The Liberation Front - Anarchist Super Team
By
Big_Lunk_EU,
Posted on: 2007-06-06 19:29 in Roleplaying
fair point, it hasn't been a one-sided earbashing against Krank.
Could i atleast force him to sit in the comfy chair though?
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A-bom hasn't yet been connected to the politician-killing or the blowing up of companies... So apparently he's been able to get away with it. If seen from a strictly in-game point of view.
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Like I said - the police seem happy to work with him, so apparently noone has connected him to anything.
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Aaaah, so you do things in RP, and so long as the game maintanes status quo (which it will) there are no concequences?
See here an other example that ICA=ICC does not work.
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Cool, so you will Just god-mod your way out. nice.
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looks that way
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I'm heckishly good at... Gah, the name eludes me... the game played in Sandman etc, where you create/turn yourself into/verbally describe stuff and the point is to make up something the other can't top... (You know, my snake eats your puppy - well, my elephant stept on your snake).
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Most people have such flange sense things because they make sense.
If you make the counters up on the spot... well, they may still make sense... but is rather poor show.
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Of course, if some player seriously wanted to make A-bom go away from Paragon city for a few months, they could, of course, confront him, or spread the word in-game, or make up a story where they get on A-boms trail. But that would be seriously un-nice.
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To confront him IC, there'd have to be IC plausible reasons to.
Same goes for the story.
As for spreading the word in-game? What in-game are you referring to? It's not possible to spread enough word in-game to make playing it hard, especially not with RP reasons.
If you mean RP crowds in-game... well... I don't think that'll have much if any effect, as again, it would need IC knowledge and the others would have to believe it and act on it. I doubt any RP crowd you would interact with would do much with such a thing.
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All I see is a fairly polite discussion on what would and wouldn't be gotten away with.
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The thing is, some people want to play Punisher / Spiderman level of characters, others want to be Avengers or Galactus. In the comics, Punisher gets away with his antics, because no one puts a Thor in his trail. Sure, in CoX universe everything can connect to anything else, and your Thor can get involved with someone else's Spiderman. But that only happens when players invite the interference.
In here, if you put Uber level hero on the crimescene, who can pinpoint the location of the perp from the orbit, sure the A-bom would get caught. But the question really is, why would the Uber hero be there? There's tons of crimes happening all over, scientist, journalists and politicians kidnapped and killed left and right, why this particular one? In real world there is some amazing coincedences and chances, but in the game world, you cannot accidently stumble into HIS crime scene, because it only exists in his imagination. And unless he invites others to participate, we cannot intrude to it. So yes, IMO he certainly can get away with it. If he'd be bragging about it IC in PD, then it'd be different story, but he isn't.
Plus he's hardly the only nor worst of the licensed heroes or vigilantes who walk around killing people.
Hence why I asked why mention it, if he doesn't want it actioned, and will never mention it in a public RP area.
Generally, people mention things about their characters in here because they want people to take an interest, and maybe even interact IC regarding the information. As it appears Krank does NOT want that, mentioning it seems to serve little point.
@FloatingFatMan
Do not go gentle into that good night.
Rage, rage against the dying of the light.
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Depends on what you see as "entertainment", I guess. To me, any cultural phenomenon devoid of reference to the "real world" is devoid of meaning. It's like paintings, sculpture or movies: They are at their best when they try to do more than just bring bread and circuses to the masses.
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Regarding real world vs. make believe. I, too, believe that art that makes people think or feel is the most precious. Sometimes the art can be violent and explicit and upsetting. For example, personally, reading The Color Purple was such experience.
CoX by default is escapinist and quite light entertainment, even if the game content alone features fascists, cultists, soul-eaters, kidnappers, genetic experiments, drugs, demon worship, you name it. But these are handled in casual, B-grade action filler style. We don't get ideological debates about fascism, or aftermath of being kidnapped and almost your soul sucked out.
The players add their own content in their storylines, generally featuring all the missing meaningful stuff, coated with loads of angst and drama. The relevance to real world issues varies between players, some dislike any mentions of RL problems and prefer everything to be distanced into make-believe. Which in most cases simply means renaming the RL issues to your own invented names.
For me, keeping the sense of immersion is quite important, and mentions of Iraq or such might break my immersion and make me think of the RL issues from RL point of view, not my characters. But on the other hand, you can never know what issues do that for other people and if you get paranoid about it, you can talk about nothing but weather, and even that in short sentences.
