Hobo, could you post Chives' build please? I'm not sure if it's just me that can't solo, or my builds... I always think it'sme because I'm used to playing a support character.
There i think ive gone and got chives's build for you.
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Name: Uber whirling death machine... of death.
Level: 50
Archetype: Scrapper
Primary: Spines
Secondary: Regeneration
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01) --> Lunge==> Acc(1)Dmg(39)Dmg(40)Dmg(40)Rechg(40)Rechg(43)
01) --> Fast Healing==> Heal(1)Heal(34)Heal(39)
02) --> Reconstruction==> Rechg(2)Rechg(3)Rechg(3)Heal(11)Heal(11)Heal(21)
04) --> Quick Recovery==> EndRec(4)EndRec(5)EndRec(5)
06) --> Build Up==> Rechg(6)Rechg(7)Rechg(7)
08) --> Impale==> Acc(8)Dmg(9)Dmg(9)Dmg(21)Rechg(25)Rechg(25)
10) --> Hasten==> Rechg(10)Rechg(46)
12) --> Dull Pain==> Rechg(12)Rechg(13)Rechg(13)Heal(15)Heal(15)Heal(19)
14) --> Super Speed==> Run(14)
16) --> Integration==> Heal(16)Heal(17)Heal(17)EndRdx(19)
18) --> Hurdle==> Jump(18)
20) --> Health==> Heal(20)
22) --> Stamina==> EndRec(22)EndRec(23)EndRec(23)
24) --> Resilience==> DmgRes(24)
26) --> Ripper==> Acc(26)Dmg(27)Dmg(27)Dmg(31)Rechg(31)Rechg(31)
28) --> Instant Healing==> Rechg(28)Rechg(29)Rechg(29)Heal(37)Heal(37)Heal(37)
30) --> Assault==> EndRdx(30)
32) --> Throw Spines==> Acc(32)Dmg(33)Dmg(33)Dmg(33)Rechg(34)Rechg(34)
35) --> Tactics==> TH_Buf(35)TH_Buf(36)TH_Buf(36)EndRdx(36)
38) --> Quills==> Acc(38)Acc(39)
41) --> Focused Accuracy==> EndRdx(41)EndRdx(42)EndRdx(42)TH_Buf(42)TH_Buf(43)TH_Buf(43)
44) --> Laser Beam Eyes==> Acc(44)Dmg(45)Dmg(45)Dmg(45)Rechg(46)Rechg(46)
47) --> Energy Torrent==> Acc(47)Dmg(48)Dmg(48)Dmg(48)Rechg(50)Rechg(50)
49) --> Whirlwind==> EndRdx(49)EndRdx(50)
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01) --> Sprint==> Empty(1)
01) --> Brawl==> Empty(1)
01) --> Critical Hit==> Empty(1)
02) --> Rest==> Empty(2)
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Here ladies and gentlemen I present to you the uber-whirling death machine... of death. PvP build as you might be able to see on first look, if not then look elsewhere!
Any comments? Is this not better than anything you could come up with for PvP? This build is mainly for Warburg/level 50 action.
Of course I'd never spec into this, I love Moment of Glory, Spine Burst and Tough too much.
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He will honor his words; he will definitely carry out his actions. What he promises he will fulfill. He does not care about his bodily self, putting his life and death aside to come forward for another's troubled besiegement. He does not boast about his ability, or shamelessly extol his own virtues. - Sima Qian.
Remember that's a PvP build though, you definately want powers such as Spine Burst for PvE.
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There i think ive gone and got chives's build for you.
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Name: Uber whirling death machine... of death.
