Whats a Good/Fun Blaster for PvE and PvP?
By
Amazing_Shnyet,
Posted on: 2006-07-23 15:09 in Blasters
sigh i give up trying to educate ppl on fire/ it appears every has seen the legendary freon and seiche using ice/ and cant actually see anything past the "almighty OMG look at the slows" ice/
for team fire/ trumps ice/
for solo sonic/ trumps ice/
of course all in my opinion but i think i've been pvp'in long enough to have a pretty fair idea 
edit: if u were going fire/ for pvp u wudnt take anything other that fire blast, snipe, aim and blaze, possible fire ball so why look at the other attacks?
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As brawl index isn't correct, you might find those numbers change a bit using normalized damage scalars.
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Wrong, that is due AT-based stuff. Within same AT but different set they are equal. (like a ice blaster has higher brawl dmg then a fire one? 
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Anyway,take the one you like. Even if Sonic was the highest/best/whatever.. i still wouldnt take it due its serious annoying sounds. At the end.. most strongest of those 3 are skills that will win it.
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As brawl index isn't correct, you might find those numbers change a bit using normalized damage scalars.
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Wrong, that is due AT-based stuff. Within same AT but different set they are equal. (like a ice blaster has higher brawl dmg then a fire one? )
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Wrong. Perhaps i should clarify. The 'numbers' are wrong. In actuality, fire has a chance to do higher damage. Averaged it'll be slightly less. Go check em.
www.nofuture.org.uk.
That website is too hard to read, i just wait for the update on the hero builder Outside that nofuture misses alot of info regarding damage.
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That website is too hard to read, i just wait for the update on the hero builder Outside that nofuture misses alot of info regarding damage.
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The point is that the hero-builder is incorrect, giving values that don't reflect actual numbers. Doing some power analysis from the numbers on nofuture, with fire being given 'averaged' values, the highest non nova attack DPS powers are in order as follows. (fire and ice only).
Blaze
Bitter Ice Blast
Ice Blast
Fire Ball
Fire Blast
Ice Bolt
Blazing Bolt
Fire Breath
Flares
Frost Breath
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That website is too hard to read, i just wait for the update on the hero builder Outside that nofuture misses alot of info regarding damage.
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The point is that the hero-builder is incorrect, giving values that don't reflect actual numbers. Doing some power analysis from the numbers on nofuture, with fire being given 'averaged' values, the highest non nova attack DPS powers are in order as follows. (fire and ice only).
Blaze
Bitter Ice Blast
Ice Blast
Fire Ball
Fire Blast
Ice Bolt
Blazing Bolt
Fire Breath
Flares
Frost Breath
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[censored]? Blazing Bolt scores lower than Blaze?? I think not.
To X-treme. I hear you man, I've got a lv 50 Fire/Nrg. He's pretty damn awesome in PVP. It's just that he's more dependent on teams, because of the massive end drain and lack off any control type powers. That's where Ice/Nrg has the advantage really. In teams however, Fire/Nrg is superior.
Ice/Nrg can't run into an enemie team and drop a Nuke(well then can try). Ice/Nrg can't snipe someone from half a map distance away. That's the difference really. Both Ice and Fire are good at a full out PVP brawl, but when applying different types of tactics, Fire is just more versatile as it can deliver both massive AoE damage as long range spiking damage.
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[censored]? Blazing Bolt scores lower than Blaze?? I think not.
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Well its DPS so recharge etc wouldve been taken into account.
IIRC a SS Tankers highest ST DPS attack is Jab.
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That website is too hard to read, i just wait for the update on the hero builder Outside that nofuture misses alot of info regarding damage.
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The point is that the hero-builder is incorrect, giving values that don't reflect actual numbers. Doing some power analysis from the numbers on nofuture, with fire being given 'averaged' values, the highest non nova attack DPS powers are in order as follows. (fire and ice only).
Blaze
Bitter Ice Blast
Ice Blast
Fire Ball
Fire Blast
Ice Bolt
Blazing Bolt
Fire Breath
Flares
Frost Breath
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[censored]? Blazing Bolt scores lower than Blaze?? I think not.
To X-treme. I hear you man, I've got a lv 50 Fire/Nrg. He's pretty damn awesome in PVP. It's just that he's more dependent on teams, because of the massive end drain and lack off any control type powers. That's where Ice/Nrg has the advantage really. In teams however, Fire/Nrg is superior.
