On the other mmo's I play smacktalk is seen as being something highly negative to engage in and if you do it you are seen as being an amateur and deserving of no respect.
It's quite effective at keeping it to a minimum.
@ravenswing: it indeed was in CoH I got these blind invites and following insults, was playin my WS at the time, just soloin a bit till 45, he was, I dunno.. 7/8 lvls iirc lower than me so it kinda struck me odd he got abusive and all. Might be me puttin people in boxes, but that kind of behaviour kinda struck me as someone that had a bad day cause there was no Dreck.
Bout the CoC.. everybody having their own ethics aint necessary a bad thing. Must admit my own "policies" sometimes differ from the common view. For instance I sometimes defend nerfs if they get attacked for the wrong reasons. However, there should be SOME boundaries set. Even though as TG said we all have our different behaviors and its hard to follow rules not set by the Devs, I think there are certain points we DO all agree on.
For one thing, I doubt some here will actually defend tping people in mobs just to let em get killed by mobs and gain debt. Think we all agree on that that it's griefing.
And @kara, any smacktalk thats done that aint lighthearted banter, I always regard the one that engages in such smacktalk as a moron. Like I said for instance the one that spammed me with insulting tells after I declined his invites, is considered by me as some idiot that just PLs his way to 50 and think anybody that plays the game not PLing is a n00b etc etc. On the other hand, ask for instance jiaozy or thePhilosopher or any frequent visitor of the union badgehunters channel.. I do like having some lighthearted banter againt people I know, which I think should be possible.
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No offense to the original poster or those that have been victims of griefers in the pvp zones, but it just struck me how the most popular threads on the pvp sections are always the ones about griefing.
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hmmmm it seems there has been a slight so called "generation" change regarding the player base...CoV is fresh and many tools from other games have migrated there.Furthermore the tools we had here take it out in PvP zones. Unfortunately situations like that is best try and calm down and do your best to drive them off the zone by killing them. Hmmm unfortunately engagin in banter is unavoidable cause many teams it really goes beyond our tolerance. To be honest devs need to set a RoC and CoC as soon as possible for PvP cause somethings are going beyond the line with all the newbies flooding the server thinking its some CS and frag game.
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What are RoC and CoC?
Btw I have noticed cov is really flowing with fresh players..
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I got called Chicken Legs by a Brute last week.
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LMAO Was the Brute named Undead Hulk by any chance? 
That's my Lvl 40 SS/Inv and he doesn't half pack a punch with his lvl 43 SO's in Knockout Blow (a big thanks to all those that gave their life (unvoluntarily or otherwise) so that I could get enough bounty for 6 lvl 43 SO's last weekend). 
Soz mate didn't know it was you. I love going in Sirens with Hulk and winding up the heroes (sorry if I have offended anybody seriously). I mostly solo there. Pains in the backsides for me are rads and kins in particular recently Sweet Chilli who even with all his +acc stuff Hulk can hardly hit once them damn debuffs are out! A katana/super reflex scrapper has given me pain too - once they build up that defense I really struggle to hit them to.
My acc probs with Hulk are weird. He has an acc in each attack, perma Rage, the +acc from invincibility and tactics for that little bit extra and yet still struggles with some foes. I have to say though that ill/kin trollers in Warburg haven't been too much of a problem - their pets cannot get my attention from whupping their masters [censored] and blind rarely hit to hold me. I have had 2 proper matches with ill/kins so far and won both 3-0 even with no end and my toggles dropped as a result. Nice debuffs shame about the lack of damage from Illusion?
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What are RoC and CoC?
Btw I have noticed cov is really flowing with fresh players..
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Rules/Code of Conduct
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What are RoC and CoC?
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Sorry i didnt clarify earlier and i made a typo as well
RoE-Rules of Engagement that are set in order to allow devs,support team and players to determine whats griefing and what is not
CoC- Code of Conduct regarding behavious within the PvP zones.
