MA killed the game... COH revolves around AP
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Adult_Swim,
Posted on: 2009-07-14 12:14 in Mission Architect
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I not sure which is more pathetic. The 20+ OPs like this every week, or the group of folks that feel the need to respond to everyone of them.
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Well, it could be so I can farm the forum.
It could also be that I don't think apathy is the best solution to the issue of threads showing up.
There are many options:
1) Ignore the threads and develop ulcers from the stress.
2) Post disdain toward the thought of AE
3) Inform the OP that this horse ran in the kentucky derby, broke a leg, got put down, resurrected by necromancy to race again only to break another leg, this time to be burned by flamethrowers by the righteous cause of Mopers Against Mission Architect (MAMA), again brought to life by selling it's soul to the devil, absolved by holy water, nuked to oblivion, only to reform from the ashes as the Thrice Necromantic Horse of the Forumpocalypse to avenge all the unfortunate victims of itself. Yeah.
4) The developers choose to rename Mission Architect into an unpronounceable, unabbreviateable, word similar to Donaudampfschiffahrtsgesellschaftskapitän, which works wonders as it is even in a different language.
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This is an experience I've been having lately.....
I have a dark defender at level 50 that I enjoy playing on occasion. I also enjoy building up my SG base. A couple items I want for the base require the SG healing badge (5,000,000 points of damage). I've logged on the last several days with the intention of finally getting that badge. Since our SG was just almost 99% complete, I figured a couple sessions with a high level team should easily let me hit 100%. I wasn't up for doing a task force and just wanted to get into a basic arc or radio mission team.
Over the last three days, I've moved the counter from almost 99% to 99.5%. Yes, I found some teams, but it was not easy. I'd be in PI and get tells saying "Want to help us fight an AV?" I'd say "sure!", accept the invitation, and see that everyone's in AP. AE missions don't contribute to non AE badges, so I'd tell them that, wish them luck, and quit.
Yes, I could form my own team. Yes, I could get on a task force. The environment within the game has changed pretty drastically though as before, I wouldn't have to manage a team or join a task force, I'd almost always be able to join an existing team. But they are more scarce now. If that's the direction the game is heading, then I'll easily accept that. But there's also nothing wrong with being honest and admitting that it's not an environment I like as much.
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Honestly its better to run the team yourself or play with trusted friends anyhow, imo. Games more fun when you arent putting your debt in the hands of total strangers
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"Fun" is different for everyone. One of the things I like about MMOs is that you meet new people. It's boring if you only play with the same people all the time. Besides, my real-life friends don't play CoH, and debt isn't a concern to me. I rather enjoy PUGs because you never know what to expect. Even when you have a couple people playing badly, I look at the bright side and consider it a challenge to try to compensate for them. Being on an optimized team with the same people can feel like a rut because not much changes. And if you always blaze through missions with little risk of danger, it gets bland pretty quickly.
As for running my own groups.... I do that on occasion. But I'll honestly dislike it if I have to do it all the time. There are many times I'm burned out from work and tired, and want someone else to lead.
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Well, thats your definition of fun, then. My own definition finds that I have an active SG I'm part of, and the game is NEVER boring for me running with the people I consider my online friends.
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I should have been more clear. I do enjoy playing with friends or online friends. In the last MMO I played, a few other players and I ran our guild and did all kinds of things together. It was VERY fun. I never made online friends with this one though. There seems to be a high turnover in our supergroup, and I haven't established relationships like I did in the last game. I never minded it though because I would team and meet new people, which I enjoyed doing. What I meant by playing with the same people gets boring was that when I would do that, we would be very efficient after some time. That game was all PvP, and the PvP was very advanced. Since it was against other players, it was rarely boring. Running these types of PvE missions can get predictable though, and teaming with new people I meet gives it a change of pace. I really don't mind losing, so when I find myself on a sucky team and having a team wipe, I usually chuckle at it because it's refreshingly humbling. It gets interesting because then I have to think "what can I do to make this better?" I switch around tactics, take control sometimes, and just generally have fun with it because it's different.
I didn't mean to put down teaming with friends, I had meant to extol some of the virtues of meeting new people through PUGs.
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I personally would have to agree that MA has practically killed this game for me and my rl friend that I team with often. We were on Justice for a long, long time but it died out so we moved to Freedom and I feel like MA has taken over. No matter what server you go to, "farm farm farm" is all you see. You try to build a regular team and it's next to impossible because 1. There is usually not enough ppl looking for regular team or 2. The people you DO find, don't know half a thing about the game because they're new and spent most of their time being pl'd in AP. I'm sick of always being forced to resort back to ae just to find a damn team! 
