There are pure typed attacks, there pure position?
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Blackavaar,
Posted on: 2009-07-24 16:37 in Player Questions
Which Mind Control attacks are you referring to specifically that have no positiona defense? I'm looking at the set here and all of them appear to be ranged or AoE.
Actually just about all them are:
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Edit: Just like Blind from Illusion is only Psionic but Spectral Wounds is Psionic/Range.
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Which Mind Control attacks are you referring to specifically that have no positiona defense? I'm looking at the set here and all of them appear to be ranged or AoE.
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Just because they are ranged or AoE does not mean they can be defended against by range or AoE defense. Only Psionic attacks are like this. Because they attack the mind abstractly not directly, the position of the character who they're attacking does not matter.
Actually if they went by comic book definitions most mental attacks wouldn't even require line of sight.
There is no attack that goes only against positional defenses. They all have a damage type.
Web grenades?
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Bane's Poisonous Ray is only ranged with no delivery tag
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Web grenades?
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Touche.
But then those don't do damage, do they?
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Bane's Poisonous Ray is only ranged with no delivery tag
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Poisonous Ray does Toxic damage. It's clearly indicated in the power description. See here also.
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Bane's Poisonous Ray is only ranged with no delivery tag
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Poisonous Ray does Toxic damage. It's clearly indicated in the power description. See here also.
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But that doesn't mean it's typed as toxic.
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Bane's Poisonous Ray is only ranged with no delivery tag
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Poisonous Ray does Toxic damage. It's clearly indicated in the power description. See here also.
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But that doesn't mean it's typed as toxic.
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The fact that toxic damage was added after launch and thus after the defense types were implemented has something to do with that. Adding additional defense types was not possible (or at least not worth the time required to rework the defense system) at the time toxic damage was added.
Before toxic damage was added Vahzilok puke damage was untyped, which meant nothing could resist it. The Devs at the time added in toxic damage so that it could be resisted. That's why typed defense based sets usually have toxic resistance in one of the powers even if everything else is defense.
Currently the game system only supports adding new types of damage for purposes of resisting the damage, not for defense. An oversight in the original design that has existed to this day.
Maybe Going Rogue will finally add the ability to add more defense types. That would be pretty cool.
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Web grenades?
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Touche.
But then those don't do damage, do they?
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But, they are ranged.
But if non-damaging ranged "attacks" such as Web Nades are positional and not typed, what about Poison Trap(?) and Smoke Grenade?
And what type of Defense do Kinetics powers in general fall under? Ranged as well?
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Since there is no such thing as Toxic Defense, then any Toxic attack would be Defended against solely by positional defense.
Zombie Vomit is AoE Defense only.
If it does get past AoE defense, then Toxic Reistance, if any, would kick in to mitigate the damage.
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There are attacks in the game that have no positional defense. An example is some of the Mind Control power which are marked as only Psionic. Range/Aoe/Melee defense will not stop these attacks. I have been searching to no avail but does the opposite exist?
Are there attacks that exist that have no typed? (NOTE: Not Autohit) Basically an attack that is marked Range/AOE/Melee (1 or all of the 3) but has no Energy/Neg/Fire/Cold/Smash/Lethal?
The only thing I can think of is a pure toxic attack but I do not think any powersets actually get anything like that.