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WS rocks!

Blue_Yin_EU

By Blue_Yin_EU,
Posted on: 2006-09-07 21:52 in Kheldians

 

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Just had some great experiences with my newbie WS (13 now), and I have to say it absolutely takes the biscuit.

8-man team - Tank goes in - I go: Human form - shield up - tp into clumped mobs - Sunless Mire - Nova Form - back up a bit - AoE goodness. Heavens to Betsy!

I love the complexity too, loads to ponder and get your teeth into. It's taking me back to the days when I first got into my main and had to read up minutely about all the powers and weigh up the pros and cons of this v. that.

Well done devs!

 

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Just had some great experiences with my newbie WS (13 now), and I have to say it absolutely takes the biscuit.

8-man team - Tank goes in - I go: Human form - shield up - tp into clumped mobs - Sunless Mire - Nova Form - back up a bit - AoE goodness. Heavens to Betsy!

I love the complexity too, loads to ponder and get your teeth into. It's taking me back to the days when I first got into my main and had to read up minutely about all the powers and weigh up the pros and cons of this v. that.

Well done devs!

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hehehe...

wait until you get to Double Mire/Eclipse THEN use Nova Form (even in Mother Mayhems face, without a problem)...

... hehehe... you ain't see half of it yet

 

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My Warshade just reached 22 and got Stygian Circle.......wow!

This AT is so versatile and interesting that it's a joy to play, so different from my Kat/Regen scrapper (he was fun but very straight-forward).

I thought after I hit 50 I would have time for all my other alts, but I just can't stop playing with the 'shade

The only problem is the lack of enhancement slots..........

 

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I just couldn't get on with mine, I deleted her in the late 20's and remade, then I deleted her again at 16 and turned her into a dark/dark defender

I do like my PB though. Strange that I can't get on with a WS. Oh well.

 

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I just couldn't get on with mine, I deleted her in the late 20's and remade, then I deleted her again at 16 and turned her into a dark/dark defender

I do like my PB though. Strange that I can't get on with a WS. Oh well.

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Same.. when I first made mine back in i3, it took me 7 attempts and I couldn't get the hang of it.. so I made a WS (8th time over) and left it. Made a PB instead and found it was easier to manage. Come i6 me and my GF teamed to 50 with her WS and my Controller.. so I had a better understanding of them, and how to cope with things.

After that, I started on my WS again, and eventually got it to 50, before issue 7.

Some people can jump into them easily, others it takes time.

 

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*strokes purpleballofwhirlingdeathmachine*

Soon...soon..ill let u out again

 

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*strokes purpleballofwhirlingdeathmachine*

Soon...soon..ill let u out again

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<.<

>.>

I get concerned when she does that... means I've got a hell of a lot of healing to do again... (or she's decided to do more TFs, which means the troller will get a new healing badge .. considering I got all mine just from her!)

 

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Just 'pull a Lisa'.

WSs FTW!

@Double

Double Flame 50 fire/devices
Double Shade 50 tri-form warshade
Double Light 50 dwarf-human peacebringer
Double Control 50 earth/rad

 

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Just 'pull a Lisa'.

WSs FTW!

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hmmm I've seen the "pull a lisa" in it's 'early' stages, before she got it right.. it ain't pretty.

 

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I just couldn't get on with mine, I deleted her in the late 20's and remade, then I deleted her again at 16 and turned her into a dark/dark defender

I do like my PB though. Strange that I can't get on with a WS. Oh well.

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Same here unless im doing somthing wrong, I respected at I7 (because he was lvl 27). I got rid of Nova to squishy also takes to much slotting because i swaped it for Dwarf form because the way i want my build to go is Full Human With Dwarf to tank & extra buff & heal then back to human form when buff wares off that way your buffs are allmost Perm (I have hasten).
Because i got rid of Nova i had trouble traveling, 1 - TP Drains End badly even with stamina (which i also have) also i have a habit of falling out of the sky lol ! So what i did was get the leaping P Pool that way i could travel fast + combat jump = extra Defence & Acrobatics YAY no more knockback .
I got every sheild exept the Fir/Cold Dmg 1 (forgot the name) - slots 3 defence 1 End. But by doing that i had to drop some of my attacks which was ok when in a team but suffered slightly Solo, the main attacks i went for where the holds & AOE Attacks, after all WS is more of a controler compared to the PB.
The only problem i have now is he sucks at PVP has good defence but lacks the attacking power atm.
I'm sorry i have no build to post but i dont have 1 i used a heeeerrro/villian planner.
I hope this makes sence & is helpfull to any 1 who reads. NOTE! this is my personal oppinion i could be & might be wrong but it works for me.

