For a while now..................................

Sayia · 04-16-2006 08:50 PM

For a while now ive had a Lv 50 Scrapper and i cant decide what toon i should make next, ive tried a PB and a WS i like them but i want to gain a tad more experience at the game first esppicaly at blasting seems the PB and WS are like blasters.....so ive decided to make a blaster Ice/Elec i just wanted some views on this choice and genral blasting tips.....thanks.

MBarUK · 04-17-2006 06:23 AM

Ice/Elec is a good choice for single target damage, and has plenty of holds, which are excellent solo'ing tools but also great in teams. Locking down a Boss in 2 seconds flat is something my Archery/Elec was missing until lvl 41 ...

You should go the Blapper route incidently, the Elec melee powers are rather good.

MaXimillion_Zero · 04-17-2006 06:41 AM

Ice/elec is the best single-target killer in the game. In case you want build advice, here's my planned respec build:

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Name: Deadly Shocker
Level: 50
Archetype: Blaster
Primary: Ice Blast
Secondary: Electricity Manipulation
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01) --> Ice Blast==> Acc(1)Dmg(3)Dmg(7)Dmg(17)
01) --> Electric Fence==> Acc(1)
02) --> Charged Brawl==> Acc(2)Dmg(3)Dmg(5)Dmg(17)EndRdx(46)
04) --> Ice Bolt==> Acc(4)Dmg(5)Dmg(7)Dmg(25)
06) --> Swift==> Run(6)
08) --> Freeze Ray==> Acc(8)Hold(9)Hold(9)Hold(11)Rechg(43)
10) --> Havoc Punch==> Acc(10)Dmg(11)Dmg(15)Dmg(15)EndRdx(25)Rechg(46)
12) --> Hasten==> Acc(12)Rechg(13)Rechg(13)
14) --> Super Speed==> Run(14)
16) --> Health==> Heal(16)
18) --> Bitter Ice Blast==> Acc(18)Dmg(19)Dmg(19)Dmg(23)EndRdx(23)
20) --> Stamina==> EndMod(20)EndMod(21)EndMod(21)
22) --> Aim==> Rechg(22)Rechg(37)
24) --> Hover==> Fly(24)
26) --> Bitter Freeze Ray==> Acc(26)Hold(27)Hold(27)Hold(29)EndRdx(34)
28) --> Thunder Strike==> Acc(28)Dmg(29)Dmg(31)Dmg(31)EndRdx(31)
30) --> Build Up==> Rechg(30)Rechg(40)
32) --> Blizzard==> Acc(32)Dmg(33)Dmg(33)Dmg(33)Rechg(34)Rechg(34)
35) --> Power Sink==> Rechg(35)Rechg(36)Rechg(36)EndMod(36)EndMod(37)EndMod(37)
38) --> Shocking Grasp==> Acc(38)Hold(39)Hold(39)Hold(39)Rechg(40)Dmg(40)
41) --> Shocking Bolt==> Acc(41)Hold(42)Hold(42)Hold(42)Rechg(43)Dmg(43)
44) --> Static Discharge==> Empty(44)Dmg(45)Dmg(45)Dmg(45)Rechg(46)
47) --> Charged Armor==> EndRdx(47)DmgRes(48)DmgRes(48)DmgRes(48)
49) --> Ice Storm==> Slow(49)Rechg(50)Rechg(50)Rechg(50)
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Sayia · 04-17-2006 06:44 AM

Thanks for the advice and the build ill keep that in mind.cheers.

Mesmer · 04-17-2006 09:27 AM

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...esppicaly at blasting seems the PB and WS are like blasters

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ummm, if you mean that PB's and WS's are like bad blasters, then I would agree with you.

Ice/Elec is a good choice though, but I wouldn't go with Max's build if you're planning on doing any PVP at all. I'm sure it's playable in PVE though.

MaXimillion_Zero · 04-17-2006 09:46 AM

Why not PvP? Sure it has few bad sides like BFR and lack of tactics, but overall it does fine in casual PvP.

