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I posted a build and was hoping for some optinions on it and further advice.
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Which you got from sevral ppl including myself yet your disecting my posts as though its me whose asked for advise - I know and am happy with my build tvm. The very title you gave this thread implied you WANT advise - I think we covered teh 'be more specific' angle already. Its hard to advise when you didnt ask waht you wanted and when people answer with advise isnt it worh taking in - old hands know their swords and all that.
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By posting my own opinios I expect people with more expirience to tell me why do they thing those opinios are flawed (or not). I'm not saying "you don't know s**t". My various arguments were supposed (or rather: I was hoping) to make you or someone else give contrary arguments or confirmations, both of which are good.
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Anyway, I'm following the fire/dark build posted in this forum, which skips rez... it's a damage build, not a support one. A dark/dark is much more... supportive, so a rez is OK.
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Erm huh? 
If your building for damage then thats your call but remember corruptors are the healing ones or as close to healers as we've got. Teams will expect you to heal and rez them. There were a spate of 'offenders' claiming they were for damage not healing but thats their point - to heal ad defend. Corruptors only have it as a secondery but its still a supportive pool you've taken. Perhaps cold or another less supportive would have been better than one folks know to be a good healing pool?
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Hmm... in that case, the devs should work on the class descriptions. Corruptors are clearly marked with the "high damage, low HP, ranged" tag. That's what I'd expect from a fire/* build. A dark/dark build, having much weaker spells (in terms of damage), is clearly much more supportive (still... some more info about that in the char building screen would be nice, cos right now it seems full of rubbish).
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Another thing;
Your being overly pedantic (or defensive)without reason, as well its obvious your not going to add debuff to powers that dont take it now isnt it?
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By that logic I should slot a power with anything it can be slotted with. Enhancements are percentage based, thus it's a rather silly idea to try and enhance a "weak" buff/damage/debuff, because you wont gain much. Also, I didn't say I WON'T put the -acc in... I was asking if it's really worth it.
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OK, that sentence made no sense... What the hell did you try to say there?
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Erm firstly drop that attitude its not going to get you any favours round here (some would eat you alive for it)- there is no need to be snide as its obviously about hover?
YOU said 'slotting hover for speed' - I said that I'd heard a regular PvP'er saying he'd done that to his hover but as YOU said your not intending to PvP then its not really much use or that important to your build. All of which seemed obvious in what i'd written in the first place. Jeez....
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With all respect, that sentence really made no sense to me, and I believe if I'd write something like that and showed it to my English teacher, she'd be terrified. 
Your clarification is much better.
The whole thing about PvP is that I don't want to take part until our (that is, villains) lvl cap is raised. At that point, we'll get more skills, and more enhancement slots, so it should be possible to slot things such as hover. And THEN, it'd be nice.
EDIT: I believe I also missed and didn't read one of your posts... 
Curse you for double posting! 
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ah Fuzzi - my love *sobs*. VERY good pets slotted right they are a law unto themselves and unlike other pets are walk-through so dont clog up doors.
They can take hold, immob, heal, taunt (according to planner =/) and to hit debuff.
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You mean they're (or rather "he's")... "transparent"?
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Hover adds defence so it doesnt need a flightspeed with one slot, it easier in mish to take it on and off to move.
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I must be missing manual skills, cos switching hover on and off (tried it once) was a real pain. Is the defense really worth enhancing? It seems really small.
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Shadow fall too is for defence - end ok but additional defence is needed too.
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I have little expirience with SF. As far as I've read on the forums, it's better to slot it with resists, and use it against specific attacks, rather than a defense skill. (I'm just repeating what I read now)
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Fearsome stare - pop a fear duration in there and acc. It was nerfed but its still a good power.
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Yup! Mass fear is a really nice thing. I also noted, that it's a good opener! 
Feared enemies don't attack unless they take damage, so you can cast Tar Patch and Darkest Night without worrying.
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Howling twighlight needs more then just recharge, damage, heal, end or slow but more slots anyway.