Level: 50
Archetype: Scrapper
Primary: Spines
Secondary: Regeneration
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01) --> Lunge==> Acc(1)Dmg(39)Dmg(40)Dmg(40)Rechg(40)Rechg(43)
01) --> Fast Healing==> Heal(1)Heal(34)Heal(39)
02) --> Reconstruction==> Rechg(2)Rechg(3)Rechg(3)Heal(11)Heal(11)Heal(21)
04) --> Quick Recovery==> EndRec(4)EndRec(5)EndRec(5)
06) --> Build Up==> Rechg(6)Rechg(7)Rechg(7)
08) --> Impale==> Acc(8)Dmg(9)Dmg(9)Dmg(21)Rechg(25)Rechg(25)
10) --> Hasten==> Rechg(10)Rechg(46)
12) --> Dull Pain==> Rechg(12)Rechg(13)Rechg(13)Heal(15)Heal(15)Heal(19)
14) --> Super Speed==> Run(14)
16) --> Integration==> Heal(16)Heal(17)Heal(17)EndRdx(19)
18) --> Hurdle==> Jump(18)
20) --> Health==> Heal(20)
22) --> Stamina==> EndRec(22)EndRec(23)EndRec(23)
24) --> Resilience==> DmgRes(24)
26) --> Ripper==> Acc(26)Dmg(27)Dmg(27)Dmg(31)Rechg(31)Rechg(31)
28) --> Instant Healing==> Rechg(28)Rechg(29)Rechg(29)Heal(37)Heal(37)Heal(37)
30) --> Assault==> EndRdx(30)
32) --> Throw Spines==> Acc(32)Dmg(33)Dmg(33)Dmg(33)Rechg(34)Rechg(34)
35) --> Tactics==> TH_Buf(35)TH_Buf(36)TH_Buf(36)EndRdx(36)
38) --> Quills==> Acc(38)Acc(39)
41) --> Focused Accuracy==> EndRdx(41)EndRdx(42)EndRdx(42)TH_Buf(42)TH_Buf(43)TH_Buf(43)
44) --> Laser Beam Eyes==> Acc(44)Dmg(45)Dmg(45)Dmg(45)Rechg(46)Rechg(46)
47) --> Energy Torrent==> Acc(47)Dmg(48)Dmg(48)Dmg(48)Rechg(50)Rechg(50)
49) --> Whirlwind==> EndRdx(49)EndRdx(50)
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01) --> Sprint==> Empty(1)
01) --> Brawl==> Empty(1)
01) --> Critical Hit==> Empty(1)
02) --> Rest==> Empty(2)
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Here ladies and gentlemen I present to you the uber-whirling death machine... of death. PvP build as you might be able to see on first look, if not then look elsewhere!
Any comments? Is this not better than anything you could come up with for PvP? This build is mainly for Warburg/level 50 action.
Of course I'd never spec into this, I love Moment of Glory, Spine Burst and Tough too much.
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I don't think this is exactly Chives' build since he'd... "never spec into this, I love Moment of Glory, Spine Burst and Tough too much".
OP's planned build is looking pretty fun. A lot ff people have problems squeezing Build Up in early on, or either neglect it, for some bizzarre reason. Nice one for getting it in. I neglected to slot mine for ToHit buffs after the 3 x recharge. It's no biggy, but I'm definitely putting them in once I ever get granted a free respec at somepoint 
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And probably, I'll claim the slots off fast healing & health. In personal experience they don't make a great physical difference in the middle of a tasty scrap. Personal preference & comfort of course, & mine that I think I can get on with those slots put to better use.
Once you've get familiar with your best attacks & chaining them together, levering them all into that Build Up window is awesome, & with hasten running you'll be getting plenty of use out of it.
I tend to slot 3 damage, 2 accuracy, 1 recharge in my attacks. Never took focussed accuracy as I want to be able to go & have a bit of PvP fun in any of the zones when I feel like it, & you won't be able to even use Focussed Accuracy in Warburg. For PVE I like exemping down around friends & within my SG too, so I'm often below the Epics mark.
Slot Quills with a couple of end reduc' & you should have no need to spend atack slots on more end reduc' with QR & Stamina.
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Hobo, could you post Chives' build please? I'm not sure if it's just me that can't solo, or my builds... I always think it'sme because I'm used to playing a support character.
