construction we need to do away with pronto.


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Nice example:
I might be a carpenter, and you a farmer.
You need to have something made or fixed, so I hold power over you.
I need to be fed, so you hold power over me.
We are not equals. We will never BE equals so long as I am not you, and you are not me.

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You seriously misunderstand power - power isn't power unless it's used. I can just as well get some other carpenter (I don't need YOU in particular), and you can just as well get your food somewhere else (You don't need ME in particular). The ultimate freedom is to say "no" and take the consequences.

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i doubt America would be as nearly as expansionist as it is now

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You doubt, yes - but is there anything on it in the canon? No.

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i not saying that, i'm saying in a world were we know we are not alone (the Keldian) and were even the lowest people could produce the next "most powerful person in the planet" not because they gain political power, but because they are born with that power in them, surely a lot more of those barriers are dropping, and while we fight the people that would sustain them, we have no choice but to ignore them for the good of the world.

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I, on the other side, seriously doubt the barriers are crumbling. I see them getting stronger.

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I must be doing my job wrong then, i always assumed that i was there as a tool to facilitate THEIR learning. if anything, they have power over me.
The fact that you see something that would be to their advantage ("sit down and shut up, so you can actualy learn") as "power over them" is part of the core problem.

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I will be the one selecting course materials. I will be the one they see as the "adult" in the classroom. I will have the power to mold them. Every teacher mold their students, every teacher brainwashes (strong word, but nevertheless) his or her students.

We influence their opinions. We have power over them. Education is never objective.

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A little metaphore for you:
The human race as a whole is a child, its still learning, growing, trying to make itself better. and im sure you'll agree with this.
Now... if you ask a child what it would like for dinner, MOST children would say "candy".
But if a child has "candy" for dinner, it isnt going to grow up big and strong. You give the child what it needs to sustain itself.

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Agreed. That's why I (as opposed to A-bom) believe that what we need and what we can do is continually try to move things in the proper direction. "Educate the world", so to speak. Right now, humanity is a child - and a child needs education in order to function as a human being in the future. The question is - what will be in that education? As I said, education is not objective.

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theres no point talking about "in a perfect future", we live in the present. and presently, humanity sucks.

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So because we don't have cake now, means we can't try to get the ingredients and the recipe to a cake in the future?

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i doubt America would be as nearly as expansionist as it is now

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You doubt, yes - but is there anything on it in the canon? No.


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Ah, is it in canon that there is coffee? Or beer? Not to my knowledge.

Is it reasonable to assume there is? Yes.

Is it reasonable to assume that a war that wrecked many countries (well, cities would be more accurate, I guess) on the globe would leave armies rather depleted?
That those armies might be pre-occupied with helping to rebuild and maintain rather then expand?

Your choice, I guess.
I'm with Cass_ on this one.

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Is it reasonable to assume that a war that wrecked many countries (well, cities would be more accurate, I guess) on the globe would leave armies rather depleted?
That those armies might be pre-occupied with helping to rebuild and maintain rather then expand?

Your choice, I guess.

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Yes, it is.

Is it reasonable to assume that a country where armies etc are seriously depleted and is low on resources, but has a good natural resource in the way of idealistic superheroes to denfend the "homeland" and a tradition of secret oragnizations to try and take over as much of other countries' natural resources as possible using stealth rather than force?

I'd say yes.

The CoHverse and the real verse became radicly different from the point of Pandora's Box being opened by States. From that point on unless its stated in the canon history, I don't consider ANY of the real world events to have taken place in the CoHverse; including the Iraq war.

Personally, I find it slightly poor taste to bring real world conflicts where people are still dying into a fantasy world created for entertainment.

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Personally, I find it slightly poor taste to bring real world conflicts where people are still dying into a fantasy world created for entertainment.

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Personally, I find it slightly poor taste to idealize patriotism and black-and-white worldviews.

Depends on what you see as "entertainment", I guess. To me, any cultural phenomenon devoid of reference to the "real world" is devoid of meaning. It's like paintings, sculpture or movies: They are at their best when they try to do more than just bring bread and circuses to the masses.

Culture, to me, isn't about mind-numbing entertainment or taking vacations from reality. Culture is a way to examine the real world, to place it in different contexts and thus understanding it better.