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All of those? And it doesn't take +heal. I guess +disorient and +slow could be best, as that would allow you to escape behind a corner or something, or give enough time to your allies to get the aggro back.
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Nightfall - conerange and damage would be handy there.
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Range? Oh! Right. How bout a range in Tentacles too?
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TBPH @ 32 take your Nova darkstar - 1 acc, 3 damage (though you cant 6 slot anymore Boooo), 2 debuff - when you can slot it. It will be a good nova combined with your other powers, darkest night in particular as there wont be many left able to squish you lol.
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Hmm... I might try that. I still feel shivers run down my spine when I think about using a massive AoE damage spell that leaves me disoriented. Seems like a death wish.
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For teh most part your slotting looked ok altough you seem to have slotted loads on the first few which could have waited so the slots could go on other powers which lack them. Theres no rush for a lot of powers to be 6 slotted - spread them out a lil more as there are other powers there who'd benefit from slots.
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Well, that's cos I'm not playing from the start, but respeccing. Also, one get's much more enhancement slots post 30, so I'd catch up quick I believe.
This thread is getting rather silly now. If you want help ask for it clearly not ask for help then when suggestions are given say things like ah but i'm not talking about X build anymore i'm talking about Y build now. People aren't mind readers.
I doubt the devs should work on the descriptions of corrupters. Your original post was for a dark/dark buils which is a 'support' build, no manner of tweaking will make it more than that in comparism to other sets.
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By that logic I should slot a power with anything it can be slotted with. Enhancements are percentage based, thus it's a rather silly idea to try and enhance a "weak" buff/damage/debuff, because you wont gain much.
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Perhaps you wont gain much, but you will gain. Dark sets are all about debuff, that is where they shine. That 5% unenhanced or 8% enhanced may not sound like a lot but when stacked with your other debuffs it certainly has great effect. But slotting of debuffs on a lot of powers you wouldnt normal do so on would depend on whether you are/were building this toon for teaming or solo.
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You mean they're (or rather "he's")... "transparent"?
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As she said... they are "walk through" not just see through. Most pets get in the way, block doors etc, she was pointing out that 'Fuzzis" dont as you can pass through them.
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I must be missing manual skills, cos switching hover on and off (tried it once) was a real pain. Is the defense really worth enhancing? It seems really small.
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Do you really find it so difficult to click hover on and off? Or are you avin' a laugh? What other Defense do you have that you dont need to bother with the insignificant defense a power you plan to pick would give you? I always slot 1 Defense enh in hover on my blasters as they have no other defense, i'd imagine i'd apply the same principle to Corrupters. But everyone does it differently, some slot for speed, i leave it at the one slot with defense in.
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I have little expirience with SF. As far as I've read on the forums, it's better to slot it with resists, and use it against specific attacks, rather than a defense skill. (I'm just repeating what I read now)
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Yes it is better to slot it with resists, but the attacks it protects against are very frequent in the game... Energy/negative Energy/Psionics. Psionics doesnt appear that often in the game but the other 2 do.
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Range? Oh! Right. How bout a range in Tentacles too?
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Putting a cone range in Night fall seems pretty sensible to me as it doesnt really have that wide a target area to begin with. And yes I'd put a cone range in TT.
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Well, that's cos I'm not playing from the start, but respeccing. Also, one get's much more enhancement slots post 30, so I'd catch up quick I believe.
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Yes you get 3 slots each time 2 out of every three levels. although i agree that you have ignored slotting some of ur later powers at your own expense.
Tbh i dont really know why i posted this other than i think u are a bit out of order for someone seeking advice. Tone it down a bit and either agree or disagree with the advice given as you see fit without being condascending. It doesn't help.
Oh for crying out loud, are you trying to be so pedantic and irritating or is it inherant for you?
Fuzzi IS walk though as anyone who has them, seeing how you dont have I'd take someone who has's advise on the matter.
You can walk through them as they are a cloud of dark miasma its simple concept so why are you trying to pick fault with it?
