I want my PVP back the way it used to be.

Ok I am sure you guys have heard this before, but I wanted to say my part anyways. Pre I13 I really really loved the fact I could goto a pvp zone and have the auto mal down and fight creatures there as if they were normal zone creatures PVE, as on the viallain side we lack a lot of good hunting zones ((we do not get hazzard zones at all . However now I find pvp zones monsters are much stronger due to all the pvp nerfs that happen the secound a player steps into one. I have made some effort to try pvp again but sadly no matter how hard I try its just not the same for me anymore. Perhaps I would be happier if the Hazzard zones of the hero side could become open to the villains. I would really love that as PVP is now just to droken fo rit to mean much more than a casual duel were I know its not a true test of what my toon isd really like

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i4 Please!

Would be wild!

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i4 Please!

Would be wild!

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I've always wanted just one server where the game would revert back to i2 or i3 where there weren't damage, defense, resistance, target caps, where Spines/Regens were gods, where people actually played the game. I think the Devs would be surprised how many people enjoyed Tankers farming and people playing it old school.

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22 50's in Bio
@Siphonic
RIP PX, GMW, and the game that used to be fun.

Still playing for reasons unknown.

YES! There should be nostalgia servers for a few of the old issues. Like one for I2 and another for I6.

Pre-PvP, my HO's were much more awesomer. Like so awesome that I have to make up words to describe the badassitude. And Regen was WAAAAY more fun.

And PvP itself has changed dramatically. IMO, for the worse, but whatever.

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i4 Please!

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I've always wanted just one server where the game would revert back to i2 or i3 where there weren't damage, defense, resistance, target caps, where Spines/Regens were gods, where people actually played the game. I think the Devs would be surprised how many people enjoyed Tankers farming and people playing it old school.

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I farm with tanks now, maybe I'm old.

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Infinity and Victory mostly
dUmb, etc.
lolz PvP anymore, Market PvP for fun and profit

They have said over and over - they will not go back to 12, they will not give us a pvp only server. PVE care bears rule this game. The pvp dev even said on test "we don't consider 13 a complete success but we don't think it is a complete failure either.." So they realize there is a lot wrong with 13 but don't care to fix it. They are too busy making new hats.

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This is classic and applies to all bugs in the damn game. to worried about farming AE to fix stuff.

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I want my PVP back the way it used to be, too.

Remember when the Arena had just came out? Everyone was getting destroyed by ice/ice blasters?

And then there was this hole where if you were a Warshade or Peacebringer that if we went into dwarf form we would completely demolish you because you didn't know much about PvP and we were [censored] beating your face in with our three or four heavy damage melee attacks?

Yea... That's what I want back. Me beating your [censored] face in and you not knowing what to do except die.

I received a ton of rated match wins like that.

... Then people caught on ...

WTF! I want my PVP back the way it used to be.

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I dont think that there are many people who are really serious about PvP, understand completely the new rules, and dont want it back to what it was in i12 and before.

We can never repeat it too much... maybe one day the devs will listen to us... maybe^^

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Lol @ devs listen to PvP people.

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Be careful what we wish for we may get PvP "improved" even more.

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Infinity and Victory mostly
dUmb, etc.
lolz PvP anymore, Market PvP for fun and profit

What are you talking about? i13 was a success, remember?

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lolz declaring victory

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Infinity and Victory mostly
dUmb, etc.
lolz PvP anymore, Market PvP for fun and profit

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i4 Please!

Would be wild!

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I've always wanted just one server where the game would revert back to i2 or i3 where there weren't damage, defense, resistance, target caps, where Spines/Regens were gods, where people actually played the game. I think the Devs would be surprised how many people enjoyed Tankers farming and people playing it old school.

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I farm with tanks now, maybe I'm old.

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hmm... I deleted my farm tankers. Am I younger now? =P

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I hate the new PVP rules. What is it, 2 or 3 of the same set bonus now? I pimped out my stalker so he has softcapped ranged and melee defense. I go into RV and the numbers are a lot lower.

They should've never changed the rules.

It's [censored] stupid.

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I hate the new PVP rules. What is it, 2 or 3 of the same set bonus now? I pimped out my stalker so he has softcapped ranged and melee defense. I go into RV and the numbers are a lot lower.

They should've never changed the rules.

It's [censored] stupid.