Ice/Nrg can't run into an enemie team and drop a Nuke(well then can try). Ice/Nrg can't snipe someone from half a map distance away. That's the difference really. Both Ice and Fire are good at a full out PVP brawl, but when applying different types of tactics, Fire is just more versatile as it can deliver both massive AoE damage as long range spiking damage.
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In dps sure it does, i'm not saying ice is better for team i'm just saying that ice can dish out a lot more damage faster then fire can.
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In dps sure it does, i'm not saying ice is better for team i'm just saying that ice can dish out a lot more damage faster then fire can.
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In PVP DPS means absolutely nothing though. It's all about burst damage. Fire and Ice are equal in that respect, I'd say Fire even has an edge there.
yeah i know dps meansnothing or else claws would rock :P. fire doesn't have the edge, the dot doesn't get boosted by aim and build up don't forget that.
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[censored]? Blazing Bolt scores lower than Blaze?? I think not.
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Damage per second!
It takes blazing bolt 4.67 seconds to activate. Blaze is 1.
Pure damage per second is damage done over time taken to activate. Even if you take recharge into account, blaze is 10s and blazing bolt 12s. The numbers speak for themselves. Blaze has a much higher DPS. Nearly 5 times infact.
And if you want 'burst' damage, unslotted damage at lvl 50 for blaze and blazing bolt are 139.30 and 175.45 repectively. You can do blaze, fire ball and fire blast in the time it takes to do blazing bolt.(total of 3.2 vs bb's 4.67) Which gives a total unslotted burst damage of 275.54.
rofl, imaging ice bolt was highest DPS, you think _anyone_ will spam this power in order to take someone down in Pvp?
-Err.. scrapper please dont hit me, i only use 1 power!
10 minutes later
-Err.. scrapper can you take of that toggles?
Another blaster runs in, burst style
10 seconds later - scrapper down.
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personally i rate fire over ice in teams and vice versa in duels, sonic has far more utility than fire although im not sure what the duration of the debuffs is to really get the use out of them. my next blaster if i ever make one will be sonic/nrg, good AoE mez and ST secondary with self buffs.
but tbh, i still rate elec over all sets in pve, nothing compares to it imo, it has more win buttons for PvE than u can shake a stick at.
Plight
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but tbh, i still rate elec over all sets in pve, nothing compares to it imo, it has more win buttons for PvE than u can shake a stick at.
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Short Circuit >> Elite Bosses.
Whether it's a native EB or an AV->EB, unlike mezzes. You don't need much more of a win button than that.
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personally i rate fire over ice in teams and vice versa in duels, sonic has far more utility than fire although im not sure what the duration of the debuffs is to really get the use out of them. my next blaster if i ever make one will be sonic/nrg, good AoE mez and ST secondary with self buffs.
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The sonic blast attacks have about the same debuff duration as the recharge of the attack. The exceptions are Howl, which is about 80% of the recharge, the tier 1 attack, which is just self stackable and the single target disorient which is about 10 seconds.
So you can expect to keep a 4xdebuff -res on your enemies at all times. I think that is about -50%.
@Unthing ... Mostly on Union.
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And if you want 'burst' damage, unslotted damage at lvl 50 for blaze and blazing bolt are 139.30 and 175.45 repectively. You can do blaze, fire ball and fire blast in the time it takes to do blazing bolt.(total of 3.2 vs bb's 4.67) Which gives a total unslotted burst damage of 275.54.
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I don't think you understand the concept of burst damage.
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yeah i know dps meansnothing or else claws would rock :P. fire doesn't have the edge, the dot doesn't get boosted by aim and build up don't forget that.
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Actually DoT does get boosted by aim and build up, so I think I will forget that 
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personally i rate fire over ice in teams and vice versa in duels, sonic has far more utility than fire although im not sure what the duration of the debuffs is to really get the use out of them.
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Well the duration doesn't really matter if you hit something quickly and use you're debuffs to your advantage. The problem with Sonic though is the horrible rooting animation it has. I played my Sonic last night, after a long time not playing him and I was horrified at the rooting. It's really really bad. You're just stuck for 2-3 seconds on the heaviest hitting attack. Thats guaranteed death in PVP.
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for team fire/ trumps ice/
for solo sonic/ trumps ice/
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Your definately right about fire. Sonic trumps ice? No way. Your missing the key thing here, animation times and rooted animations. Ice totally trumps sonic with animation times. Thats the main problem with sonic, and i've noticed it more and more for upcoming sonic PvPers. Its the animations where they fall. In the time it takes for sonic to fire off 2 attacks ice blast can fire its 3main blasts. Ice definately owns sonic when it comes to solo pvP.