From the sounds of it, you (Krank) got quite level-headed approach on discussing these subjects ingame, and what you post in your blog is your own business. But when dealing with highly provocative issues like this, a little distancing is often good and you might get more people interested of it. If you talk about imaginary prison camp, people can think of it without getting defensive reaction of the real world name and the weight of already existing opinions and feelings of it.
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One question I'd like to ask though. If it's not something you ever want to bring up IC, why mention it? I understand you want some backstory there and of course that's perfectly fine, but with things like this, generally people mention it because they DO want to do something with it in-game.
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Because it's related to the stuff A-bom criticizes in his Blog?
Really, I wasn't planning on outing his extracurricular activities, but it happened. They're an important piece of information if one is interested in A-bom as a character on a meta-level...
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Generally, people mention things about their characters in here because they want people to take an interest, and maybe even interact IC regarding the information. As it appears Krank does NOT want that, mentioning it seems to serve little point.
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Well, it's probably because I'm not "people". I'm "me"...
I like having both a "meta" level, in which I as a reader can read the Bio's of villains and heroes in the comic book, and a "immersion" level read the comic book itself. I read bios to get a better grip on how the character "feels", but I disregard that info when I'm actually reading the comic.
I'm also mostly unaware when it comes to what passes as "standard" RP behaviour in CoX. I'm, drawing from my own experiences of comic books and tabletop roleplaying, and that's about it. I'm slowly realizing there are more or less "standardized" ways of doing things regarding RP in CoH.
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From the sounds of it, you (Krank) got quite level-headed approach on discussing these subjects ingame, and what you post in your blog is your own business. But when dealing with highly provocative issues like this, a little distancing is often good and you might get more people interested of it. If you talk about imaginary prison camp, people can think of it without getting defensive reaction of the real world name and the weight of already existing opinions and feelings of it.
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I like how you think, and I hadn't even comnsidered that adding real-world stuff could actually break immersion for people. I thank you for the pointer, as it hadn't really occurred to me...
previously, I was only going to be careful because I didn't want to upset people who didn't want to become upset (I do that quite enough on forums and in real life), but now I got two reasons to be discreet with any real-world references =)
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I'm also mostly unaware when it comes to what passes as "standard" RP behaviour in CoX. I'm, drawing from my own experiences of comic books and tabletop roleplaying, and that's about it. I'm slowly realizing there are more or less "standardized" ways of doing things regarding RP in CoH.
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There's more than one "standards" of RP here, just to make it more confusing ^^. Don't worry, it can't be that hard since I've managed fine too. Regards you talking about your character in meta level.... There's a big group of roleplayers who just love to talk about their characters and RPing (I'm one 
) without meaning that information to become IC or lead to IC consequences just like that. I generally try to keep big stuff about my characters secret OOCly as well if they are IC unknown, after having few bad experiences with other godmodding the hell out of me based on their OOC knowledge.
To change a subject a little, I saw you mention somewhere earlier how Punisher is watered down lately, and I was curious if you were refering to MAX, or have read those at all. I just read them not so long ago and thought they were quite excellent.
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I generally try to keep big stuff about my characters secret OOCly as well if they are IC unknown, after having few bad experiences with other godmodding the hell out of me based on their OOC knowledge.
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Good advice - why risk your own hands when you can learn just as well by seeing someone else's horribly deformed and burned hands? =)
...and how do you know there aren't _bigger_ stuff I've not even mentioned yet? =)
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To change a subject a little, I saw you mention somewhere earlier how Punisher is watered down lately, and I was curious if you were refering to MAX, or have read those at all. I just read them not so long ago and thought they were quite excellent.
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Eheh... By "lately" I mean a bit further down the road than that... Can't remember the name, but around when Punisher was first introduced, I remember him being written by a real conspiracy-survivalist nutcase. Punisher has been quite crazy over the years, but those comics, for instance, saw him gunning down a bunch of children, afterwards stating something like "this war is getting dirtier... now Kingpin is sending children against me" (not exact quote, translated from memory of a swedish comic book I don't own).
Haven't read the MAX ones, but my Punisher-loving friends assure me it's rather good. Not much of a Punisher fan myself, really =)
What Spanish Inquisition? All I see is a fairly polite discussion on what would and wouldn't be gotten away with.
@FloatingFatMan
Do not go gentle into that good night.
Rage, rage against the dying of the light.