Flash Arrow at higher lvls?


Blue_Note

 

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A bit of advice needed from the higher level archers amongst you. I'm about to hit lvl 33 with my TA/Arch Def, and am finding that I'm using Entangling Arrow less and less.

Is it worth respecing in Flash Arrow and using it as part of my Debuff chain, or can Entangling Arrow be made useful at higher levels through some slot trickery? I've never used Flash Arrow as I always found Entangling flying oponents more useful at low levels, so my experience with it is extremely limited!

Any advice appreciated!


Formerly @Crimson Archer, now @CA
The Militia - Protecting Paragon City through roleplaying since June 2006!

 

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I'm speaking as a level 50 Bots/TA mastermind...

Personally I can't do without either!

Entangle arrow I actually started to find useful vs pesky EB's/AV's - it stops them running around (at least when they are vulnerable to immobs) and it actually has a small -recharge debuff (IIRC) that stacks with glue arrow.

As you say, it also has its place vs. fliers.


Flash Arrow, however, is marginally better. The -acc debuff is unimpressive, at best (although everything helps). It may take the edge of incoming damage, but don't expect significant protection.

HOWEVER, I am noticing a significant trend in both CoX game and in when there is a team-wipe. Its called engaging two groups at once. Sometimes this is sloppy, but more an more often its due to ambushes or triggered spawns. And I can tell you a -perception debuff is an absolute life saver at this point.

I dont know if that helps but you may wish to ponder and reflect. My own observation is once you get into the 30's, people are generally pretty slick and have a shed load of ways to incapacitate / arrest enemies. Team wipes (even individual deaths) tend to only occur when you get too close to that second group. A flash arrow can really save your bacon at that point.

-perception is becoming one of my favourite debuffs. My plant dominator often teams with a /TA mastermind, and I can tell you its a lethal combo. THe Flash Arrow allows me to sneak right up to a mob and let loose a perfect seeds of confusion. Things would be a lot harder without that -percep.


 

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Theres nothing i can say that Cognito hasnt.
Should consider having both flash and entangling arrow


@Inkwave ..(darn merge)

 

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I prefer entangling arrow. I use it with glue to keep mobs in the AoE debuffs. I used to have Flash and found that people thought i was attacking when i used it and one or two charged in too their deaths lol...


 

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I prefer entangling arrow. I use it with glue to keep mobs in the AoE debuffs. I used to have Flash and found that people thought i was attacking when i used it and one or two charged in too their deaths lol...

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That is, it must be said, a problem.

One quite open to remedy, in farirness.


 

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I prefer entangling arrow. I use it with glue to keep mobs in the AoE debuffs. I used to have Flash and found that people thought i was attacking when i used it and one or two charged in too their deaths lol...

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That's a similar problem to Smoke from Fire Control. People see you waving your hands at the enemy, wreathed in flame and think you've magically locked them down so they're safe. Most players eventually learn, although it can take repeated explanations. At least the effects for Flash arrow aren't as subtle as Smoke, and it should take less explaining


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At least the effects for Flash arrow aren't as subtle as Smoke, and it should take less explaining

[/ QUOTE ]Then again, the huge explosion really doesn't look like a "no aggro" power.


 

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Indeed, flash arrow much more looks like a cue to attack to the unknown. I used to have a bind on my TA troller telling ppl not to engage as i was just smoking them

And i agree on the usefullness of flash arrow/smoke. i have it on all my fire trollers/domis and the TA troller and MM and albeit arguably on the edge of being ditched for another power i've kep them all the way and have found it usefull on many occasions.


 

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Actually, I tended to use Flash Arrow when I was in one of those PUGs where no one wants to attack first!

Entangling Arrow I use sometimes in AV fights and for -fly.


I really should do something about this signature.

 

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Actually, I tended to use Flash Arrow when I was in one of those PUGs where no one wants to attack first!


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hehe


 

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I prefer entangling arrow. I use it with glue to keep mobs in the AoE debuffs. I used to have Flash and found that people thought i was attacking when i used it and one or two charged in too their deaths lol...

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That's a similar problem to Smoke from Fire Control. People see you waving your hands at the enemy, wreathed in flame and think you've magically locked them down so they're safe. Most players eventually learn, although it can take repeated explanations. At least the effects for Flash arrow aren't as subtle as Smoke, and it should take less explaining

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Less explaining ?
In thoose sweet Pugs you can explain that 3-5 Times and be sure they dont get it and start Blasting and running after each Booooom, no matter what you say

But anyway, i love him, as many told, its an Lifesafer for Adds and close standing 2. Spawns.

Braddack


 

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I'm coming to the conclusion that Flash Arrow might actually be MORE useful at higher levels, both for a thriple slotted accuracy/perception debuff and as a signal to the rest of the team.

Grappling Arrow is definately not getting the look in on team play as it once was. It's still useful in solo play, but I think that having Flash Arrow is starting to stretch the lead slightly for a more team oriented, 30+ character.


Formerly @Crimson Archer, now @CA
The Militia - Protecting Paragon City through roleplaying since June 2006!

 

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Hmm, i dont Think so.
Grapping Arrow is also an very powerfull and usefull Tool in my Quiever.

Take thoose dark Purple Mob who´s Normaly Rampages trough your Team, shot 2 Grapping Arrows at him and your Team "can" retreat if needed. An good Scrapper always like this if he can go back to get an Break when he fight.
Flyers *smiles* whats that ?
Escaping Mobs ? no Problem.
As an Ta you know all that Stuff and surly know how usefull it is if youre be able to lock an Mob in Position

Braddack


 

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Flash Arrow is AoE.

Grappling Arrow is single target.

Draw your own conclusions as to which is more useful in a big mob / big team


 

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Holy... me and my bad English, exuse, i shoudnt write here at late Times.
didnt catch the " more" usefull vomment.


Braddack


 

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Flash Arrow and Smoke have one major downside. If nothing grabs the aggro once a group has been flashed and attacked, you are the first person they are going to attack. Which usually ends with you face down.