Warshades in PVP?

Following a theme...

...so has anyone used a Warshade in PvP. I have a buddy that pounded a Brute to pieces in Sirens.

How decent is the stealth & +perception on Shadow Cloak? And is there enough Warshade damage output to make it viable?

I've seen a fair few PBs but never a warshade. The PBs tend to be pretty low on the list of threats when I'm playing but I imagine a WS would be a bit more nasty, with the -recharge on attacks and all their stun attacks to irritate squishies. You might also be fairly safe from stalkers in human form with one of the auras running.

Hi,
Have been thinking about this myself as have just started entering sirens for fun.
Firstly at this level warshades are not uber at all (cant wait for eclipse and the high lvl pvp areas though) and my current build certainly is not tailored for pvp.
BUT I have detoggled a brute with dwarf-held him in human and then it was nova FTW .Stalkers are however owning me at the moment-BUT again I have a plan. The +perception on shadow cloak picks them up just in hide so when I respec will add in assault and tactics to cover hide and stealth combos. To prevent AS I will pick up orbiting death and slot 2 Accs in itAnd finally tp foe to bring them to you and your friends for hold and some nova love (or thats the plan lol)
DD

Hi again-Just to answer the second part of your question-anyone can see u in shadow cloak if close enough as just stealth. Unfortunately doesnt stack with the pool unlike hide .In addition in the name of "science" have been in sirens with a very good friend who has a lvl 40 em/regen stalker (would have to be very good). He could easily see me as he has + perception to I believe. And finally it takes 2 AS to take u down to minimal health in dwarf form - we tried it lol-time enough to tp away.
Cheers DD

Hi, have just been playing with a build WITHOUT stamina but tactics. Assuming hero planner is right slotted with end reds in key toggles it should be ok-otherwise will need to find a body in human ASAP. Here it is-say if you think its gimped. No nuke as hopefully post dark extraction and eclipse will be destructive enough
Note should be extra damage instead of recharge in dark extraction and extra acc instead of heal in dwarf drain.

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Exported from Ver: 1.7.6.0 of the CoH_CoV Character Builder - (http://sherksilver.coldfront.net/index.php)
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Name: Dark Ascension
Level: 50
Archetype: Warshade
Primary: Umbral Blast
Secondary: Umbral Aura
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01) --> Ebon Eye==> Acc(1) Acc(3) Dmg(3) Dmg(17)
01) --> Absorption==> DmgRes(1)
02) --> Gravity Shield==> EndRdx(2) DmgRes(5) DmgRes(7) DmgRes(15)
04) --> Orbiting Death==> Acc(4) Acc(5) EndRdx(9) EndRdx(50)
06) --> Dark Nova==> EndMod(6) EndMod(7) EndMod(9) TH_Buf(15)
08) --> Starless Step==> Acc(8) Acc(11)
10) --> Shadow Blast==> Acc(10) Acc(13) Dmg(17) Dmg(31)
12) --> Sunless Mire==> Acc(12) Rechg(37) Rechg(37)
14) --> Shadow Cloak==> EndRdx(14) EndRdx(37)
16) --> Hasten==> Rechg(16) Rechg(36) Rechg(46)
18) --> Gravity Well==> Acc(18) Acc(19) Hold(19)
20) --> Black Dwarf==> DmgRes(20) DmgRes(21) DmgRes(21) EndRdx(25) EndRdx(48)
22) --> Stygian Circle==> Heal(22) EndMod(23) EndMod(23) EndRdx(25)
24) --> Super Speed==> EndRdx(24)
26) --> Gravity Emanation==> Acc(26) Acc(27) Slow(29)
28) --> Assault==> EndRdx(28)
30) --> Tactics==> EndRdx(30) EndRdx(34) EndRdx(50)
32) --> Dark Extraction==> Acc(32) Acc(33) Dmg(33) Dmg(33) Rechg(34) Rechg(34)
35) --> Nebulous Form==> EndRdx(35)
38) --> Eclipse==> Acc(38) DmgRes(39) Rechg(39) Rechg(40) Rechg(40)
41) --> Unchain Essence==> Acc(41) Dmg(42) Dmg(42) Dmg(43) Rechg(48)
44) --> Aid Other==> Heal(44)
47) --> Aid Self==> Heal(47) Heal(50)
49) --> Resuscitate==> Rechg(49)
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01) --> Sprint==> Run(1)
01) --> Brawl==> Acc(1)
01) --> Shadow Step==>
01) --> Dark Sustenance==> Empty(1)
02) --> Rest==> Rechg(2)
10) --> Shadow Recall==> EndRdx(10)
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06) --> Dark Nova Blast==> Acc(6) Acc(31) Dmg(45)
06) --> Dark Nova Bolt==> Acc(6) Acc(43) Dmg(45)
06) --> Dark Nova Detonation==> Acc(6) Acc(11) Dmg(29) Dmg(31) Dmg(46)
06) --> Dark Nova Emmanation==> Acc(6) Acc(13) Dmg(43) Dmg(45) Dmg(46)
20) --> Black Dwarf Strike==> Acc(20) Acc(36)
20) --> Black Dwarf Smite==> Acc(20) Acc(27)
20) --> Black Dwarf Mire==> Acc(20) Rechg(36) Rechg(39)
20) --> Black Dwarf Drain==> Acc(20) Heal(40) Heal(42) Rechg(48)
20) --> Black Dwarf Step==> EndRdx(20)
20) --> Black Dwarf Antagonize==> Taunt(20)
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Cheers DD

