Well maybe 6 bubblers might be over kill and a case of basket and eggs. Maybe 4 would do. Sex it up a bit with some other AT's.
Its virtually unresistable. Being able to keep someone else perma-phased is a nice option to consider though...even if its not the same person all the time.
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Archetype make-up can effect the outcome of PvP battles, but I think PvP experience can do just as much. 
And as I recall in the 2nd PvP match against Art-Of-War, we beat you 
(we were exemped to 20 or something).
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What are you so afraid about, you were on the winning side no?
@Hakeswell
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I think we can agree that pvp is very much a rock paper scissors affair todays unbeatable team is tomorrows prime target in sirens, once people see how effective something is people work harder to beat it.
Groups work best when they compliment each other, and are able to adapt to the "game" going in with one plan can only lead to failure, it might work once or twice but ultimately once people except it then you'll find it difficult.
Out of the box thinking and new and interesting tactics are to be praised so keep em coming just remember one thing, something that some people dont grasp, this is a game, it is played for fun, not just yours but the other players to, winning is important but so is enjoyment.
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Archetype make-up can effect the outcome of PvP battles, but I think PvP experience can do just as much.
And as I recall in the 2nd PvP match against Art-Of-War, we beat you (we were exemped to 20 or something).
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I was never part of that second match, from what I heard there were only 6 or 8 a side.
Ta cherry 
@Sweet Chilli
have we even got 8 regular pvping level 50 bubblers? no? thats that then. 
tbh, i'd be a lot more worried facing 8 rad defenders using TK. All that stacked rad...*shudders*
( I'm now grinning at the thought of knightstalker, Chives, Beowulf, Sgt etc.. TK'ed in the office with eight lots of rad debuffs...regen scrappers ftw my arrsse )
We don't need 8 regular playing bubblers.
We just need 8 bubblers! Thats all we need to test it, brains!
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Archetype make-up can effect the outcome of PvP battles, but I think PvP experience can do just as much.
And as I recall in the 2nd PvP match against Art-Of-War, we beat you (we were exemped to 20 or something).
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I was never part of that second match, from what I heard there were only 6 or 8 a side.
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The levels were all messed up in the first. Still, you creamed us in the 1st, we creamed you in the 2nd.
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To test it properly you would need 8 bubblers with PvP experience. If not the bubblers would just get spanked, or it would just be a test on feasibility rather than how it works in practice which benefits no-one, brains.
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tbh mate, it's a nice idea, but in practise it just wouldn't work. Even with teamspeak the organisation would be just impossible.
Here's why...
For your plan to work it would require perfect timing. That means all eight of your defenders targetting separate members of the opposite team at the same time. Then each target has to be hit with the power within a few seconds of one another. Even with verbal communication this would be an almost impossible feat.
Take a the 8 bubblers vs a group of 8 blasters for example. It doesnt matter what target the blasters hit as long as they pick one. In fact if two blasters mistakenly hit the same target the only thing that will happen is the target will drop faster. Once one defender drops, it's game over. Can you really imagine it?
defender1,"ok ive got cherry fusion targetted"
defender2,"ok ive got knight"the nimmer"stalker targetted"
defender3,"oh i had knight stalker, ok ill take gatling"
defender4,"anyone got a rez?"
defender5,"arrsse wrong target"
defender6,"stop all speaking at once, i cant understand anything!"
defender7(Leader),"ok, all dimension shift"
defender8"This isnt gonna work, im off to get my troller"
Total convo time=20secs
Time to team wipe out=30secs 
Overall, if the 8 bubblers were controlled by 8 borg drones, then they would own. As it stands we only have one borg drone in the shape of the rad/rad defender aka cherry fusion.
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And as I recall in the 2nd PvP match against Art-Of-War, we beat you (we were exemped to 20 or something).
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It was 6v6 iirc, and we were exemped to lvl 12. No travel powers and no debuff resistance 
Good fight and good orginisation, no way to beat a hurricane at lvl 12 with just one blaster and I believe the score in the 2nd match was 20+ - 2. I won't post the numbers to the first match
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Archetype make-up can effect the outcome of PvP battles, but I think PvP experience can do just as much.
And as I recall in the 2nd PvP match against Art-Of-War, we beat you (we were exemped to 20 or something).
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I was never part of that second match, from what I heard there were only 6 or 8 a side.
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It was 6v6 iirc, and we were exemped to lvl 12. No travel powers and no debuff resistance Good fight and good orginisation, no way to beat a hurricane at lvl 12 with just one blaster and I believe the score in the 2nd match was 20+ - 2. I won't post the numbers to the first match
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feel free to call the AoW exterminators if u need help SNHS
Well have you ever done those mishes where you have to defuse bombs at the same time? We all mange to do them without teamspeak.
You little speach is just stupid. So thats exactly how it would go then is it? Oh well, lets not bother then. Because in your head thats exactly how it went. Nevermind the fact that you have never tested it or have a bubbler with PvP experience.
So can we have a duel them? Just in your head of course because thats the ultimate arena. Lets say my scrapper against your blaster?