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I do think that DR affects defense sets pretty harshly in pvp right now, definately. Personally, I think they should increase our Elusivity in pvp from it's current 10% to around 15% at least. I think they went a little overboard on nerfing Elusivity in pvp...

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Yeah I made the mistake of making a Ninjitsu stalker.

Outside of hide my numbers are:

PVE:

Melee: 48%
Ranged: 43%
AOE: 29%

PVP:

Melee: 34%
Ranged: 31%
AOE: 23%

Inside hide:

PVE:

Melee: 57%
Ranged: 51%
AOE: 92%

PVP:

Melee: 38%
Ranged: 36%
AOE: 48%

At least I get a little resistence in RV, but then again everyone does.

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I do think that DR affects defense sets pretty harshly in pvp right now

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I posted these stats during open beta, I'm sure they are the same now.

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Bubb Controller Combat Attributes:

Regeneration Rate 1.02%/sec (13.14 hp/sec) (PvE) 0.97% (12.38 hp/sec) (PvP)

Recovery Rate 3.00%/sec (3.30 end/sec) (PvE) 2.87% (3.15 end/sec) (PvP

Endurance Consumption 1.54%/sec (1.69 end/sec) (PvE) 1.65% (1.82 end/sec) (PvP)

Fly Speed 54.26 (PvE) 46.46 (PvP)


Damage Resistance (PvP Resist Bonus, Mind Over Body)
S 41.78% (PvE) / 41.15% (PvP) / -0.63% (Difference)
L 41.78% / 41.15% / -0.63%
F 0.00% / 41.15% / +41.15%
C 0.00% / 41.15% / +41.15%
E 0.00% / 41.15% / +41.15%
NE 0.00% / 41.15% / +41.15%
P 33.39% / 41.71% / +8.32%
T 0.00% / 41.15% / +41.15%


Damage Resistance (PvP Resist Bonus, Mind Over Body, Personal Force Field)
S 75% (PvE) / 46.42% (PvP) / -28.58% (Difference)
L 75% / 46.42% / -28.58%
F 40.00% / 46.42% / +6.42%
C 40.00% / 46.42% / +6.42%
E 40.00% / 46.42% / +6.42%
NE 40.00% / 46.42% / +6.42%
P 73.39% / 46.67% / -26.67%
T 0.00% / 41.15% / +41.15%


COMBAT MODE
Defense (Dispersion Bubble, Stealth, (IW))
Base 0.00% (PvE) / 0.00% (PvP)
Ranged 18.81% / 12.49% / -6.32% (Difference)
Melee 16.31% / 11.40% / -4.91%
AOE 16.31% / 11.40% / -4.91%
S 16.31% / 11.40% / -4.91%
L 16.31% / 11.40% / -4.91%
F 16.31% / 11.40% / -4.91%
C 16.31% / 11.40% / -4.91%
E 21.31% / 13.45% / -7.86%
NE 21.31% / 13.45% / -7.86%
P 16.31% (38.31%) / 11.40% (17.48%) / -4.91% (-20.83%)
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TOTAL DEFENSE MODE
Defense (Personal Force Field, Dispersion Bubble, Stealth, (IW))
Base 106.33% (PvE) / 20.25% (PvP) / -86.08% (Difference)
Ranged 125.14% / 33.01% / -92.13%
Melee 122.64% / 31.91% / -90.73%
AOE 122.64% / 31.91% / -90.73%
S 122.64% / 31.91% / -90.73%
L 122.64% / 31.91% / -90.73%
F 122.64% / 31.91% / -90.73%
C 122.64% / 31.91% / -90.73%
E 127.64% / 33.97% / -93.67%
NE 127.64% / 33.97% / -93.67%
P 122.24% (145.14%) / 31.91 (37.99%) / -90.73% (-107.15%)
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In PvP...
I regenerate less and my heals are decayed.

I recover less.

I consume more endurance with the same toggles

I fly slower.

My movement is suppressed from every angle.

I am guaranteed to be mezzed.

DR has killed my defenses.

All in exchange for more damage and damage resistance that allows me a few more second to heal and phase.

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This is a toon that relied on defense for survival. Bubbs don't have extra goodies built in like self heals, +perception and the only thing going for them now is mez resistance.

Everyone has been affected but some are better off then others.

LOL at Defense.

LOL at PvP.

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A very sad story about War Witch and the neglected kitty. http://boards.cityofheroes.com/showthread.php?t=219670

PvP sucks now.

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"PvP Messiah"