Thanks for your comments .

My (evil) Warshade plans are on hold until I can turn him *cough* rogue... DIE HUMANS... *ahem* . But I'm guessing the whole rogue mechanic will have a bench to it, so I'm figuring leveling to 20/25 in preperation.

Keep me posted how you get on .

Oh about Leadership, I run it on my MM with no Stamina, with Endreducs in & it's ok.

Edit: Will Orbiting Death break Hide/Interuppt AS? I have Quills on my Spines, & I'm not sure I've ever managed it even with a fair bit of accuracy in it.
Anyway, I think this could be an interesting project a little out of the ordinary *if* it can work to some degree.

shadowcloak by itself can be seen thru at about 40 yards distance, the perception is enough to see stalkers on hide at around the same distance.

will check the shadowcloak + superspeed combo tonight

orbiting death will disrupt a stalker AS as will inky aspect. However both will drop your stealth component when you run thru a group.

Inky aspect will disorient squishies.

However the tick on both debt and inky aspect seem to be spaced enough for it to miss hitting a lot of the time between ticks.

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will check the shadowcloak + superspeed combo tonight

orbiting death will disrupt a stalker AS as will inky aspect. However both will drop your stealth component when you run thru a group.

Inky aspect will disorient squishies.

However the tick on both debt and inky aspect seem to be spaced enough for it to miss hitting a lot of the time between ticks.

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Unlike PVE you dont get full invis with steatlh cloak and ss running And agree with you about orbiting death-trying it on test and the tics are very slow. I think a well timed AS will get through . Have yet to try it with an actual stalker, so fingers crossed.

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Superspeeds stealth component doesnt work on players in pvp.

aye i found that out in another thread too, you cant run stealth with shadowcloak either.

with orbiting debt and inky aspect running you may improve your chances to catch a stalker, but you'd probably have to slot for acc and i'm not up to that yet

What about WS powers that rely on defeated enemies to function? Specifically Stygian Circle and Extract Essence. Are these completely useless in PvP, since I presume most people click "Go to Hospital" fairly quickly when they die. Do their corpses fade immediately or stay around for long enough to use either of these powers?

heh, that just made me realise i've never tried it

if it works like pve where even if there isnt a body to leech off you can still get residual drain tehn maybe as long as youre fast then it'll let you get some. something to experiment with if i ever manage to kill anyone with my ws

Yeah never had much trouble with Stygian, but Extract Essence used to drive me nuts sometimes with mobs fading after you'd clicked it but before the pet spawned in .

Anyway, if you do manage to kill something let me know how you get on desecrating their corpse .

Hi guys managed to test both whirlwind and orbiting debt in combo and alone against an AS last night on test (kindly supplied by kavaki-cheers mate). Sadly all failed to interrupt AS and so cannot advise either in this context. 2 acc SOs in orbiting debt for your info.
DD

boo

not fair i reckon, orbiting debt should break AS but if it doesnt, it doesnt, still dont make it fair

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ROFLMAO Sorry this just made me laugh! When I was a young warshade, Orbiting Death did cause quite a bit of debt!