If your trying to be snide for snides sake you have chosen the wrong person - smarter people than you have tried and failed. You asked for advise and you have got it - I dont see why your behaving like you are. I have played DM since March of this year - I dont think I'm the best at it (Yo Momma or Moon have the crown) but as I built with their advise I thought i'd pass it on as I have done to several others - you ASKED remember.
You wer given build advise not just by me - you wanted advise from more experianced players and yet when given it you react like a spoilt child.
Sod handing anything into your english teacher - dont ever pick on spelling or english on these boards - considering you dont know me how can you know whether english is my first language and considering these are game boards why does it matter?
Conerange is NOT the same are range - have you just arrived here or do you have the lvl 30 you claim to?(j/k) I'd have thought someone of that level would know the difference between enhancements by now but it appears you either dont know as much as you'd like to think or are just overly pedantic about trivial matters which is why you are trying to start on me.
Spreading slots out till you ahve them to spare is not such a silly idea as it will help ALL your powers to work better not just some.
Nova's are what made blasters and later defenders fun - you wanna play for damage yet you shiver at the thought of a nova! Erm the highest damage power you get and your chicken of it?
You have done little more that show inexperiance and bad manners. Its a simple equation you asked for advise on builds and you got it, the attitude and rudeness are not required. It makes me wonder why you bothered to ask for advise in the first place.
If this sounds sarcastic I'm sorry but it is for once meant to - I gave advise several times as thats what you asked for only to read the mince your now typing, having played this game for so long you learn a lot about people and obviuosly the game itself - we never had the benifit of lvl 50's or 40's advise we had to DIY it thats why we all try to help where we can....
I tried to help you like you asked for so why the rude attitude? If you try to start fights then thread tend to disapear and the advise and help with them. Bit daft if you wanted helped out....
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I must be a real villain in my heart. I make people hate me without trying. Must be a talent.
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You can walk through them as they are a cloud of dark miasma its simple concept so why are you trying to pick fault with it?
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I never saw one. So I wanted to make sure, as most pets get in the way. I was not trying to pick a fault.
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You wer given build advise not just by me - you wanted advise from more experianced players and yet when given it you react like a spoilt child.
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EHM... Questioning people is acting like a spoiled child? OK... guess I shouldn't question that.
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Sod handing anything into your english teacher - dont ever pick on spelling or english on these boards - considering you dont know me how can you know whether english is my first language and considering these are game boards why does it matter?
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Simply your sentence wasn't really correctly written, regardless of what your first language is. THAT'S why I didn't get it. And I wasn't trying to insult you. If I did, I'm sorry.
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Conerange is NOT the same are range - have you just arrived here or do you have the lvl 30 you claim to?(j/k) I'd have thought someone of that level would know the difference between enhancements by now but it appears you either dont know as much as you'd like to think or are just overly pedantic about trivial matters which is why you are trying to start on me.
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Let's just say I never put +range into anything so far, shall we?
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Nova's are what made blasters and later defenders fun - you wanna play for damage yet you shiver at the thought of a nova! Erm the highest damage power you get and your chicken of it?
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Yup! Obviously. In other games drawing aggro as a char with little HP and then getting something to prevent you from taking any further action isn't the best idea.
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You have done little more that show inexperiance and bad manners. (...)
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Again, seems like I'm a true villain. I never ment to insult anyone. All I did, was question opinions. All your answers (besides the comments about spoiled a spoiled child or the like... I hope that's just a misunderstanding; if not, you're just flaming) I've taken seriously and really though about them.
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OK, let's finish it here. Now, I'll try to be as pedantic as I can:
"You're replies have been noted and will be taken into consideration".
There, was that pedantic enough? This time I was doing my best! 
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Conerange is NOT the same are range - have you just arrived here or do you have the lvl 30 you claim to?(j/k) I'd have thought someone of that level would know the difference between enhancements by now but it appears you either dont know as much as you'd like to think or are just overly pedantic about trivial matters which is why you are trying to start on me.