Xanthus_EU · 04-17-2006 10:29 AM

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Why not PvP? Sure it has few bad sides like BFR and lack of tactics, but overall it does fine in casual PvP.

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With 1 acc you'll miss all the [censored] time.

Imaginary_EU · 04-17-2006 11:29 AM

For PvP something like this:
01) --> Ice Blast==> Acc(1) Acc(3) Dmg(3) Dmg(5) Dmg(5)
01) --> Electric Fence==> Acc(1) Acc(7)
02) --> Charged Brawl==> Acc(2) Acc(7) Dmg(9) Dmg(9) Dmg(11) EndRdx(11)
04) --> Ice Bolt==> Acc(4) Acc(13) Dmg(15) Dmg(15) Dmg(17)
06) --> Combat Jumping==> Jump(6) Jump(19)
08) --> Aim==> Rechg(8) Rechg(19) Rechg(21) TH_Buf(21) TH_Buf(23) TH_Buf(23)
10) --> Havoc Punch==> Acc(10) Acc(13) Dmg(25) Dmg(25) Dmg(27) EndRdx(27)
12) --> Hurdle==> Jump(12) Jump(29) Jump(31)
14) --> Super Jump==> Jump(14) EndRdx(31)
16) --> Build Up==> Rechg(16) Rechg(17) Rechg(29) TH_Buf(31) TH_Buf(33)
18) --> Bitter Ice Blast==> Acc(18) Acc(34) Dmg(34) Dmg(36) Dmg(36) EndRdx(36)
20) --> Swift==> Run(20)
22) --> Stamina==> EndMod(22) EndMod(33) EndMod(37)
24) --> Freeze Ray==> Acc(24) Acc(37) Hold(39) Hold(39)
26) --> Hasten==> Rechg(26) Rechg(33) Rechg(39)
28) --> Thunder Strike==> Acc(28) Acc(40) Dmg(40) Dmg(42) Dmg(42) EndRdx(42)
30) --> Acrobatics==> EndRdx(30)
32) --> Super Speed==> EndRdx(32) Run(34)
35) --> Power Sink==> EndMod(35) EndMod(37) EndMod(40)
38) --> Shocking Grasp==> Acc(38) Acc(43) Dmg(45) Dmg(45) Dmg(45) EndRdx(46)
41) --> Personal Force Field==> DefBuf(41) DefBuf(43) DefBuf(43)
44) --> Temp Invulnerability==> DmgRes(44) DmgRes(46) DmgRes(46) EndRdx(48)
47) --> Force of Nature==> DmgRes(47) DmgRes(48) DmgRes(48) Rechg(50) Rechg(50) Rechg(50)
49) --> Stealth==> EndRdx(49)

For a PvE build go something like this(this build can also PvP a bit, but its far from min max)
01) --> Ice Blast==> Acc(1) Acc(3) Dmg(3) Dmg(5) Dmg(5)
01) --> Electric Fence==> Acc(1) Acc(7)
02) --> Ice Bolt==> Acc(2) Acc(7) Dmg(9) Dmg(9) Dmg(11)
04) --> Charged Brawl==> Acc(4) Acc(11) Dmg(13) Dmg(13) Dmg(15) EndRdx(15)
06) --> Combat Jumping==> Jump(6)
08) --> Hurdle==> Jump(8)
10) --> Havoc Punch==> Acc(10) Acc(17) Dmg(17) Dmg(19) Dmg(19) EndRdx(21)
12) --> Swift==> Run(12)
14) --> Super Jump==> EndRdx(14)
16) --> Build Up==> Rechg(16) Rechg(23) Rechg(23)
18) --> Bitter Ice Blast==> Acc(18) Acc(25) Dmg(25) Dmg(27) Dmg(27) EndRdx(29)
20) --> Stamina==> EndMod(20) EndMod(21) EndMod(29)
22) --> Aim==> Rechg(22) Rechg(31) Rechg(31)
24) --> Freeze Ray==> Acc(24) Acc(33) Hold(33) Hold(33) Hold(34)
26) --> Hasten==> Rechg(26) Rechg(31) Rechg(34)
28) --> Frost Breath==> Acc(28) Acc(36) Dmg(36) Dmg(36) Dmg(37) EndRdx(37)
30) --> Thunder Strike==> Acc(30) Acc(37) Dmg(39) Dmg(39) Dmg(39) EndRdx(40)
32) --> Aid Other==> Heal(32) Heal(34) Heal(40)
35) --> Power Sink==> EndMod(35) EndMod(42) EndMod(42) Rechg(42) Rechg(43) Rechg(43)
38) --> Aid Self==> Heal(38) Heal(40) Heal(43)
41) --> Shocking Bolt==> Acc(41) Acc(46) Hold(46) Hold(46)
44) --> Charged Armor==> DmgRes(44) DmgRes(45) DmgRes(45) EndRdx(45) EndRdx(48)
47) --> Blizzard==> Dmg(47) Dmg(48) Rechg(48) Dmg(50) Rechg(50) Rechg(50)
49) --> Super Speed==> Run(49)