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My acc probs with Hulk are weird. He has an acc in each attack, perma Rage, the +acc from invincibility and tactics for that little bit extra and yet still struggles with some foes. I have to say though that ill/kin trollers in Warburg haven't been too much of a problem - their pets cannot get my attention from whupping their masters [censored] and blind rarely hit to hold me. I have had 2 proper matches with ill/kins so far and won both 3-0 even with no end and my toggles dropped as a result. Nice debuffs shame about the lack of damage from Illusion?
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You do know accuracy on PvP zones is 50% as opposed to PvE zones 75%+ normal accuracy? (Well accuracy is lowered, but im not really sure on those numbers)
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I had a really annoying time in sirens last night, i think that was mainly due to being one shotted by stalkers though 
IMHO if you get AS'd by a stalker than you shouldnt be able to get AS'd by another for 10 secs or so. I got hit by 4 AS at once last night on 3 seperate occasions
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muahahhahahhahha i dont think ive killed you more than twice so far........in which case i need to step up my rampages! XD
I don't really care if I get insulting tells or shouts on broadcast. So what? What do they know? and usually its quite amusing to see them using offencive and abusive language Why would I take it to myself if someone calls my mother a [censored] or that I have a small [censored]? Unless you'v actually slept with my mother and paid for it, or seen my little man it's all just big joke to me Its only a game!
TPing in to mobs? Go ahead I dont mind. I don't do it on purpose, but if you get kicks out of it go ahead.. I can take it Its PvP and as long as its not actively monitored things like that is bound to happen. Enter PvP zone at your own risk.
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I don't really care if I get insulting tells or shouts on broadcast. So what? What do they know? and usually its quite amusing to see them using offencive and abusive language Why would I take it to myself if someone calls my mother a [censored] or that I have a small [censored]? Unless you'v actually slept with my mother and paid for it, or seen my little man it's all just big joke to me Its only a game!
TPing in to mobs? Go ahead I dont mind. I don't do it on purpose, but if you get kicks out of it go ahead.. I can take it Its PvP and as long as its not actively monitored things like that is bound to happen. Enter PvP zone at your own risk.
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I'm lad your thick skinned enough to take it all on the chin, sadly i'm not. I also worry about new players coming in, seeing some pretty heavy abuse going on then buggering off because of it.
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My acc probs with Hulk are weird. He has an acc in each attack, perma Rage, the +acc from invincibility and tactics for that little bit extra and yet still struggles with some foes. I have to say though that ill/kin trollers in Warburg haven't been too much of a problem - their pets cannot get my attention from whupping their masters [censored] and blind rarely hit to hold me. I have had 2 proper matches with ill/kins so far and won both 3-0 even with no end and my toggles dropped as a result. Nice debuffs shame about the lack of damage from Illusion?
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You do know accuracy on PvP zones is 50% as opposed to PvE zones 75%+ normal accuracy? (Well accuracy is lowered, but im not really sure on those numbers)
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Base accuracy in PvE Zones is 75%.
Base accuracy in PvP Zones is 50%.
What I'm not sure about is whether it's actually PvE and PvP targets, rather than zones.
Anyway, if you're trying to hit another toon in a PvP zone, you're 25% less likely to hit than you would be if you were hitting some mob in a PvE zone.
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However, you should have petitioned him, mate. I only have Bridger's word that that will result in anything at all, but if you don't send the petition, this kind of thing will just continue until only the tools want to go to the PvP zones.
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Your prolly right. I've never had to petition anyone before so I was a bit reluctant. If theres a next time, i'l petition then put them on ignore.
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I have suspended judgement on this topic: if someone is annoying me, they are probably annoying other people as well. Petition them all and let the GMs sort it out.
Edit: adding comment on teleporting people and on broadcast insults:
Teleporting into drones: annoying, but debt free - valid tactic. Teleporting into other mobs: gives debt - griefing. /Petition the blaggard!
Broadcast insults: if it's excessively personal or obscene /petition and /ignore are your friends. Otherwise take it on the chin or give it back as you prefer.