 

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Just wanted to add: WS has a lot less problems with slots than PB in my opinion IF it's build as a shapeshifter.

In the end if you go Dwarf Mire-Eclipse-Mire-Nova Form (or quasar every few minutes)slotting is easy. Just toy along to Lv6 then throw everything into the Nova Form (3 AccBuff, 3 EndMod) and the Novas AoEs (3 Dam 3 Rech) & sinlge targets (3 Dam) along with a few chosen recharges in Hasten, Mire and you're there.

In the 20s some DamRes in the dwarf and recharges and 1-2 Acc in the mire plus a recharge in stygian and you're fine. If you've done just that, from 32 on you first be 6slotting the pets, then Quasar, then Eclipse and you'll be a teaming miracle from 39 on.

Plus Pool Powers like superspeed or the Shadow Cloak from the secondary are your friend cause they don't need slotting to work out. Plus you'll be fully stealthed for TFs and have port. Talk about speeding up the FBZ TFs...!

I had no slotting problems with mine...

Although: WS is one of the most fun, challenging and interesting archetypes, but before 32 (the pets ease is a little) it is almost un-soloable if build it like mentioned above.

Spirit of Strife
Level: 50
Archetype: Warshade
Primary: Umbral Blast
Secondary: Umbral Aura
---------------------------------------------
01) --> Shadow Bolt==> Acc(1)
01) --> Absorption==> DmgRes(1)
02) --> Gravity Shield==> DmgRes(2)
04) --> Orbiting Death==> Acc(4) Dmg(5) Dmg(5)
06) --> Dark Nova==> EndMod(6) EndMod(13) TH_Buf(25) TH_Buf(27) EndMod(31) TH_Buf(46)
08) --> Hasten==> Rechg(8) Rechg(25) Rechg(31)
10) --> Shadow Blast==> Acc(10)
12) --> Sunless Mire==> Rechg(12) Rechg(13) Acc(31) Rechg(48)
14) --> Shadow Cloak==> EndRdx(14)
16) --> Swift==> Run(16)
18) --> Gravity Well==> Acc(18) Rechg(19) Rechg(19) Rechg(34) Hold(40) Hold(46)
20) --> Black Dwarf==> DmgRes(20) DmgRes(21) DmgRes(21) EndMod(43) EndMod(43)
22) --> Stygian Circle==> Rechg(22) Rechg(27)
24) --> Nebulous Form==> EndRdx(24)
26) --> Health==> Heal(26)
28) --> Stamina==> EndMod(28)
30) --> Super Speed==> EndRdx(30)
32) --> Dark Extraction==> Rechg(32) Rechg(33) Rechg(33) Dmg(33) Dmg(34) Acc(34)
35) --> Quasar==> Dmg(35) Dmg(36) Dmg(36) Rechg(36) Rechg(37) Rechg(37)
38) --> Eclipse==> Rechg(38) Rechg(39) Rechg(39) Acc(39) DmgRes(40) DmgRes(40)
41) --> Starless Step==> Acc(41)
44) --> Stygian Return==> Rechg(44)
47) --> Ebon Eye==> Acc(47)
49) --> Hurdle==> Empty(49)
---------------------------------------------
01) --> Power Rush==> Empty(1)
01) --> Sprint==> Empty(1)
01) --> Brawl==> Empty(1)
01) --> Shadow Step==> Range(1) Range(3) Range(3)
01) --> Dark Sustenance==> Empty(1)
02) --> Rest==> Empty(2)
10) --> Shadow Recall==> Empty(10)
---------------------------------------------
06) --> Dark Nova Blast==> Dmg(6) Dmg(48) Dmg(50)
06) --> Dark Nova Bolt==> Dmg(6) Dmg(29) Dmg(29) Rechg(37) Rechg(46)
06) --> Dark Nova Detonation==> Dmg(6) Dmg(7) Rechg(9) Dmg(11) Rechg(15) Rechg(17)
06) --> Dark Nova Emmanation==> Dmg(6) Dmg(7) Rechg(9) Dmg(11) Rechg(15) Rechg(17)
20) --> Black Dwarf Strike==> Acc(20)
20) --> Black Dwarf Smite==> Acc(20) Dmg(42) Rechg(42) Rechg(43) Dmg(50)
20) --> Black Dwarf Mire==> Rechg(20) Rechg(23) Acc(23) Rechg(42) Acc(48)
20) --> Black Dwarf Drain==> Acc(20) Heal(45) Heal(45) Rechg(45) Rechg(50)
20) --> Black Dwarf Step==> EndRdx(20)
20) --> Black Dwarf Antagonize==> Acc(20)
---------------------------------------------