50s
controllers: Ill rad , grav rad, fire kin, ice kin
blaster: ice em
scrapper: spines sr

MaXimillion_Zero · 04-17-2006 12:04 PM

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Why not PvP? Sure it has few bad sides like BFR and lack of tactics, but overall it does fine in casual PvP.

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With 1 acc you'll miss all the [censored] time.

[/ QUOTE ]Technically, yes, but in zonal PvP I find that aim+BU are sufficient for when I need to actually hit something, and even without them I hit decently.

Mesmer · 04-17-2006 12:42 PM

It wasn't just the acc slotting I was talking about, but that was one of the problems. The other problems were insufficient slotting of aim and build up, taking 4 holds where better slotting of 2 holds would be sufficient, not slotting unsurpressed movement enough(getting health over hurdle, no combat jumping) and being vulnerable to knockdown(no acrobatics). I'm sure it's playable in PVP the way it is, but any experienced PVP'er would tear you apart.

Silver_Weasel · 04-17-2006 04:39 PM

For a Blaster, no better than Energy/Energy, but I'm biased

Everclear · 04-17-2006 06:16 PM

Ice/elec should be great, I'd advise following imaginary's builds.

Sayia · 04-18-2006 06:38 AM

This all seems like great advice but for now im just going to play my blaster till the first respec and see how it goes.Thanks.

Extremus · 04-18-2006 06:51 AM

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This all seems like great advice but for now im just going to play my blaster till the first respec and see how it goes.Thanks.

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Always the best way, lets you get a feel for the powers and how you would play them.

Oh, and I'd follow Imaginary's build advice, especially slotting advice if you plan on respec'ing to a PvP specification. Actually, I'll post up my Ice/Elec build later as I've got one sitting at SL43.

Sayia · 04-18-2006 08:44 AM

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Oh, and I'd follow Imaginary's build advice, especially slotting advice if you plan on respec'ing to a PvP specification. Actually, I'll post up my Ice/Elec build later as I've got one sitting at SL43.

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Cheers much appricated

Hammerfall · 04-18-2006 09:20 AM

My personal opinion is that acrobatics is an over-hyped power but everything else is valid.. Unsuppressed movement, acc slotting..

Mesmer · 04-18-2006 04:14 PM

Hehe Hammer, try fighting another Nrg/Nrg in PVP. I think you'll start liking it then . There's nothing quite as annoying as spending 75% of a pvp fight on your back . Not to mention going up against Stormies(Gale/hurricane), Bubblers(Forcebolt/ForceBubble/Repulsion Bomb/Repulsion Field), Ice Trollers(Ice slick), Earth Trollers (Earthquake) MA Scrappers(Crane Kick), Robot MM's(who probably have bubbles as well ), basically anyone with Air Superiority(some Stalkers get this, to keep people from running after AS) and many more powers.

Knockback/Down powers are more common in PVP than you think and people know how to use them very very well.