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My successful if I do say so myself level 50 PvE and PvP build -
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Name: Chives
Level: 50
Archetype: Scrapper
Primary: Spines
Secondary: Regeneration
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01) --> Lunge==> Acc(1)
01) --> Fast Healing==> Heal(1)Heal(13)Heal(46)
02) --> Spine Burst==> Acc(2)Dmg(3)Dmg(3)Dmg(5)Rechg(21)Rechg(21)
04) --> Quick Recovery==> EndRec(4)EndRec(5)EndRec(23)
06) --> Reconstruction==> Rechg(6)Rechg(7)Rechg(7)Heal(15)Heal(23)Heal(31)
08) --> Impale==> Acc(8)Dmg(9)Dmg(9)Dmg(15)Rechg(31)Rechg(31)
10) --> Build Up==> Rechg(10)Rechg(11)Rechg(11)
12) --> Hasten==> Rechg(12)Rechg(13)
14) --> Super Speed==> Run(14)
16) --> Integration==> Heal(16)Heal(17)Heal(17)EndRdx(37)
18) --> Dull Pain==> Rechg(18)Rechg(19)Rechg(19)Heal(34)Heal(37)Heal(37)
20) --> Hurdle==> Jump(20)
22) --> Health==> Heal(22)
24) --> Stamina==> EndRec(24)EndRec(25)EndRec(25)
26) --> Ripper==> Acc(26)Dmg(27)Dmg(27)Dmg(39)Rechg(40)Rechg(40)
28) --> Instant Healing==> Heal(28)Heal(29)Heal(29)Rechg(40)Rechg(43)Rechg(50)
30) --> Kick==> Acc(30)
32) --> Throw Spines==> Acc(32)Dmg(33)Dmg(33)Dmg(33)Rechg(34)Rechg(34)
35) --> Tough==> DmgRes(35)DmgRes(36)DmgRes(36)EndRdx(36)
38) --> Moment Of Glory==> DmgRes(38)DefBuf(39)DefBuf(39)
41) --> Focused Accuracy==> EndRdx(41)EndRdx(42)EndRdx(42)TH_Buf(42)TH_Buf(43)TH_Buf(43)
44) --> Laser Beam Eyes==> Acc(44)Dmg(45)Dmg(45)Dmg(45)Rechg(46)Rechg(46)
47) --> Energy Torrent==> Acc(47)Dmg(48)Dmg(48)Dmg(48)Rechg(50)Rechg(50)
49) --> Resilience==> DmgRes(49)
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01) --> Sprint==> Empty(1)
01) --> Brawl==> Empty(1)
01) --> Critical Hit==> Empty(1)
02) --> Rest==> Empty(2)
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Though it's not the build I leveled up with, I leveled up in I4 so didn't need things like Reconstruction, I had Resilience much earlier too, I would definately reccommend Resilience for leveling up before the 40s. I felt Tough was quite important, too.
World of Jackcraft.
Hey! You can't delete that reply! I put it in my signature and everything!
World of Jackcraft.
lol i can! i misread a post slightly by not taking into account speechmarks and posted it, then went omg and deleted it
He will honor his words; he will definitely carry out his actions. What he promises he will fulfill. He does not care about his bodily self, putting his life and death aside to come forward for another's troubled besiegement. He does not boast about his ability, or shamelessly extol his own virtues. - Sima Qian.
riiiight... confusing....
Jack, don't you have end problems with Tough aswell? Now at lvl 33 I have endurance problems, only toggles are Integration and Quills (nothing slotted for -end). If not, what have you slotted?
Quills is one of the highest end eaters in the entire game, even when 3 slotted with end SOs its still really meaty. If you want to run it perma (like I do) then judicious planning/slotting is required.
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Wait, so when all of you Spines/Regen people are fighting.. you don't run quills? When do you then?