Full Guide to this Build can be found here (albeit in German, the official language that "sounds exactly like shouting at someone" as described by south americans):

WS Build

 

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Although: WS is one of the most fun, challenging and interesting archetypes, but before 32 (the pets ease is a little) it is almost un-soloable if build it like mentioned above.

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It's just as soloable as most Blaster builds if you keep a Nova focus. In fact, you'll probably be out-DPSing most Blasters at the same level. Whether that is enough depends on your playstyle.

 

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Although: WS is one of the most fun, challenging and interesting archetypes, but before 32 (the pets ease is a little) it is almost un-soloable if build it like mentioned above.

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You think it's hard with *that* build, try it with this one

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Exported from Ver: 1.7.6.0 of the CoH_CoV Character Builder - (http://sherksilver.coldfront.net/index.php)
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Name: Negative Energy
Level: 50
Archetype: Warshade
Primary: Umbral Blast
Secondary: Umbral Aura
---------------------------------------------
01) --> Shadow Bolt==> EndRdx(1) Acc(3) Dmg(13) Dmg(15) Dmg(17) Rechg(21)
01) --> Absorption==> DmgRes(1) DmgRes(19) DmgRes(50)
02) --> Gravity Shield==> EndRdx(2) DmgRes(3) DmgRes(5) DmgRes(5)
04) --> Gravimetric Snare==> EndRdx(4) Acc(7) Dmg(7) Dmg(29) Dmg(31) Immob(31)
06) --> Shadow Blast==> EndRdx(6) Acc(9) Dmg(9) Dmg(11) Dmg(11) Rechg(23)
08) --> Hurdle==> Jump(8)
10) --> Hasten==> Rechg(10) Rechg(13) Rechg(15)
12) --> Sunless Mire==> Acc(12) Rechg(17) Rechg(19) Rechg(21)
14) --> Shadow Cloak==> EndRdx(14)
16) --> Swift==> Run(16)
18) --> Gravity Well==> EndRdx(18) Acc(23) Dmg(25) Dmg(25) Hold(27) Hold(27)
20) --> Stamina==> EndMod(20) EndMod(29) EndMod(46)
22) --> Starless Step==> Acc(22)
24) --> Super Speed==> EndRdx(24)
26) --> Gravity Emanation==> EndRdx(26) Acc(33) DisDur(33) DisDur(33) DisDur(46) Rechg(48)
28) --> Dark Matter Detonation==> EndRdx(28) Acc(31) Dmg(34) Dmg(34) Dmg(34) Rechg(36)
30) --> Inky Aspect==> EndRdx(30) Acc(36) DisDur(37) DisDur(37) DisDur(46)
32) --> Dark Extraction==> Rechg(32) Rechg(37) Rechg(39) Acc(39) Dmg(39) Dmg(40)
35) --> Stygian Circle==> EndRdx(35) Rechg(40) Heal(48) EndMod(48)
38) --> Eclipse==> Acc(38) Acc(40) Acc(42) Rechg(45) Rechg(45) Rechg(45)
41) --> Unchain Essence==> EndRdx(41) Acc(42) Dmg(42) Dmg(43) Dmg(43) Rechg(43)
44) --> Combat Jumping==> EndRdx(44)
47) --> Super Jump==> Jump(47)
49) --> Acrobatics==> EndRdx(49)
---------------------------------------------
01) --> Sprint==> EndRdx(1)
01) --> Brawl==> Acc(1)
01) --> Rest==> Rechg(1)
01) --> Shadow Step==> EndRdx(1) Range(36) Range(50) Range(50)
10) --> Shadow Recall==> Range(10)
01) --> Power Slide==> Empty(1)
01) --> Dark Sustenance==> Empty(1)
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0-50 in just under 6 months.

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Although: WS is one of the most fun, challenging and interesting archetypes, but before 32 (the pets ease is a little) it is almost un-soloable if build it like mentioned above.