Extremus · 04-18-2006 05:15 PM

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Name: Frozen Electrum
Level: 50
Archetype: Blaster
Primary: Ice Blast
Secondary: Electricity Manipulation
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01) --> Ice Blast==> Dmg(1) Dmg(3) Dmg(3) Acc(15) Acc(23) EndRdx(34)
01) --> Electric Fence==> Acc(1)
02) --> Charged Brawl==> Dmg(2) Dmg(5) Dmg(5) Acc(15) Acc(23) EndRdx(36)
04) --> Ice Bolt==> Dmg(4) Dmg(7) Dmg(7) Acc(17) Acc(25)
06) --> Aim==> Rechg(6) Rechg(9) Rechg(9) TH_Buf(37) TH_Buf(39) TH_Buf(40)
08) --> Freeze Ray==> Acc(8) Acc(11) Hold(11) Hold(33)
10) --> Havoc Punch==> Dmg(10) Dmg(13) Dmg(13) Acc(17) Acc(25) EndRdx(36)
12) --> Combat Jumping==> Jump(12) Jump(43)
14) --> Super Jump==> EndRdx(14)
16) --> Build Up==> Rechg(16) Rechg(19) Rechg(19) TH_Buf(40) TH_Buf(42) TH_Buf(42)
18) --> Bitter Ice Blast==> Dmg(18) Dmg(21) Dmg(21) Acc(33) Acc(33) EndRdx(37)
20) --> Swift==> Run(20) Run(45)
22) --> Hurdle==> Jump(22) Jump(40) Jump(42)
24) --> Stamina==> EndMod(24) EndMod(27) EndMod(27)
26) --> Acrobatics==> EndRdx(26) EndRdx(46)
28) --> Thunder Strike==> Dmg(28) Dmg(29) Dmg(29) Acc(31) Acc(34) EndRdx(34)
30) --> Hasten==> Rechg(30) Rechg(31) Rechg(31)
32) --> Super Speed==> Run(32) EndRdx(36)
35) --> Power Sink==> Rechg(35) Rechg(37) Rechg(39) EndMod(39) EndMod(46) EndMod(50)
38) --> Grant Invisibility==> EndRdx(38)
41) --> Personal Force Field==> DefBuf(41) DefBuf(43) DefBuf(43)
44) --> Temp Invulnerability==> DmgRes(44) DmgRes(45) EndRdx(45) EndRdx(46)
47) --> Force of Nature==> Rechg(47) Rechg(48) Rechg(48) DmgRes(48) DmgRes(50) DmgRes(50)
49) --> Invisibility==> EndRdx(49)
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01) --> Power Slide==> Empty(1)
01) --> Power Quick==> Run(1)
01) --> Sprint==>
01) --> Brawl==> Empty(1)
01) --> Defiance==> Empty(1)
02) --> Rest==> Empty(2)
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That's what I'm probably going to go with PvP spec wise, it was very tempting to go for Elec Mastery, but this'll suit my play style a bit better.

Hope it helps.

Mesmer · 04-18-2006 05:38 PM

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it was very tempting to go for Elec Mastery, but this'll suit my play style a bit better.

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Tanking?

Extremus · 04-18-2006 05:45 PM

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it was very tempting to go for Elec Mastery, but this'll suit my play style a bit better.

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Tanking?

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No, my abhorence of down time.

Boltmeister · 04-19-2006 05:51 AM

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For a Blaster, no better than Energy/Energy, but I'm biased

