I'll stand by my original statement that "you should go" if you stand by your original statement that "you don't plan to change".
Adapt. Those that cannot adapt are doomed to damage their surroundings and inevitably to self destruction. It's true in nature. It's true in biology. It's true in politics. It's true in the game and on the forums.
As a highly intelligent individual, PK, you should already know that.
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I agree with most of what you said, T.
If somebody you're arguing with goes off the deep end, don't follow.
Not that my opinion particularly matters on the subject, but I did take the time to read the thread. In truth, I hardly know you, and also in truth, I don't mind that. Why's that? Because I'm antisocial. I know, hard to believe, the person who never knows when to shut up in the channel is admitting to being antisocial. So I'll rephrase. I have AS. I love people. Adore them. And most of the time, I get along with them great. But there are often times when I just happen to miss cues that others consider to be blatantly obvious, and this makes me weird. When I make jokes, often as not, no one gets them. So I'm uneasy around people, and this is precisely one of the reasons why I like online. But unlike those who'd say "get a real life and you'll do better," I live in the camp that tells me if the internet hadn't been there for me, I would have killed myself twelve years ago, just because I couldn't cope with all these strange, senseless people around me.
It's better now. In fact, I think things are great, but anyone that knows me well from the JS channel won't be surprised to hear that I have AS. And I appreciate the fact that nearly all of the people in JS, no matter their walk in life, are happy to give people a chance, and mature enough to even offer up a second chance. I don't think I've ever struck out with anyone in the channel, but I do worry about it often. I suppose that's what makes me different from you... When I realize I went too far, I get upset, and I get extremely quiet. I go over it in my head a hundred times and try to comprehend what went wrong. And then I decide that next time, I'll be ready. I'll catch that cue. And then next time... I miss it entirely. It's so... frustrating. But I never give up trying, because I know, at least in my case, beating AS is an unfair, but not too difficult challenge. How you decide to work with it is up to you, and I'm certainly not a 'success case' so I have no right to judge. My point...
These are good people here. They all have feelings that can be hurt, and they have friendships that are very strong indeed. Somehow I fit in. I'm happy. And I feel comfortable enough, even given my apprehension over social interaction, to speak with people as if I know them, and I can expect them to... usually... understand what I meant, or at least smile politely, as long as I didn't step over the line.
AS isn't an excuse, but it's an easy explanation. You can point to it in Wikipedia, and people will read it, nod, and understand where you're coming from. Sometimes this helps, and sometimes not. I make it a point not to tell people generally because I want people to think I'm normal. But I'm not ashamed to admit it when the scene is appropriate.
Rambling again, so here's what all this verbage is trying to say: Whether you stay or go is your choice. But if you choose to stay, just as with fitting in with any other group or community in the world, it is each individual's responsibility to compose themselves in a manner that will generally be acceptable to most, if not all of, the people present in that community. I often fail at this, but I keep trying. And this is how I believe is best for me to handle AS. It's not conformity, but practicality, in my mind. *shrug* It's worked for me so far, and I'd be happy to welcome anyone who's making an honest, even sometimes shaky, effort to participate as part of the community. But we have to be prepared to get in hot water if we go over the lines and don't realize it.
Just my two inf.
I'd love to talk with you more about this elsewhere, I've never met another "Aspie". (I don't like that term myself)
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I see what your saying El. Basically it's like if you go to a town where it's illegal to say the name wrong, then you either conform (and still be yourself) or move along till you find a place where it's ok to say the name any way you want. I think basically that's what everyone is saying here. Even the ones that say "go". When it comes down to it (as I kinda said before) it will be your decision. You know what you truly want to do and no one else does. You may be looking for that nudge in the right direction...no matter what it's not going to happen here. Basically you have to decide what you want to do, and go for it. This doesn't just apply to here, but in anything. If you truly want to stay (and there's been a problem), then you know you need to fix the problem. Sometimes that's not easy to do or something you really want to do (fixing the problem), but it's the lesser of the 2 evils or goods either way you want to look at it.
It's funny....when I first started BB (and GP for that matter, and Steele, and more...), people used to tell me all the time how to play or how I should build them for this or for that, but when it came down to it, I did what I wanted to do. My ex-roommate (from years ago) used to ask me advice allllllllll the time. She would ask, what do you think I should do? I'd tell her...she wouldn't really like it, because that's not what she wanted to do, so she would just do what she wanted to do anyhow. It's human nature to try to no matter what try to do what we want to do. Decide that, then go forward.
Not sure if any of this helps, but hey...it's your path, chose where you want it to go.
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Elasi, after reading your post, I noticed right away the difference between you and PK.
Within your post you stated:
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PK, if you're not even willing to try, then what can you offer this community? I remember when you came over, I welcomed you. I enjoy the majority of your posts.
I mean, the main reason for me being on "JS" is because of the community, you like to chat in it, I assume that that is one of the reasons you are there as well. When it comes to "JS" it's so easy to hit the 'Enter' key without giving a thought to what was just typed. All I can recommend is that you take a breath, read what you typed out, and if it even gives you a twinge that it might not be taken well, use that 'Backspace' key.
