Would be useful, people can get tactics by then. So fit it in if you can, if not oh well
I just find the endurance drain stupid
Do you run stamina? I have stealth and my 3toggles (hide ff and fs) and my endurance management is fine with stamina. Is stealth useful? definately it really helped me against certain builds, and saved me when large hero teams enter. I survived fine without stealth in sirens call, but PvP game went way up after i got stealth.
i got stamina running with 3 endmods on it, the ends fine by the way, well untill i start fighting it adds to the drain alot, i know energy drains alot, but i think its above average, and i cant have stealth running in a dual with it. i have to hit n run
once u attack turn off stealth, turn it on again once you start moving/running.
Good idea, kk now i have to get me a respec and fit it in, what you say for sirens call, acrobatics, or drop them and get them a later leval, so i can get stealth?
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Good idea, kk now i have to get me a respec and fit it in, what you say for sirens call, acrobatics, or drop them and get them a later leval, so i can get stealth?
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Go and do the patrol missions in BB and Sirens. You'l get two temp stealth powers, that last 30 minutes each. If you're using them to switch on before a move and after for escaping, you won't burn the half hour too quickly.
Be as powerful and well balanced for PvP at the earliest opportunities IMO.
If stealth makes the stalker better sooner, take it earlier, slot it nicely BUT definately have Stamina (&slotted) by now to run it better. 
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I just find the endurance drain stupid
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If you think stealth is a big drain, I wonder what you say about invisibility 
Personally I cant imagine playing a stalker in sirens call without stealth. I got invisibility as well at the moment, but no stamina.. heh heh.
Well i could do with stealth, but sometimes i find it abit..i dont know the word, pretty cheesy i guess, running around knowing nothing can see you, maybe the odd person but most. thing i find intesting about not having stealth is having to fight your way around those who have the perception to see you. learning to take the squishy cough * empath * down as quick as possible :P, and using hit and run tactics
Without stealth in Sirens/War/RV you are basically a low hit point scrapper who has trouble getting criticals off.
A fairly sweeping statement?
Well the thing is that eveyone hates stalkers (and if you thinks thats a sweeping statement then trawl these forums and look at the whine). As a result every man and his dog has some form of + perception be it power or temp power based.
The down side of this being that every man and his dog can see you.
Overstatement?
Well I ran in sirens for a good few weeks without stealth and got fed up to the back teeth of scrappers making a B-Line straight for you or Blasters Snping you from miles away.
Alot of people will suggest using stealthier tactics but the bottom line is all the tactics in the world will not save you if you can be seen coming.
Alot of heoes will say that this is a good thing as Stakers are..and I quote what I have been called..."Lamers". But take hide away from stalkers and all you have is a low hit point scrappers who cant critical bar the use of placate and high lvl attacks. And try placating someone and see what happens? They run for the hills and rightly so as AS is usually imminent.
So what am I getting at?
Stealth is a must in PvP. It allows us to be stalkers again not just week scrappers.
I really feel strongly against the anti-stalker attitude which seems to be in vouge atm. All I seem to read on these forums is rant about how stalkers camp and ambush and....omg...use hide. NEWS FLASH ..Stalkers are assains! underhand tactics must be expected and I would say applauded. Instead we get a "its not fair" backlash which leads to a stealh/perception arms race.
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Ok firstly, you are right to a point. we are scrappers with the health points of controllers, but no scrapper can 2shot another 'scrapper' and when placating, the foe may run, but been energy is helpfull, purely because you got alot of stun attacks, in witch my case 'bone smasher and energy transfer' so what you do is Bu-(( attack with stun, Energy trasnfer or bone smasher)) to hopefully stun them, then jump down use placate, and A.S them, Thats a scrapper dead.
Its a good idea to have stealth in sirens, but the end is heavy and also i come to think it purely boring. and no tactics involved in ( run in As- dead -run awayover and over etc. I think i preffer hunting my pray, finding out ways i can stun them so i can then use placate and AS to an advantage, without having to be invisable.
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you miss my point.
The point being that we Have to spec in concealment to be viable in PvP.
I do recognise that some guys out there are getting the AS in, but against another PvP minded people? Tbh I find killing badge hunters and XPers no great challenge..but back to my point.
If you put a MA/SR stalker vs a MA/SR Scrapper, speced them with the same attacks and slotted them identcally and had them fight without the giving the stalker the chance to AS, the scrapper would win 10 times out of 10 and easily.
My point being that without the ability to AS, stalkers are about as much use as a chocolate fire guard..and without taking the concealment pool thats exactly what you are doing...seriously reducing your ability to use AS.
