Regarding Bumping, in HERE only...
By
Eislor,
Posted on: 2009-07-23 07:20 in ALL ACCESS Gameplay Technical Issues Bugs
The only thing I can think of to add to this would be, if you've been asked for certain information (just as an example, CoH Helper logs or HijackThis logs) and you haven't provided them, don't bump if you've gotten no other response.
Otherwise, looks good to me.
If the game spit out 20 dollar bills people would complain that they weren't sequentially numbered. If they were sequentially numbered people would complain that they weren't random enough.
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I see this problem on other tech forums also, I think the 3 days wait is more than reasonable. Unless someone can present a legitimate reason for not going with a
"3 days of no response after supplying any asked for information ==> OK to bump"
policy, I'd say lets sticky this.
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I agree with the both of you. I'll edit the above to add that.
*edits post*
Here's the change notes:
Ok, the notes are I completely rewrote it, so you'll just have to reread it with that request added and the formatting changed to reflect that particular need. I think it's more better now. And I can add points easier too, so there's that. Yay.
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If the game spit out 20 dollar bills people would complain that they weren't sequentially numbered. If they were sequentially numbered people would complain that they weren't random enough.
Black Pebble is my new hero.
3 days is a long time to wait when you are unable to play the game, or have serious issues. If it was me, I would not wait 3 days, I might wait 24 hours tops.
Problem is, if it's not on the front page, chances drop drastically that anyone will even look at it.
There is a rule against bumping, it's well known and easily followed/enforced. Adding new rules to the mix would be silly and only serve to complicate things.
If someone's post is not getting a response, they need to search the forums and see if anyone is having simular issues and then post in that thread, or read and see if their problem may have a solution in that thread. The problem is most people are too lazy to even do a simple search, let alone actually look through specific threads.
This attempted new rule will solve nothing and only serve to push threads down into oblivion even faster.
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Problem is, if it's not on the front page, chances drop drastically that anyone will even look at it.
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Are you sure? I know when I run through this forum, I normally run all the way through all the new topics. I pay particular attention to threads that have no response, too, and threads that have clear titles.
That doesn't mean I respond, of course. If your thread gets a dozen reads and no response, that can be interpreted as "Dunno - go ask official support."
I'm thinking we should wait for the new forums to pop up before going and making new rules. We could have new tools there, if we're lucky. (Like maybe a "my question was answered" flag? :drool
P.S. Speaking of official support - wouldn't support have the issue well in hand after three days most of the time?
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Problem is, if it's not on the front page, chances drop drastically that anyone will even look at it.
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Are you sure? I know when I run through this forum, I normally run all the way through all the new topics. I pay particular attention to threads that have no response, too, and threads that have clear titles.
That doesn't mean I respond, of course. If your thread gets a dozen reads and no response, that can be interpreted as "Dunno - go ask official support."
I'm thinking we should wait for the new forums to pop up before going and making new rules. We could have new tools there, if we're lucky. (Like maybe a "my question was answered" flag? :drool
P.S. Speaking of official support - wouldn't support have the issue well in hand after three days most of the time?
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I too read through all of the new posts. Of course, I have my preferences set to show 50 posts per page and 50 threads per page. So I seldom have to go to page 2 unless I'm on a computer where I'm not logged into the boards.
As for the P.S. question, support would only have the problem well in hand after 3 days if people actually, ya know, filed support tickets. And provided the information that was requested in response to the post was given.
If the game spit out 20 dollar bills people would complain that they weren't sequentially numbered. If they were sequentially numbered people would complain that they weren't random enough.
Black Pebble is my new hero.
Ditto the new posts thing.
re: not making new rules...
If it weren't for recent events, I'd agree, the rules are the rules. But there's been a few like this where the ever so patient (and probably distracted by real life... damn them...) potential Co* victi...er, gamer did wait 3, 4, 5 days, and then did the bump.
I even grok the 24 hours thing. Kinda like checking back to see if they were "just gonna call you" about whatever it was.
So I dunno what the real deal should be. Just hate to see a person 'suffering' (as it is a game, but there's mental issues sometimes with not being able to do something) to be slapped down because they had the gall to say 'anyone?'
Well. There ya go. I leave it up to others I suppose. I won't be enforcing the bump, I'll just do what I can to help and go on with things.
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Well... perhaps I was premature about that whole 'signing off' thing... - 11-9-2012
Same here on scanning all threads with new posts.
As for the 'new rule', it sounds very reasonable but, quite frankly, I've ignored the no bumping rule when I really needed to (once ever). As I recall, I didn't have a response in almost 2 days so I bumped it. Someone posted 'no bumping'. I replied to that post re-explaining my problem so I effective got 3 bumps there. 