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Cone range was removed some time ago - I think it was I5 and all powers which used it were changed to using range enhancements.
But to get back on topic
personally I find shadowfall to be something of an end hog for a toggle so slotting it with end red is recommended if you are planning to run other toggles at the same time.
Still remember the first shot I took with petrifying gaze on Infernal and seeing him held - could never manage that with my mind controller but then again in CoH he's an AV but only a hero in CoV - still felt good though,
I'm tending to go with a minimum of 2 accs on anything that can take it - at the expense of damage if necessary - its better to hit and do something than to keep missing. This is particularly important in PvP where you can expect to see purples being used but also applies in PvE against higher level foes.
This is also where drain life can be useful - if you miss with TG you still have a second chance with a heal - saved me more than once although I tend to use it more as an extra attack than for its heal usually.
Love the debuffs though - it great stacking them on a scrapper and watching them trying to hit you whilst you take your time and snipe them from melee range - Flurry of Blows - you mean flurry of misses 
or as I did in the last fight with one - chuck a snowball at her.
That lasted about 15 minutes before she swallowed about 5 pressies to get enough acc to drop my debuffs.
Mind of Gaia lvl 50 Defiant's first Mind/Storm 'troller.
Deadly Doc 50 Dark/Dark Corr
and lots more on Pinnacle,Union and Defiant
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Still remember the first shot I took with petrifying gaze on Infernal and seeing him held - could never manage that with my mind controller but then again in CoH he's an AV but only a hero in CoV - still felt good though,
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Cone range was removed some time ago - I think it was I5 and all powers which used it were changed to using range enhancements.
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Ha! I knew I wasn't as noobish as that!
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I'm tending to go with a minimum of 2 accs on anything that can take it - at the expense of damage if necessary - its better to hit and do something than to keep missing. This is particularly important in PvP where you can expect to see purples being used but also applies in PvE against higher level foes.
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Hmm... I've been employing this method before the respec. Naturally, I didn't realize the sets I picked weren't really designed for damage, but for support, so I was pained to see the small damage output, even though I was hitting the enemies more often (still, even on white mobs I had the ocasional miss here and there). In PvP however, I still missed a LOT. :/
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Love the debuffs though - it great stacking them on a scrapper and watching them trying to hit you whilst you take your time and snipe them from melee range - Flurry of Blows - you mean flurry of misses or as I did in the last fight with one - chuck a snowball at her.
That lasted about 15 minutes before she swallowed about 5 pressies to get enough acc to drop my debuffs.
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Hahahahaha!
I had some situations like that back in Sirenes (besides the snow balls... DAMN, I still can't find em!). The only downside was that, while they couldn't hit me, I couldn't do enough damage to kill 'em. :/
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I can assure you they're not - I can solo heroes in PvE at my level, maybe +1 given room to move and some luck but AVs need to be about -3 lvls. Hero is slightly higher than an elite boss but an AV is much higher.
Mind of Gaia lvl 50 Defiant's first Mind/Storm 'troller.
Deadly Doc 50 Dark/Dark Corr
and lots more on Pinnacle,Union and Defiant
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Hmm... I've been employing this method before the respec. Naturally, I didn't realize the sets I picked weren't really designed for damage, but for support, so I was pained to see the small damage output, even though I was hitting the enemies more often (still, even on white mobs I had the ocasional miss here and there). In PvP however, I still missed a LOT. :/
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I had some situations like that back in Sirenes (besides the snow balls... DAMN, I still can't find em!). The only downside was that, while they couldn't hit me, I couldn't do enough damage to kill 'em. :/
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yep was only barely beating her regen - if my toggles hadn't dropped it would probably have taken about 2 hours to drop her. Tanks otoh you only need to get past their DR which is possible with snipe mind you I've not met all that many who have been willing to stick around long enough so that will probably be different for different power sets on them than those I have managed to fight. ( My villains are on Pinnacle where the heroes don't seem to want to leave their base and villains tend to rule the PVP zones - does this sound familar in reverse to a lot of comments here)
Mind of Gaia lvl 50 Defiant's first Mind/Storm 'troller.