I do that often, both in chat and in the forums. It's easy enough to type some snarky/incendiary comment, it's not so easy to take it back.
The choice is yours, really. I am of the opinion that you will do whatever it is that you want nomatter what the outcome of this thread.
Personally, I don't have a problem with you. You actually pronounced my name right 
. I know how to ignore stuff that i want to ignore, and run with the things that interest me. So, to me it is a non issue.
Do what YOU feel is best for YOU.
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AS... heard of it before but didn't know the details. Thanks for the info. It may explain some things about someone I know.
As far as the original topic goes; you may as well stick around & keep an eye on what you type.
Get your game on, have some fun & interact with others. We know how to hit the ignore button if you go over the top.
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Elasi, after reading your post, I noticed right away the difference between you and PK.
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While PK, in one of your posts you said:
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I know what's irritating people and it's my natural personality. That's not changing.
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PK, if you're not even willing to try, then what can you offer this community? I remember when you came over, I welcomed you. I enjoy the majority of your posts.
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So why pray tell should someone change to fit into a community? There are plenty examples of communities where everyone has to "fit in" in the real world. And all of them are viewed negatively. From the snobbish exclusive subdivisions of the well to do, to the authoritarian regimes of Afghanistan under the Taliban or even Iran today, to the ultimate in groups like Jonestown. Expecting everyone to fit in is wrong, wrong, wrong.
Well, there are some exceptions. The Amish communities are viewed as "quaint" for example. But most other "fit in or leave" type groups just are not really fit communities.
Far better for people to be who they are, express themselves, and live with the fact that some people don't like them (and they might not like them back). But changing just to appease others is always the wrong way to go, and leaving to avoid them is also just as bad.
Nobody is asking him not to be an individual. They want him to be less of an [censored]. Or at least, take responsibility for his attitudes.
Socialization and adopting normative behavior isn't just about appeasing others. Do you pick you nose in front of your boss at work? Or maybe walk your dog in the nude?
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Pot, meet kettle.
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Pot, meet kettle.
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Ooooh dang, is it time for me to make a poll?
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I don't know, Kettle. The Pot made a good point though.
If somebody you're arguing with goes off the deep end, don't follow.
I thought that acknowledging it and offering a fair vote WAS taking responsibility?
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Oh no... If it's only that easy. In a perfect world, it might be that easy. But here, in the real world, something as simple as making a poll isn't going to absolve you of your previous behavior. My recommendation: drop your defenses and listen. There are some good advice in this thread for you from people of all walks of life.
So far, I see you in a defensive position trying to justify your behavior, make excuses, and otherwise make it easy on yourself. Well, change is not easy and change is what is required of you in order for others to change their attitude towards you, assuming that is what you want and not just attention. This change is not going to happen overnight.
If somebody you're arguing with goes off the deep end, don't follow.
Well, it looks like I've been voted off the island, and since I'm a man of my word, I must GTFO.
Byyyyyeeee....
Really? Looks like more of a tie to me right now...
Assuming that "And U R?" and "I like the clash, too!" are neutral votes.
PK...
You and I should hang out more... I can take you being an [censored], it doesn't matter if you are being an [censored] willingly or unwillingly...
I've been watching the thread go with marked distress. I just haven't said anything because, well, I don't see what there really is to say.
This is a social conflict, not a civil matter or a felony. There's nobody to provide a real authority on what is or isn't right. General consensus says that your particular topics of discussion were considered rude and vulgar, and I was just as annoyed as many other posters here, but that's hardly a reason to disappear.
Ultimately, the decision is yours, PK. It's been fun having you here and I hope you have fun in your future endeavors.
"Have a good one," as they say in my family.
If it means anything, PK, I voted "stay."
Reasons? Don't really have any. I don't see why you should go over an argument, though.
Take care.
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Look at that. A full-grown woman pulling off pigtails. Her crazy is off the charts.
The vote is not as even as it seems. I gave MYSELF a 4 vote "weighted" score based on the fact that it does directly involve me. Take away my "weighted" vote, and it's easy to see that the majority of people don't want me here, so I'm gone.
I'll be moving back over to Freedom where I can be another anonymous face. I will however, still be keeping the Teamsters global chat window open at all times and will come back to the server to play with people in that channel. And if anyone else would like to team with me, they can reach me in the game @The Player, space included.
Yes, I know I already said "bye", but I had to explain a little more for those who were confused by the poll. This'll be my last post here. And the JS channel is already free of me. Have fun!
So long and thanks for all the fish!
I'm not very vocal in JS or on these forums, but, "Can I have your stuff?"
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I don't know, Kettle. The Pot made a good point though.
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I resign from voicing my opinion, as I deal very little with the poster...but I did have to give a loud ROFLOL to Kid for that comment.
Struck my funny bone, somehow. 
You want honesty? Do it in a PM. I am NOT going to rake you or anyone else over the coals on the forums, and most people aren't either.
It's a kind of ugliness I'd prefer were not on this forum.
And just because you INVITE personal attacks, doesn't make it ok.