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You think it's hard with *that* build, try it with this one

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Exported from Ver: 1.7.6.0 of the CoH_CoV Character Builder - (http://sherksilver.coldfront.net/index.php)
---------------------------------------------
Name: Negative Energy
Level: 50
Archetype: Warshade
Primary: Umbral Blast
Secondary: Umbral Aura
---------------------------------------------
01) --> Shadow Bolt==> EndRdx(1) Acc(3) Dmg(13) Dmg(15) Dmg(17) Rechg(21)
01) --> Absorption==> DmgRes(1) DmgRes(19) DmgRes(50)
02) --> Gravity Shield==> EndRdx(2) DmgRes(3) DmgRes(5) DmgRes(5)
04) --> Gravimetric Snare==> EndRdx(4) Acc(7) Dmg(7) Dmg(29) Dmg(31) Immob(31)
06) --> Shadow Blast==> EndRdx(6) Acc(9) Dmg(9) Dmg(11) Dmg(11) Rechg(23)
08) --> Hurdle==> Jump(8)
10) --> Hasten==> Rechg(10) Rechg(13) Rechg(15)
12) --> Sunless Mire==> Acc(12) Rechg(17) Rechg(19) Rechg(21)
14) --> Shadow Cloak==> EndRdx(14)
16) --> Swift==> Run(16)
18) --> Gravity Well==> EndRdx(18) Acc(23) Dmg(25) Dmg(25) Hold(27) Hold(27)
20) --> Stamina==> EndMod(20) EndMod(29) EndMod(46)
22) --> Starless Step==> Acc(22)
24) --> Super Speed==> EndRdx(24)
26) --> Gravity Emanation==> EndRdx(26) Acc(33) DisDur(33) DisDur(33) DisDur(46) Rechg(48)
28) --> Dark Matter Detonation==> EndRdx(28) Acc(31) Dmg(34) Dmg(34) Dmg(34) Rechg(36)
30) --> Inky Aspect==> EndRdx(30) Acc(36) DisDur(37) DisDur(37) DisDur(46)
32) --> Dark Extraction==> Rechg(32) Rechg(37) Rechg(39) Acc(39) Dmg(39) Dmg(40)
35) --> Stygian Circle==> EndRdx(35) Rechg(40) Heal(48) EndMod(48)
38) --> Eclipse==> Acc(38) Acc(40) Acc(42) Rechg(45) Rechg(45) Rechg(45)
41) --> Unchain Essence==> EndRdx(41) Acc(42) Dmg(42) Dmg(43) Dmg(43) Rechg(43)
44) --> Combat Jumping==> EndRdx(44)
47) --> Super Jump==> Jump(47)
49) --> Acrobatics==> EndRdx(49)
---------------------------------------------
01) --> Sprint==> EndRdx(1)
01) --> Brawl==> Acc(1)
01) --> Rest==> Rechg(1)
01) --> Shadow Step==> EndRdx(1) Range(36) Range(50) Range(50)
10) --> Shadow Recall==> Range(10)
01) --> Power Slide==> Empty(1)
01) --> Dark Sustenance==> Empty(1)
---------------------------------------------
---------------------------------------------

0-50 in just under 6 months.

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WWW thats scary because thats exactly what my build is exept i only have hasten from the p pool, also i diddnt bother slotting recharge on any attacks i slot 2Acc 3Dmg (1 End Mod Where Needed). Even though im not 50 yet i thing im on the wright lines now (after respecing twice). I was going to go Tri Form but taking into consideration all the slotts needed for the Nova + Dwarf will take alot of slots away either from your Primary attacks or Secondary shields, me personally i have to have 3Dmg Resistance on every shield, 2Acc + 3Dmg on every attack.
Most Usless Power Ever :-Orbiting Death !

 

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Although: WS is one of the most fun, challenging and interesting archetypes, but before 32 (the pets ease is a little) it is almost un-soloable if build it like mentioned above.

