the team we used last night in the international pvp against LNM was as close to perfect as could be imo, easily the best 8man team i've ever played with 
Shaman X, Empath Defender
Dr Mambo, Illu/Kin Troller
Quicksand, Earth/Kin Troller
Gatling, Elec/Energy Blaster
Bitter Ice, Ice/Energy Blaster
-zak-, Spines/Regen Scrapper
Max Powerz, Invul/Axe Tanker
Solid Sgt, Invul/Energy Tanker
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My idea was this, granite is virtually unkillable (yes we all know how to pull them down) and would be basically a damage sponge. Yeah they are [censored] slow and granites -recharge is a proverbial which is why i considered the presence pool, so that at least one taunt would pretty much be ready when the need arises in PVP. I can see 2 methods of play where this could be useful, 1stly stay and fight around the aforementioned rock and secondly run to the rock should any player(s) be in trouble for them to pull the agro off. I find taunt really annoying and this would drive me absolutely nuts 
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And Chives, when we've used Powernova in team fights before he's been able to keep ID on all of us quite easily. Only one, mind, but that's all you need to be TP-proof.
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The team may be tp-proof, but surely the guy supplying the ID isn't? And on a large map, TP the Kin, Blat him/her, then by the time the kin gets back to the fight, im sure a couple of others will be tp-able.
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Also, seriously stalk, have you ever seen a tanker with 2 taunts from the presence pool and taunt from their secondary?
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In the S4 competition, I had all three taunts with Seri. This way i could perma taunt the oppositon tank, and if at any point I wasn't taunted I could taunt others as well. On test I found it possible to keep three people almost perma taunted this way.
You should be banned from the forums for starting this post 
Will go on for ever and ever and ever and ever ....
And no one will ever agree with anyone 
Phil is right though Ice Tank FTW!
Had another thought on the bubble of doom
1 kinetic/electric defender
1 sonic/electric defender
2 ice/force field trolls
1 stone/ice tank
2 sonic/ice blasters
1 elec/elec blaster
Slows, drains, defense, resistance, speed.
Would take some co-ordination for everyone to stay together tho.
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Would take some co-ordination for everyone to stay together tho.
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And one fire blaster with 3 IDs on him to completely ruin your team. Even more so if he has the fire epic.
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Would take some co-ordination for everyone to stay together tho.
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And one fire blaster with 3 IDs on him to completely ruin your team. Even more so if he has the fire epic.
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Not if he doesn't have
1) any endurance to use any powers
2) with stacked ff's will need some boosting to hit and when it does, the sonic shields should give a reasonable reduction
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Would take some co-ordination for everyone to stay together tho.
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And one fire blaster with 3 IDs on him to completely ruin your team. Even more so if he has the fire epic.
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Not if he doesn't have
1) any endurance to use any powers
2) with stacked ff's will need some boosting to hit and when it does, the sonic shields should give a reasonable reduction
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You're assuming the other team won't have buffed their own players at all. Besides which, if he flew above you and dropped down using the arena temp power there'd be nothing you could do about it.
Everything you're talking about is PbAoE pretty much. It's very easy to split a team up.
Right, in my build there are no tanks, the team i made is VERY aggresive, very high damage output as you can see. The regenners have taunt and so can act like tanks and take players out of the fight effectively with taunt. These regen scrappers can also work alongside the force fielder and sonic and take quite a few significant players out of the fight the mix of sonic cage detention field and taunt is an effective one. Also what i'm showing is that these regenners (who as you know have high surviability) will have high damage res against FoTM style attacks(energy melee mainly) aswell as high damage output. the primary of the regen scrappers could also be broadsword for more damage, however 2 spines/regen spiking with ranged impale is nasty. You guys do realise these spines/regenners have taunt, don't discount that! Sure its not AoE but I think its enough I could maybe even substiute in an ice/energy melee tank instead of a spines/regen as chilling embrace is very nice to have, as a slow.
I really don't think a team with a tank could take apart this team. They have very high damage aswell as nice defence.
I wouldn't have a granite tank on my team choice as its to defensive for my liking. I really think smart offensive play with this team will make it an effective one.