One more thing about this TPing or pushing into mobs. Its not nececcarily done in purpose. Theres been many times when I'v been trying to catch a fleeing enemy and simultaneusly trying to use TP foe. I don't always have time to check out that there are no NPCs around when I stop and use TPfoe. Yet I get accused of griefing coz they happened to end up near NPCs.
Same thing with telekinesis. I use it as a hold sometimes. Pick a target and push him a away while spamming holds on someone else. I cant be sure where that TKed villain ends up. In a mob? Tough luck but I certainly didn't do it on purpose. Should I just stop using my powers then just because I might be accused of griefing? Nope.
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Should I just stop using my powers then just because I might be accused of griefing? Nope.
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Agreed.
OTOH, you also can't really complain when they accuse you of griefing and lodge a petition. They don't know what your intention was, they just know you did all that and killed them by dropping them in mobs.
Swings and roundabouts.
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Thats definetely a no regarding this. I not want anyone that i personally not recognise as authority over me in game to set me a bunch of rules that i might not agree. It might be the majority in here that fancies 1 on 1 fights thinking pvp zones is some kind of arena or so and they decide to set a rule that 1vs1 fights are allowed.
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What if the devs decided 1 on 1 fights should be left to fight it out themselves and that TP foe should never be used?
The problem with letting devs decide is that we have a more diverse playerbase here, from more than one culture. The point of letting players decide is individual cases could be taken into account.
I think we could all agree on most aspects of what concernes griefing. There would be debates about other areas, but at least it would put the opinions out in the open.
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What if the devs decided 1 on 1 fights should be left to fight it out themselves and that TP foe should never be used?
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how could that be enforced? I dont interupt 1v1s personally but there is the arena for 1v1
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I wouldnt class TPing someone into some mobs as griefing, more like unsporting.
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I wouldnt class TPing someone into some mobs as griefing, more like unsporting.
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I'd imagine it depends on how often it's done to the same person.
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I wouldnt class TPing someone into some mobs as griefing, more like unsporting.
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I'd imagine it depends on how often it's done to the same person.
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Technically I could see it as a valid tactic, but I would never use it myself, simply because of the debt it will eventually cause. Its true that having NPC's around doesnt always result in someone getting debt, but it becomes a high risk. If say, a tanker or a brute was giving some weaker heroes/villains a hard time, they should be able to manuever the situation into some NPC's to try even the odds. If the entire no debt/xp deal was in action, this would happen a lot more. However, as it stands, we do get debt, and it is the full-scale outdoor debt too. Its not quite so bad if you're a level 22 who lands some debt, as say, a level 35 or above. Sure the debt can be worked off, but as a controller who usually ends up having to solo, or if im really lucky complete missions duo-style, its a massive pain in the behind to work off debt, and slows down my already slow progress.
At the same time, mistakes do happen. I've been AS'ed and fell from flight into a mob the stalker couldnt see, just the same as i've used 'crush' to drop a super-jumping escapee to the floor, only to realise they were passing over a mob at the time. These things happen, and thats why by my own personal code of conduct, I -also- fight the NPC's along with the villains. Aggro management might prevent me from getting as much bounty, but I can hunt guilt free
I think the devs did the right idea by leaving any additional rules out of the PVP zones, that way you can fight full-force against people. But they -really- do need to clarify a few things. If they could officially say "a, b and c are all legal tactics, though x, y and z are all against the rules and petitionable. K, l and m are frowned upon, but are valid tactics until we nerf them", then it would really remove a lot of the excuses for the in-zone debates and flamefests.
Then again, people will argue even if the rules are clearly outlined for us, but at least it'd stop a few of us from adding to the flaming tumbleweed
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how could that be enforced? I dont interupt 1v1s personally but there is the arena for 1v1
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I'm not saying it could be enforced but TG pointed out that he would be in favour of a COC and ROE if the devs provided it but not if the playerbase decided on it. I was mearly asking his opinion of the situation if the devs then decided to 'criminalise' something that he wouldn't have agreed to abide by in a player-created ruleset.