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You think it's hard with *that* build, try it with this one

---------------------------------------------
Exported from Ver: 1.7.6.0 of the CoH_CoV Character Builder - (http://sherksilver.coldfront.net/index.php)
---------------------------------------------
Name: Negative Energy
Level: 50
Archetype: Warshade
Primary: Umbral Blast
Secondary: Umbral Aura
---------------------------------------------
01) --> Shadow Bolt==> EndRdx(1) Acc(3) Dmg(13) Dmg(15) Dmg(17) Rechg(21)
01) --> Absorption==> DmgRes(1) DmgRes(19) DmgRes(50)
02) --> Gravity Shield==> EndRdx(2) DmgRes(3) DmgRes(5) DmgRes(5)
04) --> Gravimetric Snare==> EndRdx(4) Acc(7) Dmg(7) Dmg(29) Dmg(31) Immob(31)
06) --> Shadow Blast==> EndRdx(6) Acc(9) Dmg(9) Dmg(11) Dmg(11) Rechg(23)
08) --> Hurdle==> Jump(8)
10) --> Hasten==> Rechg(10) Rechg(13) Rechg(15)
12) --> Sunless Mire==> Acc(12) Rechg(17) Rechg(19) Rechg(21)
14) --> Shadow Cloak==> EndRdx(14)
16) --> Swift==> Run(16)
18) --> Gravity Well==> EndRdx(18) Acc(23) Dmg(25) Dmg(25) Hold(27) Hold(27)
20) --> Stamina==> EndMod(20) EndMod(29) EndMod(46)
22) --> Starless Step==> Acc(22)
24) --> Super Speed==> EndRdx(24)
26) --> Gravity Emanation==> EndRdx(26) Acc(33) DisDur(33) DisDur(33) DisDur(46) Rechg(48)
28) --> Dark Matter Detonation==> EndRdx(28) Acc(31) Dmg(34) Dmg(34) Dmg(34) Rechg(36)
30) --> Inky Aspect==> EndRdx(30) Acc(36) DisDur(37) DisDur(37) DisDur(46)
32) --> Dark Extraction==> Rechg(32) Rechg(37) Rechg(39) Acc(39) Dmg(39) Dmg(40)
35) --> Stygian Circle==> EndRdx(35) Rechg(40) Heal(48) EndMod(48)
38) --> Eclipse==> Acc(38) Acc(40) Acc(42) Rechg(45) Rechg(45) Rechg(45)
41) --> Unchain Essence==> EndRdx(41) Acc(42) Dmg(42) Dmg(43) Dmg(43) Rechg(43)
44) --> Combat Jumping==> EndRdx(44)
47) --> Super Jump==> Jump(47)
49) --> Acrobatics==> EndRdx(49)
---------------------------------------------
01) --> Sprint==> EndRdx(1)
01) --> Brawl==> Acc(1)
01) --> Rest==> Rechg(1)
01) --> Shadow Step==> EndRdx(1) Range(36) Range(50) Range(50)
10) --> Shadow Recall==> Range(10)
01) --> Power Slide==> Empty(1)
01) --> Dark Sustenance==> Empty(1)
---------------------------------------------
---------------------------------------------

0-50 in just under 6 months.

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WWW thats scary because thats exactly what my build is exept i only have hasten from the p pool, also i diddnt bother slotting recharge on any attacks i slot 2Acc 3Dmg (1 End Mod Where Needed). Even though im not 50 yet i thing im on the wright lines now (after respecing twice). I was going to go Tri Form but taking into consideration all the slotts needed for the Nova + Dwarf will take alot of slots away either from your Primary attacks or Secondary shields, me personally i have to have 3Dmg Resistance on every shield, 2Acc + 3Dmg on every attack.
Most Usless Power Ever :-Orbiting Death !

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funny, that is extremely similar to my build apart from with a few tweaks, and the only problem i have is soloing, hopefully thall change when i get eclipse though, ah sweet eclipse *drools* (lv 35 btw)

 

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35) --> Stygian Circle==> EndRdx(35) Rechg(40) Heal(48) EndMod(48)


thats crazy! this power should be grabbed as soon as its available, with it you can put stamina off a few levels

@ExtraGonk

 

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35) --> Stygian Circle==> EndRdx(35) Rechg(40) Heal(48) EndMod(48)


thats crazy! this power should be grabbed as soon as its available, with it you can put stamina off a few levels

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or even altogether

 

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i aint that brave

@ExtraGonk

 

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in time young, Kheldian.. in time...

 

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Well, you're right about that one: You can build a WS in a way that it's perfectly soloable.

That thends to be a mostly human build working rather controller/blaster style.

The shapeshifter I psoted on the other hand has an unholy damage output in a good team. Well, I came from a BS/Reg Scrapper and was missing my big numbers.

But in exchange for this, my build gathers aggro at least as fast as good tanks can regain it.