My personal impression is that any minor rules (like no bumping) can safely be ignored as long as you don't make a habit of it (like I said, I've broken that rule once ever). Worst case scenario - some forum cop calls you on it and you disregard them.
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*bump* its dropped off the front page. anyway, yeah I think that somethin like this needs to be implemented in some form
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*bump* its dropped off the front page. anyway, yeah I think that somethin like this needs to be implemented in some form
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Congrats on being the first person to break the *proposed* limited bumping rule. 
Which really wasn't needed as it hadn't bumped off the front page.
Unless you are still on the LOLdefaultLOL settings.
If the game spit out 20 dollar bills people would complain that they weren't sequentially numbered. If they were sequentially numbered people would complain that they weren't random enough.
Black Pebble is my new hero.
Hey, if it's good enough for Dr. Default, it's good enough for me!
If you are having an awful time getting the game to run at all, banning is hardly a credible threat. If they ban you for bumping, you won't be able to get on the boards for awhile. If you can't get the game running, you won't have any reason to come to the boards ever again.
Proposal for circumstantial bumping rules (to be hopefully approved by guys/gals/moderators):
While bumping of topics is *generally* not allowed, in certain circumstances, it may be the only way to resolve a question which has gotten pushed down the list of topics. If you are a poster who's needs were not yet addressed, in that case only, please wait *3 days or more* before bumping a topic, but ONLY if you're not getting any help.
The rules for this circumstance will be as follows:
1) Bumping isn't allowed if the topic has been resolved.
2) DO NOT post another topic on your same situation, i.e. start another thread that is really a continuation of the old one, USE THE OLD ONE. It's so we don't get lost regarding what's happened in your situation and can continue on the 'right path' to getting you fixed up.
3) DO NOT bump without first posting any information requested by the other forum members, such as the logs from CoHHelper, HiJackThis (information about which can be found in the 'Read This' link below), computer information, or other needed info, *no matter* how irritating it may personally be to you. We are not mind readers. Thank you for understanding.
4) Bump ONLY if you have posted the information, THEN 3 days or more have passed. We're working on it... probably.
We thank you for your attention in this matter, and look forward to serving you!
Thank you,
The Management*
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There. Now, on to the full version and explanation.
Recently couple of threads were bumped by the original posters due to total lack of responses. This was after several days they'd waited, and their threads were pushed down the stack.
Of course, the immediate response wasn't "Oh, well, here, this is what you do, here's the fix for that, etc.", no sir/madam, it was "No Bumping."
Really, y'all? That's all we're gonna do when this comes up? Consider the following:
1) Person is looking for help.
2) Person's thread is legitimate, but for some reason, nobody posts anything to help at all. The why of that is unknown. Perhaps we're lazy or something, or missed it somehow. In any case...
3) ...this status remains for 3 days or more...
4) ... and person still needs help... so they bump.
And is met by "No Bumping." Nice. Not that I'm attacking anyone, I was guilty of it myself recently, although I put that at the end of my "well you can try this" post after the bump... and was told by the OP "So what was I supposed to do since I also can't start a new thread on the same thing?"
Great question! What *does* the person do? The original post is still valid, the person needs help... and short of someone coming in and saying "Guess we don't know, look elsewhere, sorry, good luck!" that thread gets pushed down the stack and disappears. Way to go helpful forumites.
But the person still needs help on the original problem. There are TWO forum rules that are a problem in this case:
1) No bumping... this we know, obviously.
2) No new posts when you have an old one on the same subject. This gets cited less as the bumping is what usually happens.
After considering these cases in recent times, I am now fine with a *legitimate* bump if a *sufficient* amount of time has passed. Say, oh, 3 days or more? Because woe be the person who decided to post a new topic, and some forum rules enforcer came in and stomped that person for that... that's never a good idea, for a lot of good reasons, mainly for continuity of the topic.
So... what say you guys/gals/moderators? Kosher or totally off base? I await your discussion. Thank you for your consideration about this unique situation.
/* - "The Management" implies, as of this writing, nobody here, it's not approved yet.
August 31, 2012. A Day that will Live in Infamy. Or Information. Possibly Influence. Well, Inf, anyway. Thank you, Paragon Studios, for what you did, and the enjoyment and camaraderie you brought.
This is houtex, aka Mike, signing off the forums. G'night all. - 10/26/2012
Well... perhaps I was premature about that whole 'signing off' thing... - 11-9-2012