Arguably another team that could possibly rival my team would have 3forcefielders (2forcefield controllers, 1 forcefield defender) ..the one kinetic defender, and two spines/sr scrappers, along with the blasters.
That team would be a defence based team, and quite nasty aswell.
About sonic/nrg, yes that is a possibly a good choice, however my gripe with sonic is with the nerf of whirlwind the animations are nasty, also ice/energy has the highest DPS. Sonic/nrg and ice/devices duo would definately be workable though.
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A Kin or even multiple is not going to keep an eight man team perma ID'd. Also, the person who gets TP'd can still move, they'll be out and round a corner while the Taunt is going off, be around a corner and have it broken already.
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Pffft i can keep a whole team perma IDed no problem and also able to stack ID on one of the blasters (freon) to run in and take the bubbler out.
Edit: Thats against one force bubbler.
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Had another thought on the bubble of doom
1 kinetic/electric defender
1 sonic/electric defender
2 ice/force field trolls
1 stone/ice tank
2 sonic/ice blasters
1 elec/elec blaster
Slows, drains, defense, resistance, speed.
Would take some co-ordination for everyone to stay together tho.
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You have more than 2 of an AT ( the blasters) also I think your team would be lacking in the high damage area to be honest.
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the team we used last night in the international pvp against LNM was as close to perfect as could be imo, easily the best 8man team i've ever played with
Shaman X, Empath Defender
Dr Mambo, Illu/Kin Troller
Quicksand, Earth/Kin Troller
Gatling, Elec/Energy Blaster
Bitter Ice, Ice/Energy Blaster
-zak-, Spines/Regen Scrapper
Max Powerz, Invul/Axe Tanker
Solid Sgt, Invul/Energy Tanker
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Guess thats why you were unwilling to change the team round last night
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Phil is right though Ice Tank FTW!
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No-ones ever called me right before, ever 
thePhilosopher Martial Arts/Regen/Fire Scrapper
theRegulator Empathy/Energy/Soul Defender
Total Inertia Ice Blast/Kinetics/Psy Corruptor
Total Inferno Ice Blast/Thermal/Leviathan Corruptor
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Shaman X, Empath Defender
Dr Mambo, Illu/Kin Troller
Quicksand, Earth/Kin Troller
Gatling, Elec/Energy Blaster
Bitter Ice, Ice/Energy Blaster
-zak-, Spines/Regen Scrapper
Max Powerz, Invul/Axe Tanker
Solid Sgt, Invul/Energy Tanker
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I think the PDs could take this team, but we need the perfekt team and have all our members show up and take the right positions and that wont happend since most of us stopped playing.
Nightbringer on Columna (spines / regen)
Extremus on Elerith (emp / dark)
Me on Captain Freon (ice / nrg)
Empath on Ms Freedom (katana / regen), need a respec thou.
Xanthus on Decibellion (sonice / sonic)
Archy on his earth / kin, if ATs arent a problem Powernova on powernova (kin / nrg) and Arch on his tank.
Mesmer on Mesmer mind / ff
Nr 8, the person we can get. Prolly Plight Trawler, since he is the only blaster I know of that is good enough on defiant. Red Dragon on his tank might also be a good idea.
50s
controllers: Ill rad , grav rad, fire kin, ice kin
blaster: ice em
scrapper: spines sr
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Shaman X, Empath Defender
Dr Mambo, Illu/Kin Troller
Quicksand, Earth/Kin Troller
Gatling, Elec/Energy Blaster
Bitter Ice, Ice/Energy Blaster
-zak-, Spines/Regen Scrapper
Max Powerz, Invul/Axe Tanker
Solid Sgt, Invul/Energy Tanker
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I think the PDs could take this team, but we need the perfekt team and have all our members show up and take the right positions and that wont happend since most of us stopped playing.
Nightbringer on Columna (spines / regen)
Extremus on Elerith (emp / dark)
Me on Captain Freon (ice / nrg)
Empath on Ms Freedom (katana / regen), need a respec thou.
Xanthus on Decibellion (sonice / sonic)
Archy on his earth / kin, if ATs arent a problem Powernova on powernova (kin / nrg) and Arch on his tank.