*lookes up..sigh not another 1*
tough is still useless imo:P
and since when is spines so damn populair if you can get much better sets:P
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Wait, so when all of you Spines/Regen people are fighting.. you don't run quills? When do you then?
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Quills is one of the highest end eaters in the entire game, even when 3 slotted with end SOs its still really meaty. If you want to run it perma (like I do) then judicious planning/slotting is required.
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LoL.. ok.. ermm i have mine running all the time, with Integration (neither have -end) and I see no worries..
3 slot ::recovery
3 slot :: stamina
2 acc 3dmg :: quills (as well as my other attacks)
3 health :: intergration
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dead mobs, lotsa pretty 15dmg+ numbers :: and :: no problems even in a heavy fight, so I don't know what you're doing wrong.
As for Resilience so late in ur levels :/ not too sure about that.. imho, with mine, you need it as soon as you get it. Chives might agree/disagree with me on that one, but playing my own spines/regen, I say you need it sooner.
As for Tough.. mmm...
I've thought about it, I do have problems with Lethal Damage sometimes, but since I've never done a respec mission yet (and it's level 42, and thinking I might need one soon..), so I have plenty time to experiment with mine and tweak it.
But, I'll be looking thru some Spines/Regen build notes people give to help tweak mine - where maybe needed.
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Wait, so when all of you Spines/Regen people are fighting.. you don't run quills? When do you then?
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It's tough to run while fighting an Arch-villian, but otherwise it's alright just don't run travel powers while fighting, put an end reducer in all toggles (you said you were getting Tough right?) and perhaps two in Quills.
It's also worth noting that Raziel only solos his Spines Scrapper, which is probably a waste - Spines are at their best when in the middle of a cosey Unyeilding 8 man mission spawn. This is also when their end pool is at it's worst, though.
World of Jackcraft.
Well, I have changed my build along the way since making this build... I made it before I had started the character I think. Now at 33, I'm getting Resilience at 35.
And thinking about it, apart from uncovering Stalkers, how good is Quills? I had it 3 slotted for damage at one point, and I think it still did less than brawl (unslotted)....?
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Quills is one of the highest end eaters in the entire game, even when 3 slotted with end SOs its still really meaty. If you want to run it perma (like I do) then judicious planning/slotting is required.
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LoL.. ok.. ermm i have mine running all the time, with Integration (neither have -end) and I see no worries..
3 slot ::recovery
3 slot :: stamina
2 acc 3dmg :: quills (as well as my other attacks)
3 health :: intergration
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dead mobs, lotsa pretty 15dmg+ numbers :: and :: no problems even in a heavy fight, so I don't know what you're doing wrong.
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Please excuse my comments they are usually based upon my own play, game and possibly in response to one of the other myriad of spine/regens topics going on not always applicable to different situations without explanation.
With QR + Stamina running Vs Quils (9 slotted essentially ) Integration, SJ and my attack chain (sirens spec) I rarely see the slightest dip in endurance. My game however is now factored at the top end of the game, I can solo the lvl 54 EB pets (unless they get a rogue 1500pt attack in while DP is down) with Quills, assault, tactics, FA, Integration, SJ (usually forget as I dont take this on many alts 
) and SS, sometimes I have to switch off the leadership buffs (and SJ when i see 
) to prevent a inopportune crash though.
Doing something wrong? nope not on my build, was just saying to anyone reading that quills has a monster end cost (highest for any toggle AFAIK) of 1.04 per tick unslotted, so thats more than 3 slotted stamina will give you back (0.988) even 6 slotted stamina which is 1.064 or 3 slotted QR (gives you 1.092) barely gives you an actual end return over running quils.
Its a great power but end reds are well utilised in it IMHO as otherwise quills negates one of the great powers that regsn can get over other scrappers (essentially takes QR for quills without end reds) ED hit Quills usage hard and I made my build around this power (mainly for stalkers in sirens 
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And thinking about it, apart from uncovering Stalkers, how good is Quills? I had it 3 slotted for damage at one point, and I think it still did less than brawl (unslotted)....?