You point out the tactics you use with your power set, which is all well and good..and good on you...but ask a nin blade stalker without stun or disorientate how he gets AS in when every AT unders the sun can see him?..thats right, he uses stealth.
I admit that different builds develop different tactics and I agree that stalkers should adopt a more assasin class mindset when it comes to tactics (and many are), but I will still maintain that stealth is a must..I wish it wasnt so I could pick other powers..but thats just how it is atm
I understand what you are saying perfectly, but as i said, and it has come tomy mind i would of took stealth 100% if was nin blade like you'r stalker, but i find been able to take my enemy down using my tactics and strategy is more of an achievement.
not been picky but, been energy does not mean you need AS to win a fight, Energy transfer has enough damage to take most down, combined with placate and using criticals to an advantage, with some luck you could take a scrapper down, i have done so to a ma/rgn in warburg, beleive it or not 'without hide AND placate', it can prove the point, not every stalker needs hide or AS to be succesfull, yes it would be alot more easy. but whats the fun in that
Placate is a stalker's most important power not AS, if you don't realise this you'll do badly in PvP against most opponents, especially as level rises. Most stalkers haven't got the slightest idea about what their abilities actually are. Relying exclusively on AS and then complaining you can't use it 100% of the time is just a dead end. Think of it, where you actually have to learn to use more than one power...
I win most of my fights against enemies with tactics or SR scrappers by using placate. i would reckon its the most important power of the stalker
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Placate is a stalker's most important power not AS, if you don't realise this you'll do badly in PvP against most opponents, especially as level rises. Most stalkers haven't got the slightest idea about what their abilities actually are. Relying exclusively on AS and then complaining you can't use it 100% of the time is just a dead end. Think of it, where you actually have to learn to use more than one power...
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Again missing my point.
not wanting to labour a point which is becoming severly off topic.
My point Is Stealth is needed to be competetive in PVP. How anyone plays there stalker is not a point of debate.
What I am trying to drive at is that the + perception arms race has made it mandotory for a stalker to choose concelment pool powers.
I could bang on about how divine avalanche is my greatest tool or how I killed joe bloggs 1 day but its a mute point as the topic under discussion is that of whether stealth is needed in sirens call.
Short answer is YES
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...snip... topic under discussion is that of whether stealth is needed in sirens call.
Short answer is YES
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Actually, short answer is No. If you view AS as your opening move, then yes, you will struggle without stealth/invis, but to be perfectly honest, you aren't fulfilling the potential of the AT in PVP. Especially as empaths and /dev stalker hunters will ensure you still get seen, unless you move up a notch to invisibility.
A good stalker only uses AS to finish the combat, not to instigate it, unless you are making use of the environment.
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Again missing my point.
not wanting to labour a point which is becoming severly off topic.
My point Is Stealth is needed to be competetive in PVP. How anyone plays there stalker is not a point of debate.
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I'm not missing your point, I think you're wrong - Stealth isn't *needed* in Siren's Call, nor is it *needed* for stalkers to be competitive in PvP. It's useful depending on your style - if you can't fight outside of AS then you need it, if you can fight by using more than one attack then you might not need it.
Indeed filth. Also as i said before, stalkers SHOUL NOT have to relie on there hide or As, and as morgan said, As sohuld be used to finish a fight. So where would u need stealth there?
Well every one is entitled to their opinion. however I do feel there is a touch of claiming black is white in order to put down the new boy.
Especially as just about every associated thread in the stalker section advocates the use of stealth but hey..I only have a lvl 50 stalker who I have put through all PvP zones so what do I know about it
But it is good to see the stealth no stealth debate bashed out again and I await the in-coming posts claiming Im rubbish hehe
My two cents that aren't really for or against getting Stealth.
It (Stealth) is a great tool against the "one guy running tactics and making the whole 8-man group gank Stalkers" -situation or some person with a random +perception power running.
Sadly, the +perception is often stacked beyond that one power with two Tactics running in the group or an Empath spamming people with multiple Clear Minds.
So, in SC, the situation usually is that you either need just Hide, or are in problems with both Stealth and Hide, since there never seems to be a good balance between the sides.
I'd go with Grant Invis and Invis if I were ever to make a Stalker, to help my teammates and to get the high-end non-slowing +stealth power for the endgame. But I am not really a person who would make a Stalker. 
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The problem with grant invis is its a one shot deal .. meaning once you apply it that person can only attack once then needs a reapply of grant invis to get the stealth bonus again.
might aswell go with invis tbh.
And yes its been said by the devs i just can't be bothered to find it lol
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oh and once you 2 slot stealth with end reduxs and your sheilds with 2 and attacks with 1, ends not a problem.
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Simple enough, do u think stealths worth taking in sirens call, or leaving it u ntill warburg?