This is ridiculous and is driving the people who do care for the regular content to quit because of the boring, drab farming! MA wouldn't be so bad if the auto sk was at least taken out of it, but clearly that's not going to happen so pretty soon, along with a long list of even more people, we will all be quitting to move on to something else.
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This is ridiculous and is driving the people who do care for the regular content to quit because of the boring, drab farming!
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i lovee people like you that come and say everyone is leaving because it is so hard to find teams. GIVE US PROOF. 100% undeniable proof that people are actually leaving the game because of this and not just because you think so. and just because freedumb is like that does not mean that every other server is. i am on infinity and have no problem getting teams. at all.
as a matter of fact half the people that come to these forums from freedumb also have no problem finding regular teams to do stuff. it takes a little effort put in on your part to do this. you can not just sit there and wait for an invite.
Clearly you're not reading, I've already said I've tried numerous times searching for teams as well AS putting teams together. Get your facts straight, thanks!
I've bounced between four different servers so far and frankly, I'm getting tired of bouncing around. And for your proof that people are quitting, my global list is just about dead now when it used to be full with active members. I don't have time to sit around for hrs searching and trying to build a team with ppl that want nothing but ae. I'm sure it's different for you seeing as you're probably settling for whatever team you can find regardless of what they're doing, bs or not. If that's how you team then you know what, good for you.
let's see, i get teams for tf/sf's, raids, zone PvP, regular missions... should i keep going? try your global chat channels for the server, if you are not on one join one. try coalition and sg/vg chat. it is not hard to find a team doing what you would like to do.
TF/SF's:
Never had a problem getting one. The PROBLEM is I have not been able to complete one at all lately because half of the ppl don't know what they're doing or drop out midway.
PVP: Don't do it.
Regular Missions: It's rare. To be clear, I'm not saying regular teams don't exist AT ALL anymore. I'm saying it's a pain to try finding/building one when farming is so strong.
Everyone thinks as though no one is complaining and the game is still as consistent as before, when it's in fact far from it. Many ppl detest ae just as much as I do but due to the lack in number of regular teams, they end up doing it anyway because guess what, that's all you CAN do unless you get lucky.
Welcome to the boards.
I'd like to offer a little bit of encouragement to you. First of all, I highly recommend you hold out until a few weeks after issue 16 releases. I have a feeling that the trend you are seeing with AE is going to die down a bit as right now those individuals running tricked out builds are often allowing lowbies to team just to get the bigger teams - which is fun for them.
Come issue 16, the new feature allows players to artificially set the team size, which means those lowbies that were getting free rides won't find it as easy.
There are several people that share similar opinions to you. That alone should let you know that there are people that want to play the game.
However, there are people who also disagree with the severity of the situation. Getting teams may not be as easy because there is another option for players to do right now, but there are tools available to help you find teams. Global channels are wonderful, as is being involved in an active SG/VG.
A lot of people are just tired of hearing about the evils of AE.
AE will take some time to die away. I don't believe it will kill the game, and I do see signs that a lot of the farmers are more wary of random lowbies looking for a free ride. Come issue 16, I expect that it will be increasingly difficult for lowbies to join teams of heavily IOd 50's that are farming in AE, simply because they will now have absolutely nothing they can offer the team.
Give it time. If you need to take a break for a while, do it. Things will get better.
If you can't find joy in the game 'cause you spent all your time in the MA I'm sorry to hear it as you've missed most of the fun the game has to offer,....but you did it to yourself.
I agree with you though, MA has hurt rather than helped the game. Also there are so many unplayed AE arcs, some may even be good, but they'll never be played just way to many. AE use should've been earned not just given out freely.
True some people are tired of hearing others express their dislike for AE but it doesn't mean they should be silenced either just for having an opinion. Most posts similar to this topic seem to ignite a battle. After all this time, I've just begun to post and already the feedback received is so negative.
But you do have a point about the new issue's details. I have always had a love for the game because of it's originality regardless of its age and as an off and on player for several years now, it's easy to see how many people have become frustrated with AE. The dev's have made numerous changes since MA's release which at least shows there may be hope in the future, but the process has just been so extremely slow. So I will try to keep the new updates in mind.
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True some people are tired of hearing others express their dislike for AE but it doesn't mean they should be silenced either just for having an opinion. Most posts similar to this topic seem to ignite a battle. After all this time, I've just begun to post and already the feedback received is so negative.
But you do have a point about the new issue's details. I have always had a love for the game because of it's originality regardless of its age and as an off and on player for several years now, it's easy to see how many people have become frustrated with AE. The dev's have made numerous changes since MA's release which at least shows there may be hope in the future, but the process has just been so extremely slow. So I will try to keep the new updates in mind.
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Its easy to see why, yeah. But imio, that why, is because theres a good potion of the fanbase too lazy to socialize and just wanting exp handed to them on a platter. that portion is either in the AE, or on the forums whining about how the AE killed their pugs.