Deadly Doc 50 Dark/Dark Corr
and lots more on Pinnacle,Union and Defiant
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I can assure you they're not - I can solo heroes in PvE at my level, maybe +1 given room to move and some luck but AVs need to be about -3 lvls. Hero is slightly higher than an elite boss but an AV is much higher.
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They just needed to make different named equivalent for AV as calling signature heroes archvillains would have been damn odd.
Don't take Dark Pit. It's totally the most useless power i've had during my 5 months i've been playing.
(and something off topic, does anyone know how long the disorient duration is for white enemies with the Assault Blaster's Beanbag power? It says a good while in the info but i don't trust such power infos anymore )
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Don't take Dark Pit. It's totally the most useless power i've had during my 5 months i've been playing.
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Tell me about it...
I HAD it before the respec. Oh God... The idea isn't bad. I mean, a mass stun spell is nice. But not with such stats. Poor accuracy and even poorer duration make this spell useless.
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well...
You do realise for all they may have changed it from cone range to range that for powers that fire in a cone the range enhancement will still enhance the cone range? Same as the change to endurance modification enhancements....
Because they change the name of an enhancement doesnt make it any less useful.
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Hmm jury?????
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Hmm... I've been employing this method before the respec. Naturally, I didn't realize the sets I picked weren't really designed for damage, but for support, so I was pained to see the small damage output, even though I was hitting the enemies more often (still, even on white mobs I had the ocasional miss here and there). In PvP however, I still missed a LOT. :/
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*cough**cough* PvP? so you DO PvP? YOU said you didnt and had no intention of PvPing =/
If you actually study the defender AND corruptor AT's you'll see and amazing simalirity - however Co's do have more damage but not as much as blaster summmit we reg's have moaned about for ages but not to worry eh? =)
WE did recommend 2 ac for PvP as a rule as most ATs are going for that for PVP. Dark ad dark miasma are fabulpus sets IF you know how to play them.......
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*cough**cough* PvP? so you DO PvP? YOU said you didnt and had no intention of PvPing =/
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Well, I DID (not DO) PvP. ONCE! Ok, so perhaps twice. I tried it with that corruptor of mine before, and I wasn't one bit happy with PvP. So I decided to put it off, and from that moment on I only entered PvP zones to do some missions, nothing else. As I said, I might get back once the lvl cap is raised.
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Tell me about it...
I HAD it before the respec. Oh God... The idea isn't bad. I mean, a mass stun spell is nice. But not with such stats. Poor accuracy and even poorer duration make this spell useless.
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Ok I'll admit to not haveing a dark/ corruptor but I do have a emp/dark defender.
Yes dark pit is not too good stright out of the box and does need slotting however it can be very good if used in combination with other powers.
For my defender I run:
dark pit 2-acc 3-stun 1-recharge
tenticals 1-acc 2-immoblise 2-def debuff
Night fall 1-acc 3-damage 1-def debuff 1-recharge
Hasten 3-recharge
Tactics 2-acc buff 2-end reducers
the simple tactic is to chain these 3 powers together.
Dark pit, stuns up to +2 with ease
tenticals, stops them wandering off
night fall, damages the group
Rince and repeat
The 2 sets of debuff help against any mob's missed but the pit untill it's recharged.
While tenticals is great for pinning down mobs othing argo's them quite like an immoblise, hench the stun, they cannot attack they cannot move they just stand there and get pounded.
Belive me this tactic work very well, you can keep quite large groups under a perminate stun & immoblise, the only real problem is bosses who are very hard to stun with pit, you will need 3 in quick sucession (ie no misses and while hasten is running)
If it was not for dark pit then my emp/dark would be near enough unsoloable.