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You might also be fairly safe from stalkers in human form with one of the auras running.

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Tried out Kaiserette (Warshade ) with a dear friend of mine as a stalker, I turned on Inky Aspect, Orbiting Death and Shadow Cloak. While when my friend didnt have stealth on i could see her...
it took a bit more worrying turn then when she actually came to AS me
She was /SR btw
Basically she wasnt stopped, I only knew i was going to die because my health kept getting drained and loads of 'MISS'es kept popping up around me
Then she did the Assasin's strike...yeargh

However gotta admit shadow cloak is hilariously good at percep+
Also....with some hero teams who do 'stay together'..you can surprise quite a few arrogant brutes who dash by and run off by tping them back with Starless Step...
Just like to make clear I am in no way advocating the misuse of tp foe

hi all,
i did sum PVP in BB with my all human form WS.
i liked it verry much,the cloak and OD are verry helpfull imo wen it comes 2 stalkers.
i can actually see em comin sneak up on me for the AS.[i let em]
im just standing still and run all my toggles[2 take the AS]
when a stalker comes in the circle from OD,u will see the OD miss miss miss[that means hes in ur range]
after the AS i just get a hold on em with gravity well !
and then i only have to finish em off.
i must say that the way i build my [totally human form]WS it can take sum damage 2.
maybe we can hook up sumtime and try sum PVP with our WS together?!
i like PVP with team more then solo...

just my 2cents !

if you can see em with cloak on, they probably werent running both hide and stealth, as with both you cant see em with just shadow cloak. Also I'd doubt you could put a hold on em when they got mez-protect running, sounds to me you fought some noobie stalkers

Was in bloody bay mind nef, so finding a stalker in there with access to hide+stealth is probably a rarity.

The Mez comment is bang on tho

well yeah with noobie i meant either too low lvl to have decent powers, or just people who gimp their build

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well yeah with noobie i meant either too low lvl to have decent powers, or just people who gimp their build

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pls tell me why it couldnt be just that i did sum good fights? and just won cause i was better at that time?
also when u run OD and the stalker comes 2 close [within the OD] u see the MISS MISS MISS from the OD.
together with my shields up and my cloak on.

and why shouldnt i get a hold on the stalker? i did!
cause the moment he hits me with AS, the OD will start hittin/eating him, and at that particulair moment u can put a hold on em easy...

i dont wanna say im a uber good pvp player,but it wont say that u got to play years of PVP to be good.
sum peeps just got the vibe for it.

so wrong build or noob, i dunno...
im just sharing my PVP experience i had with my WS.

Not making any implications as to how well you fought - Nefarious pointed out that if you were able to slap a hold onto the stalker, then the stalker had omitted to pick up/run their mez protection power (integration/entropy shield/practiced brawler/Kuji-in Rin). Such an omission is likely to indicate an inexperienced PvP'er, as anyone who has spent longer than about an hour in the zones knows just how lovely mez protection is.

aye, gravity well is a pretty weak hold, even when i play on my controller I can barely get a hold on stalkers cause they got some great mez-resistance, hence why I pointed out you werent fighting a proper stalker-build/player if you could hit them with gravity well. Not implying skill or whatsoever, its a simple numbers game

btw, bout the miss-miss-miss, i seen the same on inky aspect, but I dont think you see the misses if you cant see the stalker.

Might be able to.

When I ran Quills in Sirens I got the MISS, MISS, MISS up, & trust me I can't see squat as a Spines/Regen. Does it not work the same for all damage Auras ?

Shame about Gravity Well. What Mag is it? Not got high enough to it yet, but I thought it was ok?

Is Stalker Mez protection better than Scrappers? 'Cos I really don't have many problems knocking a Scrapper out of Integration etc with my Dominator, & I've been held plenty as my Scrapper vs Controllers. Sure, I can understand a WS hold is far weaker, but I'm puzzled Stalkers would be so hard to hold by Controllers. I've seen them fall to troller holds a hell of a lot.