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dont bother with the damage IMO, its incidental and nice if you cen get it but quills is mainly a "scare" and suplimental damage power in the PVP zones as hide gives quite a high def buff Vs quills when hidden (annoyingly) even with 3 acc in it. The "miss" notification means u can whack on DP and batter the stalker if the AS hits and quills are great in an actual fight if you can keep them up.
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Well, I have been thinking about this character for a while now, and just threw this build together...Probably many stupid mistakes, please forgive me!
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Name:
Level: 50
Archetype: Scrapper
Primary: Spines
Secondary: Regeneration
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01) --> Lunge==> Dmg(1)Dmg(19)Dmg(23)Acc(42)Acc(50)
01) --> Fast Healing==> Heal(1)Heal(7)Heal(9)
02) --> Reconstruction==> Rechg(2)Rechg(3)Rechg(3)Heal(5)Heal(5)Heal(7)
04) --> Quick Recovery==> EndMod(4)EndMod(17)EndMod(19)
06) --> Spine Burst==> Dmg(6)Dmg(23)Dmg(25)Acc(37)
08) --> Impale==> Dmg(8)Dmg(9)Dmg(25)Acc(34)Acc(50)
10) --> Dull Pain==> Rechg(10)Heal(11)Rechg(11)Rechg(13)Heal(13)Heal(15)
12) --> Hasten==> Rechg(12)Rechg(15)Rechg(17)
14) --> Super Speed==> Run(14)
16) --> Integration==> Heal(16)Heal(31)Heal(34)
18) --> Quills==> Dmg(18)Dmg(31)Dmg(31)Acc(39)Acc(50)
20) --> Build Up==> Rechg(20)Rechg(21)Rechg(21)
22) --> Hurdle==> Jump(22)Jump(43)Jump(45)
24) --> Health==> Heal(24)Heal(45)Heal(45)
26) --> Ripper==> Dmg(26)Dmg(27)Dmg(27)Acc(43)
28) --> Instant Healing==> Rechg(28)Rechg(29)Rechg(29)Heal(36)Heal(36)Heal(37)
30) --> Stamina==> EndMod(30)EndMod(34)EndMod(36)
32) --> Throw Spines==> Dmg(32)Dmg(33)Dmg(33)Acc(33)Acc(46)
35) --> Resilience==> DmgRes(35)DmgRes(37)DmgRes(43)
38) --> Moment Of Glory==> Rechg(38)Rechg(39)Rechg(39)DefBuf(40)DefBuf(40)DefBuf(40)
41) --> Focused Accuracy==> TH_Buf(41)TH_Buf(42)TH_Buf(42)
44) --> Revive==> Rechg(44)Rechg(46)Rechg(46)Heal(48)
47) --> Stealth==> DefBuf(47)DefBuf(48)EndRdx(48)
49) --> Grant Invisibility==> DefBuf(49)
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01) --> Sprint==> Empty(1)
01) --> Brawl==> Empty(1)
01) --> Critical Hit==> Empty(1)
02) --> Rest==> Empty(2)
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So, advice?
And now the next subject... Costumes... I can think of one, but I need Villain options...
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This is how i would revise your build.