Please list what happens in the fight and give us the end result please. Maybe we should just PvP like this in future. Never actually load up CoX....just ask Andy75 and he will tell you what happens in the fight and who wins.
More impressively, if its a team v's team, he can tell you what everyone says over team speak too. He has ultime knowledge of all things by the look of it. Maybe I should be careful because I am sitting here mocking God. wonder if a lightening bolt is going to hit me any minute now.
So Andy is saying that with a team of 8 bubblers, it will be IMPOSSIBLE for them to detension bubble 7 of the other team within 5 seconds of each other. Totally and utterly impossible. No force on Earth could ever accomplish this task. Andy says that and thats good enough for me. I'll stick it on my impossible list. I'll even put it about 'making a square circle'.
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Well have you ever done those mishes where you have to defuse bombs at the same time? We all mange to do them without teamspeak.
You little speach is just stupid. So thats exactly how it would go then is it? Oh well, lets not bother then. Because in your head thats exactly how it went. Nevermind the fact that you have never tested it or have a bubbler with PvP experience.
So can we have a duel them? Just in your head of course because thats the ultimate arena. Lets say my scrapper against your blaster?
Please list what happens in the fight and give us the end result please. Maybe we should just PvP like this in future. Never actually load up CoX....just ask Andy75 and he will tell you what happens in the fight and who wins.
More impressively, if its a team v's team, he can tell you what everyone says over team speak too. He has ultime knowledge of all things by the look of it. Maybe I should be careful because I am sitting here mocking God. wonder if a lightening bolt is going to hit me any minute now.
So Andy is saying that with a team of 8 bubblers, it will be IMPOSSIBLE for them to detension bubble 7 of the other team within 5 seconds of each other. Totally and utterly impossible. No force on Earth could ever accomplish this task. Andy says that and thats good enough for me. I'll stick it on my impossible list. I'll even put it about 'making a square circle'.
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dude calm down...you've got pretty much every experienced pvp player on union telling u aint gonna work, deal with it
And I resent being called a Borg Drone, I'm clearly atleast a Queen.
There are no experienced PvP'ers on here. I thought the last fight against defiant proved that.
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Let me get this right, you are comparing 8 experienced Heros, that can move, comunicated and think, to an inert object?
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You little speach is just stupid. So thats exactly how it would go then is it? Oh well, lets not bother then. Because in your head thats exactly how it went. Nevermind the fact that you have never tested it or have a bubbler with PvP experience.
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I'm pretty sure Andy has fought against many bubblers, and knows the ins and outs of PvP better than you or me.
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So Andy is saying that with a team of 8 bubblers, it will be IMPOSSIBLE for them to detension bubble 7 of the other team within 5 seconds of each other. Totally and utterly impossible. No force on Earth could ever accomplish this task. Andy says that and thats good enough for me. I'll stick it on my impossible list. I'll even put it about 'making a square circle'.
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It is impossible to permphase shift someone, which is what you are suggesting, this is not due to anyones PvP abilty, but due to the game mechanics. Have you ever used detention field in PvP? All phase shifting powers in PvP (Detention field, Black Hole, Dimension Shift) all have a greatly reduced duration in PvP. Please if you manage to make it permable with no outside buffs (on a 8man bubbler team you aren't going to get any, anyway) tell me. If you can get 8 Bubbling defenders to prove your theory (that is all it is atm) then please do so, and prove us wrong. Until then, our theory disapproves your theory. Lets just agree to disagree.
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sigh....here we go again....just when u were doing so well in being polite mate....u have proved time and time again u havent a clue what u r talking about...u cant judge ppl on a one time 8v8 fight....union team had their empath unexpectedly out and their controller and blaster had no experience of pvp controlling and blasting....anyway no1 agrees with u so deal with it...sorry to be harsh but ppl have tried being nice and u clearly cant accept any1 elses point of view and u only have a detrimental effect on these forums
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Dude like chill. And with regards to this comment, maybe there were just better on the day. There are always winners and losers and just because you lose dont make you rubbish or unexperienced!
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Dude like chill. And with regards to this comment, maybe there were just better on the day. There are always winners and losers and just because you lose dont make you rubbish or unexperienced!
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i very much doubt "bob" has ever found a team that wanted to team with him for pvp due to his detrimental nature...
I've teamed with him, everyone should calm down and start talking about what this thread is about.
Well sorry for making a suggestion. And the key thing is I'm not saying that 1 bubbler is unstoppable. But if we got those odds up to 8 onto 1 then those 8 would have a fairly good chance. Right - I'm off now to test the duration in PvP...
@Sweet Chilli
Sgt_Furnace
Just tested it on a brute called Project VIII. And guess what? I could perma-phase him even WITHOUT hasten on.
And I have never said it was anything other than a theory. But so many people have dismissed it off hand. Anyone could come up with a scheme like this. But to have the skill to implement it and weed out the weaknesses is where the real PvP skill lies. There is no skill in having a great build and button basking your way through people, but thinking outside the box is where the skill lies.
@Sweet Chilli
Art of War had an Arena battle against SNHS just for fun. 12+ vs 12+ not sure on the exact numbers. The score was something silly and I'm afraid Art of War won.