And besides, the differences aren't THAT radical; We still have WWII, the Cold War, the laughingstock called "The War on Drugs", we still have CIA, we (presumably) still had a lot of hippies during the 70's, a lit of yippies during the 80's, there are mobile phones and international corporations, the US is still not-really-a-democracy, they place is still rampant with nationalism and patriotism and different kinds of fascism. Without any such handles, any form of meaningful in-character conversation becomes impossible.

What you want isn't a completely different history. What you want is just an idealized version of history, where superheroes made It All Better and where supervillains are the only real problem. Sorry, but I won't agree to that particular worldview. The Silver Age of comics was a [censored] period, flat and dull as it was.



Don't get me wrong; I'm not saying you shouldn't enjoy the game any way you please. That's your right. I'm not forcing any of this down your throat. You are completely free to decide that A-bom is just a delusional madman, and that "Guantanamo" etc are just figments of his sick imagination. he says he spends time abroad fighting the US government's actions in other countries? Well, as the government aren't having any such agendas, A-bom must be mad, mustn't he?



On the other hand, I would be completely happy if people would bring up a few examples of questionable behaviour by the COH government, dirty little secrets of the CIA, etc. I'm just using real-world events because they are easy to grasp and use. Everyone knows what I mean when I say "Guantanamo Bay" - but if I say "Misharo Island" (just made it up) no-one's going to get the point.

The game isn't here for realism, it's here for escapism and fun. IMO, bringing real world events into the game just makes the whole thing depressing and isn't fair on other players. There's enough conflict in the game world without bringing in real world conflict.

EDIT: Oh, and in my 2+ years of RPing, I've brought up MANY questionable acts of various agencies in the CoH universe; no need to bring reality into it at ANY point.

Agree to disagree?

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Says who?

And what if "fun", for me, necessarily involves a certain amount of realism? What if I require "realism" in order to successfully interact with the fictions world? What if my suspension of disbelief requires some dirtiness, some connection to the ordinary world?

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IMO, bringing real world events into the game just makes the whole thing depressing and isn't fair on other players. There's enough conflict in the game world without bringing in real world conflict.

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I'm not forcing anyone. Like I said, if all you want is a pink, bunny-hopping simplistic world of black-and-white Silver Age superheroes, just regard A-bomination as a madman. I'm not trying to destroy your experience of the game. I'm just trying to find a way for me to sustain my interest. Because honestly, without a bit of realism, without that vital connection to the real world, this game would be as boring as WoW or Guild Wars. It wouldn't sustain my interest for more than a week.

And no, there isn't enough conflict in the world. Not if you mean conflict as in "there's a point in picking sides". All in-game conflicts are the same: Black and Eeeeeevil versus Shiny Good. Not much room for actual conflict of interests. Just the same mind-numbingly dull [censored] I see every day, the kind of world people apparently want to live in. Well, I don't. The world is a complex place, and that's a great thing.

I am not making the "whole thing" depressing. Just my little personal space in it. I won't try to make you depressed, and you won't try to make me shiny-go-happy, deal?

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Absolutely.

Like I've said multiple times, I'm not here to ruin anyone's experience. However, I do hope people won't try to destroy mine as well. [censored]-for-tat, as it were. Some people like genuine silver-age superheroes, some people actually like Superman and Captain America and all that jazz. I don't. I'm more of a Morrison/Millar/Moore kind of comicbook lover. I do believe there should be room for all of us.

i think the other thing thats irritating me in the "patriotic do gooders" that you are painting a lot of heroes to be.

most aren't, certainly here, most are playing heroes over from Europe. Mine is here to help wit the reconstruction of a country that got hit hardest by the war, but whom sent help in our darkest hour.

MY main character would be here out of repentance sake, not because she "believes in America" or any of that carp.

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Says who?


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The simple fact of playing a computer game set in a fictional universe says who.

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I'm not forcing anyone. Like I said, if all you want is a pink, bunny-hopping simplistic world of black-and-white Silver Age superheroes

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None of my characters are even remotely like that. Some of them have been through WAY more unpleasantness than anything going on in the real world, and I did all of it with a level of realism wholly appropriate to the genre of a computer game. None of it included bringing in any elements of reality as it's just not necessary. You'll find that NO roleplayers characters are shiney happy people living in a work of pink bunny hopping simplicity.