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I think the devs did the right idea by leaving any additional rules out of the PVP zones, that way you can fight full-force against people. But they -really- do need to clarify a few things. If they could officially say "a, b and c are all legal tactics, though x, y and z are all against the rules and petitionable. K, l and m are frowned upon, but are valid tactics until we nerf them", then it would really remove a lot of the excuses for the in-zone debates and flamefests
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They have ..... there are no rules! The only thing you can petition is abusive language etc. Being teleported into a mob = not griefing. Being teleported into a mob and being held = not griefing. Calling a person all the names under the sun = griefing.
Whilst we may not agree with the devs views on griefing (I personally dont see how teleporting people on purpose into a mob and then being held by them whilst they watch the mob kill you is not classed as griefing) that is what they are. Ultimately, if you can't deal with that then dont enter.
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But funnily yesterday I got even worse insults just for inviting people to my team =S "Hey wanna join? team lvl 20"- "Shut up u [censored] [censored], cant ya see my msg? say SOLO ya [censored] [censored] stop annoying ya..."
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Yep, I've had that too.
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Happened to me I got spammed by insulting tells after I declined 3 blind invites from the same guy and then sent a tell that if I declined the first time it's not likely that I will accept nr 2, 3, 4... and asked him if he could stop sending those invites. Immediate reply: "shut up u n00b!" and "y r u retarted or something?!?!".
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And this.
Both in CoV strangely enough, within 1 month of release, and neither happened to me in all the time I've played CoH.
I suspect that the instant players are allowed to play an "evil" faction, they gain a mysterious A-Hole chromosome (maybe that's their superpower). "Well, what can you do? I'm a VILLAIN!" yeah, you are also an idiot.
You get exactly the same behaviour in WoW from the Horde side.
I must say I was looking forward to CoV like a little kid looking forward to christmas morning, right up untill the time when I actually tried it, and experienced all the bad behaviour that an evil faction will produce.
Not saying there's no idiots in CoH. Just saying there are less of them.
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The Devs will never come up with a rule like this simply because if they wanted something like that they would initiate a flag pvp system.Also if tp foe was never to be used then it would be locked out of pvp together with hurricane,telekinesis and assasin strike.
Do you really believe the devs could come up with a rule like this and then of course make the arena totally useless? No. Can the players come up with a rule like this cause many consider sportsmanship to engage in 1vs1 and yell "leave me alone" in a large scale conflict battleground? Yes. And i not like what the players might come up with. Sounds harsh although i agree with wingy that there are common grounds we can start but i still dont want that because we already get griefed for trying to keep order by petitioning people that break EULA rules in broadcast etc. Do u realise what will happen if players start to try enforce rules to other players and u tell them that these rules were created by players?Well take a guess. Flamewars and unecessary petition spammage. I want the devs to get their act together and set a bunch of rules and a context that will allow us to operate and have fun and know what is right and what is wrong. If this means leaving tp out of the pvp zones or letting me go in there even with brawl i am prepared to accept it. But having a player tell me i break some rule that he decided or a majority of players decided then that will only make me wanna break the rule again and again to protest against unrecognised authority. Thats the human nature. You cant expect a bunch of 15 year olds that inside the pvp zones are like "loz0r 0wnage zomg [censored] bbq elevety one!!!" to say "yes thank you for informing of the player created rules i shall follow them blindfolded and spread them around".
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Thats definetely a no regarding this. I not want anyone that i personally not recognise as authority over me in game to set me a bunch of rules that i might not agree. It might be the majority in here that fancies 1 on 1 fights thinking pvp zones is some kind of arena or so and they decide to set a rule that 1vs1 fights are allowed. Well i dont want that just like most of serious pvp players out there. If i feel for a 1vs1 i issue a challenge and go to the arena. Just cause people dont know how to use arena it doesnt mean we have to accept rules like this. So i want CoC and RoC for PvP but set from the devs according to the devs expectations for the PvP zones and their recognised authority. Not every forumer or so. Cause the forums are not the whole community u know. Many good people out there that dont use the forums at all. Who are we to tell them that we set a bunch of rules that they have to follow. Thats a no and in fact a big one on this suggestion.