Side note, slotting
I'd say your best bet is to start with 2acc in each attack (1 if you have tactics) then 3 damage. Only once you have the acc and damage in should you consider the debuff or end reducers. (if you are having problems with end, then don't bother to put recharges in blasts that recharge fairly quickly anyway, all you will do is eat end faster)
Moonbeam is great in solo, but less use for teams. The interrupt time means by the time it's just about to go off someone else has already killed the target 
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WHat?? why do people keep saying this??
Ok I'll admit to not haveing a dark/ corruptor but I do have a emp/dark defender.
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In your situation and as you described how you use dark pit it would be very useful to have because you have no other form of "lock down" power in your primary. From the point of view of a dark/dark, I've always found the combination of fearsome stare and petrifying gaze better, afterall things don't need to be feared and stunned so you don't need both. If I decided not to take FS then yes I'd probably get DP and invest some slots into it.
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WHat?? why do people keep saying this??
Ok I'll admit to not haveing a dark/ corruptor but I do have a emp/dark defender.
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In your situation and as you described how you use dark pit it would be very useful to have because you have no other form of "lock down" power in your primary. From the point of view of a dark/dark, I've always found the combination of fearsome stare and petrifying gaze better, afterall things don't need to be feared and stunned so you don't need both. If I decided not to take FS then yes I'd probably get DP and invest some slots into it.
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I'd agree here. With Dark Miasma you've probably got enough control already with Fearsome Stare and the Hold. But DP isn't as bad as people make out, although it does need slotting. It's pretty useful on my Dark Kinetics corrupter.
Is the Corrupter version more powerful than the Defenders I wonder? It *should* be given the percent differences of Corrupter primary & defender secondary.
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Ok I'll admit to not haveing a dark/ corruptor but I do have a emp/dark defender.
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In your situation and as you described how you use dark pit it would be very useful to have because you have no other form of "lock down" power in your primary. From the point of view of a dark/dark, I've always found the combination of fearsome stare and petrifying gaze better, afterall things don't need to be feared and stunned so you don't need both. If I decided not to take FS then yes I'd probably get DP and invest some slots into it.
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As someone with a Dark/Dark Defender and Corruptor I'd agree with Tufty.
My Defender took Dark Pit initially, then I respecced it out first chance I got; it's been avoided like the plague for both toons ever since.
Post-ED a lot of ATs (in my experience) can find themselves with more slots than they know what to do with, but a Dark/Dark (in either order) has so many good powers, most of which benefit from diverse slotting, that just isn't the case for them.
I'd rather use slots (and the power pick itself) turning a good power into a great one than a poor power into a passable one. Sadly Dark Pit's presented itself as the latter to me (and I did go as far as trying it 4-slotted with SOs).
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I posted a build and was hoping for some optinions on it and further advice.
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Which you got from sevral ppl including myself yet your disecting my posts as though its me whose asked for advise - I know and am happy with my build tvm. The very title you gave this thread implied you WANT advise - I think we covered teh 'be more specific' angle already. Its hard to advise when you didnt ask waht you wanted and when people answer with advise isnt it worh taking in - old hands know their swords and all that.
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Anyway, I'm following the fire/dark build posted in this forum, which skips rez... it's a damage build, not a support one. A dark/dark is much more... supportive, so a rez is OK.
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Erm huh?
If your building for damage then thats your call but remember corruptors are the healing ones or as close to healers as we've got. Teams will expect you to heal and rez them. There were a spate of 'offenders' claiming they were for damage not healing but thats their point - to heal ad defend. Corruptors only have it as a secondery but its still a supportive pool you've taken. Perhaps cold or another less supportive would have been better than one folks know to be a good healing pool?
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Your being overly pedantic (or defensive)without reason, as well its obvious your not going to add debuff to powers that dont take it now isnt it?
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Erm firstly drop that attitude its not going to get you any favours round here (some would eat you alive for it)- there is no need to be snide as its obviously about hover?
YOU said 'slotting hover for speed' - I said that I'd heard a regular PvP'er saying he'd done that to his hover but as YOU said your not intending to PvP then its not really much use or that important to your build. All of which seemed obvious in what i'd written in the first place. Jeez....