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Name: Spikey Marine
Level: 50
Archetype: Scrapper
Primary: Spines
Secondary: Regeneration
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01) --> Lunge==> Dmg(1) Dmg(3) Dmg(13) Acc(31)
01) --> Fast Healing==> Heal(1) Heal(5) Heal(7)
02) --> Spine Burst==> Dmg(2) Dmg(3) Dmg(9) Acc(36) EndRdx(37)
04) --> Quick Recovery==> EndMod(4) EndMod(5) EndMod(11)
06) --> Reconstruction==> Heal(6) Heal(7) Rechg(9)
08) --> Impale==> Dmg(8) Dmg(15) Dmg(21) Acc(31) EndRdx(37)
10) --> Dull Pain==> Heal(10) Rechg(11) Rechg(23) Heal(43)
12) --> Combat Jumping==> Jump(12) DefBuf(13) DefBuf(21) EndRdx(46)
14) --> Super Jump==> Jump(14) Jump(15) Jump(34)
16) --> Integration==> EndRdx(16) Heal(17) Heal(17) Heal(46)
18) --> Quills==> EndRdx(18) Dmg(19) Dmg(19) Acc(31) EndRdx(37)
20) --> Swift==> Run(20) Run(43)
22) --> Health==> Heal(22) Heal(23) Heal(29)
24) --> Build Up==> Rechg(24) Rechg(25) Rechg(25)
26) --> Ripper==> Dmg(26) Dmg(27) Dmg(27) Acc(29) EndRdx(42) Rechg(46)
28) --> Instant Healing==> Heal(28) Heal(34) Rechg(34) Rechg(36)
30) --> Stamina==> EndMod(30) EndMod(33) EndMod(33)
32) --> Throw Spines==> Dmg(32) Dmg(33) Dmg(40) Acc(42) EndRdx(42)
35) --> Revive==> Rechg(35) Rechg(36)
38) --> Moment Of Glory==> DmgRes(38) DmgRes(39) DmgRes(39) DefBuf(39) DefBuf(40) DefBuf(40)
41) --> Boxing==> Dmg(41) Acc(43)
44) --> Tough==> EndRdx(44) DmgRes(45) DmgRes(45) DmgRes(45)
47) --> Weave==> EndRdx(47) DefBuf(48) DefBuf(48) DefBuf(48)
49) --> Resilience==> DmgRes(49) DmgRes(50) DmgRes(50) DmgRes(50)
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01) --> Sprint==> Jump(1)
01) --> Brawl==> Dmg(1)
01) --> Critical Hit==> Empty(1)
02) --> Rest==> Rechg(2)
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And for costume, just go with your head. 
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It's also worth noting that Raziel only solos his Spines Scrapper, which is probably a waste - Spines are at their best when in the middle of a cosey Unyeilding 8 man mission spawn. This is also when their end pool is at it's worst, though.
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Hmm, some interesting regen slotting there - Reconstruction and Dull Pain definately want 3xHeal and 3xRecharge and MoG only needs 1xDamRes to hit the resist cap. Plus 4 enhancements of the same type in Resilience.
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It's also worth noting that Raziel only solos his Spines Scrapper, which is probably a waste - Spines are at their best when in the middle of a cosey Unyeilding 8 man mission spawn. This is also when their end pool is at it's worst, though.
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No because that's slower. Plus in 8 man you can go solo one side of the mission while you team does the other side, double the exp.
World of Jackcraft.
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I'd rather say they're the best when herding 1-3 -man mission spawns
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i do that too much.. my GF think's im mad lol
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Hmm, some interesting regen slotting there - Reconstruction and Dull Pain definately want 3xHeal and 3xRecharge and MoG only needs 1xDamRes to hit the resist cap. Plus 4 enhancements of the same type in Resilience.
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a) I thought MoG was at it's cap with slotted Resilience?
b) You don't mean 4 Dmg Res in Resilience, do you?
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It's also worth noting that Raziel only solos his Spines Scrapper, which is probably a waste - Spines are at their best when in the middle of a cosey Unyeilding 8 man mission spawn. This is also when their end pool is at it's worst, though.
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Can be for most ATs Hobo, like ALL human WS, it's a waste of a WS-capacity.
But like any player it's the playstyle and how they use it power application on Unyielding (like mine usually) or anything really.
And I don't fully solo it, my GF's toon "Subjective Might" comes with me when she's not at work, otherwise I solo it 90%.
End Pool wise yea.. lengthy battles can be a pain -- but I've played worse.
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Running Super Jump and quills seems completely pointless to me, surely Super Jump will always be suppressed.
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They changed it... was it I5? Don't remember, but Quills doesn't trigger suppression anymore.
World of Jackcraft.