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And if you want 'burst' damage, unslotted damage at lvl 50 for blaze and blazing bolt are 139.30 and 175.45 repectively. You can do blaze, fire ball and fire blast in the time it takes to do blazing bolt.(total of 3.2 vs bb's 4.67) Which gives a total unslotted burst damage of 275.54.
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I don't think you understand the concept of burst damage.
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Please, enlighten me on the meaning of burst then.
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And if you want 'burst' damage, unslotted damage at lvl 50 for blaze and blazing bolt are 139.30 and 175.45 repectively. You can do blaze, fire ball and fire blast in the time it takes to do blazing bolt.(total of 3.2 vs bb's 4.67) Which gives a total unslotted burst damage of 275.54.
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I don't think you understand the concept of burst damage.
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Please, enlighten me on the meaning of burst then.
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Doing burst damage should mean doing as much damage as quickly as possible. The animation time of the opening attack is irrelevant, as the important thing is to quickly apply more damage after the initial attack. So saying that a snipe is no good for burst damage is false, seeing that you can easily start of a long range attack chain with a snipe, which applies extreme instant damage, rush in, then follow up with any other attack for the kill.
I've seen Gatling do this plenty of times to great succes. So with your numbers, you could do snipe, rush in, Blaze for over 300+ damage. That's a lot quicker than dropping the 3 power attack chain you mention, especially considering that Blazing Bolt is a bit buggy with applying damage a bit late after being hit. If you're lucky, you can almost instantly hit someone with both Blazing Bolt damage and Blaze damage at the same time.
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And if you want 'burst' damage, unslotted damage at lvl 50 for blaze and blazing bolt are 139.30 and 175.45 repectively. You can do blaze, fire ball and fire blast in the time it takes to do blazing bolt.(total of 3.2 vs bb's 4.67) Which gives a total unslotted burst damage of 275.54.
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I don't think you understand the concept of burst damage.
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yeah i know dps meansnothing or else claws would rock :P. fire doesn't have the edge, the dot doesn't get boosted by aim and build up don't forget that.
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Actually DoT does get boosted by aim and build up, so I think I will forget that
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we'll the spine dot doesn't get boosted by aim and build up.
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for team fire/ trumps ice/
for solo sonic/ trumps ice/
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Your definately right about fire. Sonic trumps ice? No way. Your missing the key thing here, animation times and rooted animations. Ice totally trumps sonic with animation times. Thats the main problem with sonic, and i've noticed it more and more for upcoming sonic PvPers. Its the animations where they fall. In the time it takes for sonic to fire off 2 attacks ice blast can fire its 3main blasts. Ice definately owns sonic when it comes to solo pvP.
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I have to agree with this. Sonic is a fantastic set too play, and would trump Ice easily in PvP if it wasn't for the Animation Times. I could just about 2 shot a squishy with a Built Up "Shout" and then a "Total Focus", but with the long animation for it, they can heal/run away by the time I have been "unrooted".
Although I have fought 4 Ice/En blasters in my time, and can beat 2 of them, the other 2 (now only one as the other left the game) will always beat me.
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And if you want 'burst' damage, unslotted damage at lvl 50 for blaze and blazing bolt are 139.30 and 175.45 repectively. You can do blaze, fire ball and fire blast in the time it takes to do blazing bolt.(total of 3.2 vs bb's 4.67) Which gives a total unslotted burst damage of 275.54.
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I don't think you understand the concept of burst damage.
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Please, enlighten me on the meaning of burst then.
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Doing burst damage should mean doing as much damage as quickly as possible. The animation time of the opening attack is irrelevant, as the important thing is to quickly apply more damage after the initial attack. So saying that a snipe is no good for burst damage is false, seeing that you can easily start of a long range attack chain with a snipe, which applies extreme instant damage, rush in, then follow up with any other attack for the kill.
I've seen Gatling do this plenty of times to great succes. So with your numbers, you could do snipe, rush in, Blaze for over 300+ damage. That's a lot quicker than dropping the 3 power attack chain you mention, especially considering that Blazing Bolt is a bit buggy with applying damage a bit late after being hit. If you're lucky, you can almost instantly hit someone with both Blazing Bolt damage and Blaze damage at the same time.
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Think about what you've written, then read what i wrote, then think again about what you wrote. 
As brawl index isn't correct, you might find those numbers change a bit using normalized damage scalars.