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Clearly you're not reading, I've already said I've tried numerous times searching for teams as well AS putting teams together. Get your facts straight, thanks!
I've bounced between four different servers so far and frankly, I'm getting tired of bouncing around. And for your proof that people are quitting, my global list is just about dead now when it used to be full with active members. I don't have time to sit around for hrs searching and trying to build a team with ppl that want nothing but ae. I'm sure it's different for you seeing as you're probably settling for whatever team you can find regardless of what they're doing, bs or not. If that's how you team then you know what, good for you.
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I can help you out on Freedom. Just sign on and watch the global channel while you check Wentworths or something like that. Someone is always starting a TF up. Or you could start one yourself and advertise there. I think it's RF2009.
Yesterday there was a Mothership raid and a couple TF starting while I was paying attention. I think they were even starting up a Shard TF. Someone was forming a badgehunting team redside also. This was all within a 30 minute window. (I started crafting after that and didn't pay attention) Freedom is great unless you go to Altas Park. (Even AP 2 isn't so bad) This is all a big improvement in my book.
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Clearly you're not reading, I've already said I've tried numerous times searching for teams as well AS putting teams together. Get your facts straight, thanks!
I've bounced between four different servers so far and frankly, I'm getting tired of bouncing around. And for your proof that people are quitting, my global list is just about dead now when it used to be full with active members. I don't have time to sit around for hrs searching and trying to build a team with ppl that want nothing but ae. I'm sure it's different for you seeing as you're probably settling for whatever team you can find regardless of what they're doing, bs or not. If that's how you team then you know what, good for you.
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I can help you out on Freedom. Just sign on and watch the global channel while you check Wentworths or something like that. Someone is always starting a TF up. Or you could start one yourself and advertise there. I think it's RF2009.
Yesterday there was a Mothership raid and a couple TF starting while I was paying attention. I think they were even starting up a Shard TF. Someone was forming a badgehunting team redside also. This was all within a 30 minute window. (I started crafting after that and didn't pay attention) Freedom is great unless you go to Altas Park. (Even AP 2 isn't so bad) This is all a big improvement in my book.
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I agree with JeetKuneDo. except on Liberty. My original globallist has been changed and I have had plenty of friends who quit this game. I don't blame MA for it, I blame the latest and greatest new flavor stealing some otherthing done in the game which wasn't liked Im a 63+ mth vet. Some go some come back, Its the way of MMO's I'm told. Personally I solo and duo, however that is by choice and not design. I mostly play on Liberty and our community has some one doing something generally. Global channel is LBx ask and get an invite.
Oh and avoid atlas 
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It's like a catch-22 for me.
I go to the zones I'm interested in and ask if anyone wants to group I hear crickets.
I attempt to solo the stuff, which isn't enjoyable to me (my own opinion I know others love soloing).
I go to AP, say "lvl X Y LFT" and immediately get an invite and/or whispers.
I recently reached Cimerora and loved the build up of something sinister in the area as I talked to its citizens. Then to be unable to find anyone to do the missions sent me me crawling back to AP. I felt like I didn't have a choice.
Well, the OP does have a valid point. His point was that AP has become the central hub and the other zones have less population now. That is true. I play for at least a little while practically every night. I log onto toons of all level ranges, and lately have been concentrating on one of my 50's. With my 50's, I'll travel through the zones, starting at Peregrine and working down, looking to see if teams are forming. There has been a change in the population in the other zones. There always used to be a couple instances of PI, but now there's just one and it's pretty quiet.
I don't believe though that it has killed the game. It may have killed some people's enjoyment of the game, but the game itself is still going along pretty steadily. Before anyone is too harsh on someone else, you have to remember that people play games for different reasons and with different expectations. When the environment within a game changes noticeably, some people will like it, some people will be ambivalent, and some will dislike it. If you're unfortunately one of the people who dislike it, it's perfectly natural to vent frustration over the fact that something you enjoyed so much has changed and is not as enjoyable anymore.
Arc ID#30821, A Clean Break
The only problem with defeating the Tsoo is that an hour later, you want to defeat them again!
"Life is just better boosted!" -- LadyMage
"I'm a big believer in Personal Force Field on a blaster. ... It's your happy place." -- Fulmens
Trying to find a team on Virtue on my lvl 32 toon right now, its dead everywhere except in AP.
What is the name of the Virtue teaming channel again?
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It's like a catch-22 for me.
I go to the zones I'm interested in and ask if anyone wants to group I hear crickets.
I attempt to solo the stuff, which isn't enjoyable to me (my own opinion I know others love soloing).
I go to AP, say "lvl X Y LFT" and immediately get an invite and/or whispers.