Mesmer on Mesmer mind / ff
Nr 8, the person we can get. Prolly Plight Trawler, since he is the only blaster I know of that is good enough on defiant. Red Dragon on his tank might also be a good idea.
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name the time and place...oh wait u said it wouldnt happen so its a bit of a weird claim kinda like me saying we cud use prof and cherry if they hadnt retired from pvp or chives if he didnt hate 8 man matches
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And one fire blaster with 3 IDs on him to completely ruin your team. Even more so if he has the fire epic.
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Not if he doesn't have
1) any endurance to use any powers
2) with stacked ff's will need some boosting to hit and when it does, the sonic shields should give a reasonable reduction
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You're assuming the other team won't have buffed their own players at all. Besides which, if he flew above you and dropped down using the arena temp power there'd be nothing you could do about it.
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Not assuming no - just replying about a 'lone' blaster. And just because he was in the middle, it still doesn't mean he'll hit or do much damage.
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Everything you're talking about is PbAoE pretty much. It's very easy to split a team up.
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You mean in your experience it's very easy to split a team up - as i said it would be tough to co-ordinate - but a determined organised bunch would stay together.
And anyway it's just a thought - there are going to be counters to any team of 8 - team work and co-ordination will win - not a lone buffed blaster.
What is this pvp of which you speak?
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What is this pvp of which you speak?
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What did you think it was? 
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Shaman X, Empath Defender
Dr Mambo, Illu/Kin Troller
Quicksand, Earth/Kin Troller
Gatling, Elec/Energy Blaster
Bitter Ice, Ice/Energy Blaster
-zak-, Spines/Regen Scrapper
Max Powerz, Invul/Axe Tanker
Solid Sgt, Invul/Energy Tanker
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I think the PDs could take this team, but we need the perfekt team and have all our members show up and take the right positions and that wont happend since most of us stopped playing.
Nightbringer on Columna (spines / regen)
Extremus on Elerith (emp / dark)
Me on Captain Freon (ice / nrg)
Empath on Ms Freedom (katana / regen), need a respec thou.
Xanthus on Decibellion (sonice / sonic)
Archy on his earth / kin, if ATs arent a problem Powernova on powernova (kin / nrg) and Arch on his tank.
Mesmer on Mesmer mind / ff
Nr 8, the person we can get. Prolly Plight Trawler, since he is the only blaster I know of that is good enough on defiant. Red Dragon on his tank might also be a good idea.
[/ QUOTE ]heh, if ur from onion i'll pwn u all, i'll even use my onion build, lvl 44 elec elec elec with stimulant and slotted aid other.
(i admit that chives kicked my bottom pre respec, but i dont really worry about that after i actually bothered to swap things about).
so heres the deal
time: global tell to @BindWhore test ing 5 mins mate?
teams: onion:
onionite 1
onionite 2
onionite 3
onionite 4
onionite 5
onionite 6
onionite 7
onionite 8
onionite 9 (reserve: incase any of them have an accident when they see me on test)
onionite 10 (reserve: i really am that scary)
deviant:
meh, Plight Trawler
in reality i have no idea about most of the onions skilz0rs etc, but i know i pwn gatling on test, damned fun fights with him tho.
Plight
8 Rob/FF Masterminds.
You think you'll win this time?
World of Jackcraft.
o yes
Plight
I'm updating test right now...
World of Jackcraft.
i already did and its down god damn it!!111onetwothree 1!!!1:'(
but will get on asap
Plight
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My idea was this, granite is virtually unkillable (yes we all know how to pull them down) and would be basically a damage sponge. Yeah they are [censored] slow and granites -recharge is a proverbial which is why i considered the presence pool, so that at least one taunt would pretty much be ready when the need arises in PVP. I can see 2 methods of play where this could be useful, 1stly stay and fight around the aforementioned rock and secondly run to the rock should any player(s) be in trouble for them to pull the agro off. I find taunt really annoying and this would drive me absolutely nuts
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The thing is, while that sounds nice it's a lot easier to just have another tank moving around faster and then have an Empath to heal him/her.
And Chives, when we've used Powernova in team fights before he's been able to keep ID on all of us quite easily. Only one, mind, but that's all you need to be TP-proof.