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Good in PvE, viable in PvP (a wee different slotting tho) build:
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Name: Boltmeister
Level: 50
Archetype: Blaster
Primary: Energy Blast
Secondary: Energy Manipulation
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01) --> Power Blast==> Acc(1) Dmg(3) Dmg(7) Dmg(13) EndRdx(15) Rechg(33)
01) --> Power Thrust==> Acc(1)
02) --> Energy Punch==> Acc(2) Dmg(3) Dmg(7) Dmg(13) EndRdx(17) Rechg(34)
04) --> Build Up==> Rechg(4) Rechg(5) Rechg(5)
06) --> Hasten==> Rechg(6) Rechg(9) Rechg(9) Rechg(48)
08) --> Power Burst==> Acc(8) Dmg(11) Dmg(11) Dmg(17) EndRdx(27) Rechg(34)
10) --> Sniper Blast==> Acc(10) Dmg(29) Dmg(42) Dmg(46)
12) --> Aim==> Rechg(12) Rechg(15) Rechg(43)
14) --> Super Speed==> Run(14) Run(42) Run(43)
16) --> Swift==> Run(16)
18) --> Health==> Heal(18) Heal(19) Heal(19)
20) --> Stamina==> EndMod(20) EndMod(21) EndMod(21)
22) --> Bone Smasher==> Acc(22) Dmg(23) Dmg(23) Dmg(31) EndRdx(31) Rechg(31)
24) --> Conserve Power==> Rechg(24) Rechg(25) Rechg(25)
26) --> Air Superiority==> Acc(26) Dmg(27) Dmg(29) Dmg(37) EndRdx(37) Rechg(37)
28) --> Power Boost==> Rechg(28)
30) --> Aid Other==> Rechg(30)
32) --> Nova==> Acc(32) Dmg(33) Dmg(33) Dmg(34) Rechg(36) Rechg(36)
35) --> Aid Self==> Rechg(35) Heal(36) Heal(40) Heal(42) EndRdx(43) Rechg(46)
38) --> Total Focus==> Acc(38) Dmg(39) Dmg(39) Dmg(39) Rechg(40) EndRdx(40)
41) --> Personal Force Field==> DefBuf(41)
44) --> Temp Invulnerability==> DmgRes(44) DmgRes(45) DmgRes(45) EndRdx(45) EndRdx(46)
47) --> Force of Nature==> Rechg(47) Rechg(48) Rechg(48) DmgRes(50) DmgRes(50)
49) --> Fly==> Fly(49) Fly(50)
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01) --> Sprint==> Empty(1)
01) --> Brawl==> Empty(1)
01) --> Defiance==> Empty(1)
02) --> Rest==> Empty(2)
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With TempInvul and FoN running it'll give me the following numbers for resist damage:
L/S: 80.2%
Cold/Energy/Fire/NegEn/Toxic: 49%
Psi: 0%

MaXimillion_Zero · 04-19-2006 06:46 AM

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With TempInvul and FoN running it'll give me the following numbers for resist damage:
L/S: 80.2%
Cold/Energy/Fire/NegEn/Toxic: 49%
Psi: 0%

[/ QUOTE ]I'm not sure what thew blaster resistance cap is, but it damn sure is under 80%.

Irradiator_EU · 04-19-2006 06:54 AM

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With TempInvul and FoN running it'll give me the following numbers for resist damage:
L/S: 80.2%
Cold/Energy/Fire/NegEn/Toxic: 49%
Psi: 0%

[/ QUOTE ]I'm not sure what thew blaster resistance cap is, but it damn sure is under 80%.

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OMG, that 0.2% resistance is such a waste!

IN MEMORIUM OF GAYBABY
CRUELY TAKEN FROM THIS WORLD WHILE SO YOUNG

Boltmeister · 04-19-2006 09:44 AM

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With TempInvul and FoN running it'll give me the following numbers for resist damage:
L/S: 80.2%
Cold/Energy/Fire/NegEn/Toxic: 49%
Psi: 0%

[/ QUOTE ]I'm not sure what thew blaster resistance cap is, but it damn sure is under 80%.

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me haven't bothered to calculate this myself, figures are taken from the char-builder itself

MaXimillion_Zero · 04-19-2006 10:01 AM

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With TempInvul and FoN running it'll give me the following numbers for resist damage:
L/S: 80.2%
Cold/Energy/Fire/NegEn/Toxic: 49%
Psi: 0%

[/ QUOTE ]I'm not sure what thew blaster resistance cap is, but it damn sure is under 80%.

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OMG, that 0.2% resistance is such a waste!

[/ QUOTE ]It's AT LEAST under 75%, because that's the scrapper cap.

I'd suspect something like 50-60%.

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