I recently reached Cimerora and loved the build up of something sinister in the area as I talked to its citizens. Then to be unable to find anyone to do the missions sent me me crawling back to AP. I felt like I didn't have a choice.
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Protip: Broadcasting isnt the optimal way to find teammates
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So what is? Broadcasting was the only way I used before the AE and it worked fine ... but only on Freedom and Virtue
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It's like a catch-22 for me.
I go to the zones I'm interested in and ask if anyone wants to group I hear crickets.
I attempt to solo the stuff, which isn't enjoyable to me (my own opinion I know others love soloing).
I go to AP, say "lvl X Y LFT" and immediately get an invite and/or whispers.
I recently reached Cimerora and loved the build up of something sinister in the area as I talked to its citizens. Then to be unable to find anyone to do the missions sent me me crawling back to AP. I felt like I didn't have a choice.
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Protip: Broadcasting isnt the optimal way to find teammates
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Apparently not outside of AP.
Do you have any suggestions for the other zones?
yeah. it's called the /search command. and send tell's to people your lv asking if they would like to team up and run some missions.
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It's like a catch-22 for me.
I go to the zones I'm interested in and ask if anyone wants to group I hear crickets.
I attempt to solo the stuff, which isn't enjoyable to me (my own opinion I know others love soloing).
I go to AP, say "lvl X Y LFT" and immediately get an invite and/or whispers.
I recently reached Cimerora and loved the build up of something sinister in the area as I talked to its citizens. Then to be unable to find anyone to do the missions sent me me crawling back to AP. I felt like I didn't have a choice.
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Protip: Broadcasting isnt the optimal way to find teammates
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Apparently not outside of AP.
Do you have any suggestions for the other zones?
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Some people have suggested going to AP and broadcasting that you're putting together a team for regular missions or arcs. They've said they have luck because some people either want a change of pace or can't get on their farming teams.
Arc ID#30821, A Clean Break
The only problem with defeating the Tsoo is that an hour later, you want to defeat them again!
"Life is just better boosted!" -- LadyMage
"I'm a big believer in Personal Force Field on a blaster. ... It's your happy place." -- Fulmens
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It's like a catch-22 for me.
I go to the zones I'm interested in and ask if anyone wants to group I hear crickets.
I attempt to solo the stuff, which isn't enjoyable to me (my own opinion I know others love soloing).
I go to AP, say "lvl X Y LFT" and immediately get an invite and/or whispers.
I recently reached Cimerora and loved the build up of something sinister in the area as I talked to its citizens. Then to be unable to find anyone to do the missions sent me me crawling back to AP. I felt like I didn't have a choice.
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Protip: Broadcasting isnt the optimal way to find teammates
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Apparently not outside of AP.
Do you have any suggestions for the other zones?
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Some people have suggested going to AP and broadcasting that you're putting together a team for regular missions or arcs.
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I'll try both of those suggestions thank you.
And the irony is not lost on me about a suggestion to go back to AP.
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It's like a catch-22 for me.
I go to the zones I'm interested in and ask if anyone wants to group I hear crickets.
I attempt to solo the stuff, which isn't enjoyable to me (my own opinion I know others love soloing).
I go to AP, say "lvl X Y LFT" and immediately get an invite and/or whispers.
I recently reached Cimerora and loved the build up of something sinister in the area as I talked to its citizens. Then to be unable to find anyone to do the missions sent me me crawling back to AP. I felt like I didn't have a choice.
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Protip: Broadcasting isnt the optimal way to find teammates
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Apparently not outside of AP.
Do you have any suggestions for the other zones?
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Some people have suggested going to AP and broadcasting that you're putting together a team for regular missions or arcs.
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I'll try both of those suggestions thank you.
And the irony is not lost on me about a suggestion to go back to AP.
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another method is to join your server's badging channels. people usually organize hami/mothership raids and TF runs a lot out of those. Or find a good casual SG. all of this you can do by visiting your friendly server forum to find the info.
Want comedy and lighthearted action? Between levels 1-14? Try Nuclear in 90 - The Fusionette Task Force!
Arc ID 58363!
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another method is to join your server's badging channels. people usually organize hami/mothership raids and TF runs a lot out of those. Or find a good casual SG. all of this you can do by visiting your friendly server forum to find the info.
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I'm not saying any of those are bad ideas, but I'm just talking about missions.
I've joined 2 SGs, following suggestions here, and found myself to be more active than they are. Back to the drawing board...
Anyhoo, I propose an exercise. Start a new character on another server, not using your existing support groups to find teams, etc. Just to see how it is for a new player.
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I not sure which is more pathetic. The 20+ OPs like this every week, or the group of folks that feel the need to respond to everyone of them.
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