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And no, there isn't enough conflict in the world. Not if you mean conflict as in "there's a point in picking sides". All in-game conflicts are the same: Black and Eeeeeevil versus Shiny Good


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There's plenty of conflict available, and a lot of it is nowhere near the "black & white" level you seem to think it is. With roleplayers, when the game doesn't provide scenarios we want, we make up our own. Again, without involving the real world. We even had a large scale war last year, all without involving reality OR the game world itself. A war that resulted in some heroes killed, some with severe mental scarring. Some would see the results as depressing, but they're not REAL so we manage to avoid causing any real emotional turmoil, unlike real events that can and do.

Yes, you're entitled to enjoy the game in any way you wish, but that doesn't mean you can inflict the sad facts of reality on those playing to escape it. That's generally why we make things up, or follow the fictional storylines we're given.

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The simple fact of playing a computer game set in a fictional universe says who.

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That doesn't mean squat, actually. A computer game in a fictional universe can still connect to real-world events. In fact, I like it better when they do.

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None of my characters are even remotely like that. Some of them have been through WAY more unpleasantness than anything going on in the real world, and I did all of it with a level of realism wholly appropriate to the genre of a computer game. None of it included bringing in any elements of reality as it's just not necessary. You'll find that NO roleplayers characters are shiney happy people living in a work of pink bunny hopping simplicity.

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So because YOU feel offended (or whatever) when I draw in real-world events in MY part of the fictional universe, I should immidiately stop, because what I think elevates my game experience makes you queazy?

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There's plenty of conflict available, and a lot of it is nowhere near the "black & white" level you seem to think it is. With roleplayers, when the game doesn't provide scenarios we want, we make up our own.

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And yet, somehow, that doesn't apply to me.

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Again, without involving the real world.

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And why not? And, more importantly, why do you take offence at how I play the game? Why would you even care? Like I said, I'm not forcing any of this down your throat. I like my roleplaying experience well-connected to the real world. I do the same thing when tabletop gaming. You, obviously, don't. I'm no trying to destroy how you play the game. You, however, are obviously trying to tell me I can't play the game the way I like it.


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Some would see the results as depressing, but they're not REAL so we manage to avoid causing any real emotional turmoil, unlike real events that can and do.

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Without causing emotional turmoil, what good is it? That's what sets us apart, I think: For me, culture's merit lies in its ability to cause real, emotional turmoil. Be it love, angst, hatred, jealousy. I want to experience things, not just "play the game".

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Yes, you're entitled to enjoy the game in any way you wish, but that doesn't mean you can inflict the sad facts of reality on those playing to escape it. That's generally why we make things up, or follow the fictional storylines we're given.

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I'm not 'inflicting' anything. The only place I've mentioned real-world facts are in my own, personal blog. In-game, none of these issues have come up - nor do I plan on bringing them up. You see, I respect the way other people play the game. I don't force my own way of playing down anyone's throat. Even if I would be able to have a discussion about politics or anarchy, i'd keep it on a strictly theoretical level.

Until your character starts discussing things like Guantanamo Bay in public RP areas, at which point you are inflicting the real world on people.

Fictional (but quite possible) Scenario:

You char is in Pocket D, and talking about Guantanamo Bay; possibly ranting about terrorism and that the people in that place deserve to be there. (I don't know your opinion on this, this is a fictional scenario)

The player your talking to happens to have a relative or friend currently illegally held in Guantanamo Bay, and are playing CoH to escape their worries. You've just inflicted them back on them.


It's the chances of things like this that I think bringing the real world into the game one is a bad idea; but by all means go ahead. Personally, I'd rather not needlessly upset people.

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Until your character starts discussing things like Guantanamo Bay in public RP areas, at which point you are inflicting the real world on people.

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Now why would I do that?

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Like I said just a post or two up - wouldn't happen. If I'm not talking with someone I KNOW has the same preferences as to real-world references as I do, I don't bring up those references. It's called "being polite", or so I've heard.

