This isn't another AE has ruined my game thread
By
Armsman,
Posted on: 2009-07-03 06:40 in Mission Architect
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So, your position is that teams that run AE missions with one level 50 running a level 54 boss map with 7 autoSKed lowbies standing around doing nothing promotes excellence and competence? You think old-style doorsitting lowbies SKed to perma-46s are doing their "best?"
When characters are getting to level 50 in a couple of hours, it's not through efficiency and skill. It's through gaming a broken reward system. Characters that gain 20 and 30 levels an hour are not doing so through their own initiative; they are getting a free ride and using the SK mechanics to scam giant rewards.
I'm not talking some ridiculously low level level cap. I've not even suggesting what that level cap should be. I'm suggesting that one is needed. 20 levels an hour is obviously broken. Five levels an hour might be too low at level 1, but fine for level 10 or 15. It needs analysis and discussion, not out-of-hand dismissal.
Seriously, it's the only solution that will put a nail in this coffin once and for all. The exact levels can be adjusted as needed, just as the devs have adjusted the leveling rate up and down in the past.
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Hyperbole FTW! You really have no idea what you're talking about here.
Yeah, reducing AE XP further is not the solution. It'll just result in a dead AE.
Hard caps simply will not work either. All they end up doing is annoying players.
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In my opinion, the problem isn't an All Boss Spawn, or all lieutenant spawns, the problem is that nothing in this game actually rewards the players according to how easy or difficult it was for them to defeat their enemies! That is the root cause why PL'ing is even possible, that is the root cause why farming is possible, and that is why AE will always be even more exploitable than the other in-game content is.
If you truly care about this issue and are truly looking at ways on how to fix this issue, the answer doesn't lie in restricting All Boss Spawns or what-not. The answer lies in giving rewards proportionally to the direct effort each character had to invest in the fight to defeat a groups of enemies. That's my opinion at least, YMMV.
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There is a great thread about stuff like this here.
It is about a month old but I didn't see you posting in it so I think you'll enjoy it.
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I really don't care about the rest of the thread (OP, do we have to do this...again? Your thread is not unique, your position is not either, give it up)
[/ QUOTE ] Thanks for reading the entire thread, and then passing judgement.......if you read on maybe you would understand my position more. I am not trying to be unique......just trying to learn a bit more about the situation.
Are you a moderator? If ya dont want to read YET another thread.............then you shouldnt have came in. Pretty simple in my opinion, but you couldnt .........could you.
Give what up mate? Have I posted numerous threads about AE trying to get something modified? Nope........the only other posts I have made on AE are questions about a particular mission I made that I thought was banned but was only bugged..............so give up what? My first post?
My post was not inflamatory, nor was it crying........I think I posed some relevant questions. My title wasnt meant to be inflamatory either........just that I wanted that stated up front.
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So, in other words...this IS just another "AE Ruined MY Game" thrtead. Yep.
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So, in other words...this IS just another "AE Ruined MY Game" thrtead. Yep.
[/ QUOTE ] Yes because these statements that I made "I think AE is a great thing, and has incredible potential. I also am not an avid fan of nerfing farms......and................If the devs nerfed this Incorrectly at some point it could SEVERLY limit our capability to simply make CHALLENGING missions for post 50 content.
..........." Just smacks of that.............. Because skimming is much easier-------but 20 points to you sir for the quick wit! 
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I really don't care about the rest of the thread (OP, do we have to do this...again? Your thread is not unique, your position is not either, give it up) but I have to respond to Golbeh:
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Warface, Warface. Have you not yet learned that these forums are a dictatorship, and only the ub3r elite can ask questions, formulate opinions, or engage in discussions/debates? You are allowed an opinion when given one, got it? So I am afraid until the moderators of selective free speech and opinion arrive, we are going to have to expunge your posts and comments on previous discussions from the boards post-haste!
You understand, of course.
Capt. Obvious: Telling it like it is since 2004
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I really don't care about the rest of the thread (OP, do we have to do this...again? Your thread is not unique, your position is not either, give it up) but I have to respond to Golbeh:
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That's funny, I'm on around 6-7 global channels, part of an active SG, and play on Virtue, yet I never get any "NORMAL" teams despite going through each and every one of my channels.
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Either your global channels or your methods are bad.
I have one channel for Virtue and that is VU's current one. Even in the biggest flame wars and/or stupid conversations (of which I take part, instigate, lurk, or ignore), there is someone putting a call out for something.
Know what? The real reason is that they aren't doing what you want to do. Want a team that'll do what you want to do? Build one.
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This.
I have 7 global channels all in my tabs on every toon. I can get on a tf, radio/newspaper, or badge team ANY time I want. And want to know the most interesting thing: Of all the channels, since MA has been in existence I have seen ONE call for an AE team. Everything else on these channels has been radio/newspaper missions (which btw was just about all what most PUGs were doing prior to AE. Folks need to STOP with the silly idea that anyone was doing all this huge amount of non-TF non-radio/newspaper dev content prior to AE--no there weren't!), tfs, etc.
So this idea that you can't find regular teams in game is BULL S&^T. What folks spouting this nonsense need to say is "I'm too freaking lazy to form my own team."
Just say that and it'd be a lot more honest. Folks want OTHERS to form the teams for them and confirm to what they want to do, not what the team wants to do. The ridiculousness of that position is maddening.
Blazara Aura LVL 50 Fire/Psi Dom (with 125% recharge)
Flameboxer Aura LVL 50 SS/Fire Brute
Ice 'Em Aura LVL 50 Ice Tank
Darq Widow Fortune LVL 50 Fortunata (200% rech/Night Widow 192.5% rech)--thanks issue 19!
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I really don't care about the rest of the thread (OP, do we have to do this...again? Your thread is not unique, your position is not either, give it up) but I have to respond to Golbeh:
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Warface, Warface. Have you not yet learned that these forums are a dictatorship, and only the ub3r elite can ask questions, formulate opinions, or engage in discussions/debates? You are allowed an opinion when given one, got it? So I am afraid until the moderators of selective free speech and opinion arrive, we are going to have to expunge your posts and comments on previous discussions from the boards post-haste!
You understand, of course.
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I would bet money that the Ocho will eventually lock this.
They've been saying they want folks to discuss farming in the official farming thread.
Really doesn't matter what Warface intended, if the discussion keeps going about how to reduce xp, caps on leveling that starting to veer into the edge of a farming thread.
Blazara Aura LVL 50 Fire/Psi Dom (with 125% recharge)
Flameboxer Aura LVL 50 SS/Fire Brute
Ice 'Em Aura LVL 50 Ice Tank
Darq Widow Fortune LVL 50 Fortunata (200% rech/Night Widow 192.5% rech)--thanks issue 19!
Qr - Getting from 0-50 in 56 hrs is too fast IMO.
Also, if the 'have nots' are lobbying for the Devs to reduce the lead over them that the 'haves' have, then that's just another route to 'making your own fortune'.
Eco
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