Hmmm...

Let's see...

Realism vs Escapism discussion:
Not getting involved on that one...i play a shapeshifting Mad scientist who tinkers with his genetic structure on a daily basis...he has no place in the real world.

Targets for Anarchist type people:
Malta:
Black Ops is pretty much the work of Malta, they are THE shadowy government agency, they are the Men in Black. Orphaned kids are taken at an early age and trained to be proficent killers, especially when dealing with Meta's but i imagine outside their clashes with heroes and villains they're doing the standard black ops things. Plus the history on Paragon Wiki makes mention of the infamous Black helicopters so often said to be used by our worlds 'men in black'.

So if you want Conspiracy then Malta (and the Knives of Artemis (KoA) who seemed to be contracted to work with Malta) is the one to go after.

Crey:
As already mentioned they are the company who is everything every anti-globalisation protester has nightmares about, animal testing, human testing, animal-human testing, really dodgy faceless 'heroes' (paragon city protectors) who tend to be that bit more brutal and do whatever the company tells them, even if it's actually quite nasty.

The Council:
Fascists (not Nazi's like the 5th Column but fascists (Nazi we're a specific party, not a catch-all term for those of similar beliefs)) who do evil and rather nasty experiments...need i say more?

As an Anarchist surely these are bit more high up on your 'todo' list than the American government, even if it was really doing nasty things...it's doing it through Malta and the KoA, so they'd be the ones to go after.

State of the nation:
With the government in a state of dissary after the Ritki war. Just go take a look at Faultline, though progress has been made (changing from a Hazard zone to a City zone) it's still pretty much a disaster area. The Hollows is another one, the city just hasn't got the funds or the manpower to take the area back from the gangs and make them liveable again (as shown by the understaffed and underarmed police in the hollows, who are pretty much pinned down to the entrance to Atlas park).

The fact that gangs, both mostly super-powered (Trolls) and mostly not (Skulls, Hellions and Warriors), rampaging cybernetic behemoths of destruction (Freakshow), a circus which SUCKS SOULS (Carnival of shadows) are the ones genuinely trying to destroy order so THEY are the terrorists in this world, for one there's just so damn many of them and no matter how many you arrest, they just keep coming.

Those who lack superpowers themselves often feel very bitter towards those who do so turn to cybernetics, making deals with demons, Superadine or selling their soul to be a man locked inside a helmet for the rest of their lives in order to feel that they too are 'somebody' people fear them and that makes them feel better about themselves. Lets face it locking yourself inside a Bronze/Iron/Steel helm for the rest of your life is a pretty big commitment to make in order to feel better about yourself and only the desperate would resort to such a tactic.

They ARE the people who feel oppressed not because they feel they have been marginilized by society (to quote Terry Pratchet, "Black and White isn't a problem when you're both teaming up on Green") but because they feel insecure about not being able to feel like they're worth something in society, whether it be awe or fear, it nolonger matters when they reach the state of signing to one of the many gangs.

An army of Freakshow can reduce large city blocks to rubble in a couple of hours, causing rampaging fires to run riot, destroy more property than a hurricane hitting the city, steal the stuff they don't blow up, knock the PPD senseless and even give Longbow a hard time...these are the people who hate the government, they are the people who blow up buildings, cost the lives of Civilians, Police Officers and heroes alike, they are the terrorists of the CoX world.

If you want Religous nutjobs we've got that covered too, The Luddites in CoV are anti-technology quasi-religious group, though they do attempt mostly peaceful protests until a villain stumbles in and tries to knock them silly. Circle of Thorns, they deal with demons...enough said.

So Terrorism is a threat yes, but when you've got gangs that can gather into a rather large army and that can turn several square miles of city block to rubble within an hour, a single bomb really doesn't hold as much terror as it does in our world.

In short: Yes terrorism exists in the CoX world, it's an ugly fact but it's done by those who either seek to prove themselves to their peers in various gangs or by the gang enmasse (Skyway Rave style).

So i doubt there's a place to keep those who seek to 'destroy the american way of life' since pretty much every punk you fight is looking to do that, super-powered or not!

phew...that was a long one...

Bravo Doc! Very well put!

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