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Very logical, but #1 isn't going to happen. I know what's irritating people and it's my natural personality. That's not changing. I went through enough of that in my young life. I'm not changing for anyone anymore. Thus the poll. If people don't want me to play in their sandbox, I'll take my toys and go home.
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Then you already know what you should do. There is no need to ask the question.
"Goodbye, Jean-Luc. I'm gonna miss you... you had such potential. But then again, all good things must come to an end..." -- Q
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As far as I can tell, this guy spends an inordinate amount of time in online communities and eventually pisses people off with his relentless "attention-[censored]." He appeared to get a clue around last Christmas, when he posted his long goodbye post describing his internet problems.
But nope, he came back and situated himself on Protector. Now he's asking the disinterested forum community at large if he should stay, so that he can tell the naysayers to S T F U.
That's not a good thing. Online interaction is exactly what they don't need. It actually reinforces bad behavioral patterns and if things start to go south with people, as in this case, they just hop in to another community and repeat the same cycle.
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Yeah. I bet no one saw this one coming...
This is why I solo, online gaming seems to attract alot of these. I sill keep JS on a tab when I play, but have found it harder and harder to listen in nowdays with all the attention [censored] going on.
I wish you all the best PK, but I really hope you are listening to some of whats being said here and can bring about some changes to make sure this pattern stops.
Personal attacks, even when invited, are still inappropriate (this is not addressed to anyone in specific). As is evading the language censor (this is pointed at certain people).
Also I fall into the deal with your current situation rather than leaving camp. Let me consult the I.B.D.A.D. however (Inexpensive binary decision assisting device, i.e. flipping a coin).
/em flip
/em looks
The IBDAD agrees with me. Looks like you stay.
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Second, I have never seen you be offensive, in any place other then the one place that all protectorites should expect to be offended that being "Jello Shooters" Honestly the MOTD on the channel says what it says for a reason.
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Jello Shooters is a public channel that was set up for everyone to use. Being offensive and then hiding behind the MOTD is as stupid as him doing the same thing and hiding behind his Aspergers.
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.... and again... this is completely true.
There is a story behind that message of the day. I expect that even most of the people who were around at the time don't know the actual reason it was put in place.
I was part of the discussion involved in putting that message in place, and let me assure you... it does NOT mean "Feel free to behave like a giant jackass."
As Slan said, it IS still a public channel. You are still part of a community.
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Personal attacks, even when invited, are still inappropriate (this is not addressed to anyone in specific). As is evading the language censor (this is pointed at certain people).
Also I fall into the deal with your current situation rather than leaving camp. Let me consult the I.B.D.A.D. however (Inexpensive binary decision assisting device, i.e. flipping a coin).
/em flip
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I agree with you that PK should stay and find a way to co-exist, but that was already suggested...
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If your behavior is causing agitation from the very people you are attempting to interact with, and said behavior is not an act, but you just being you. Then either something is wrong with you, or you are wrong for them.
So, in conclusion, if you're irritating people, and you care about their opinions, then you do one of two things:
1. figure out what you're doing to irritate people and stop doing it
2. don't "hang out" with them
I recommend #1, because you should learn something useful about yourself in the process and hopefully improve yourself.
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But PKs response was...
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Very logical, but #1 isn't going to happen. I know what's irritating people and it's my natural personality. That's not changing. I went through enough of that in my young life. I'm not changing for anyone anymore. Thus the poll. If people don't want me to play in their sandbox, I'll take my toys and go home.
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The only logical conclusion is for him to leave. Staying will only cause more negative attention (to put it mildly) directed his way and cause this cycle to continue. Maybe if he leaves he'll see the truth...
"Goodbye, Jean-Luc. I'm gonna miss you... you had such potential. But then again, all good things must come to an end..." -- Q
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Second, I have never seen you be offensive, in any place other then the one place that all protectorites should expect to be offended that being "Jello Shooters" Honestly the MOTD on the channel says what it says for a reason.
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Jello Shooters is a public channel that was set up for everyone to use. Being offensive and then hiding behind the MOTD is as stupid as him doing the same thing and hiding behind his Aspergers.
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.... and again... this is completely true.
There is a story behind that message of the day. I expect that even most of the people who were around at the time don't know the actual reason it was put in place.
I was part of the discussion involved in putting that message in place, and let me assure you... it does NOT mean "Feel free to behave like a giant jackass."
As Slan said, it IS still a public channel. You are still part of a community.
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I forgot to pay my association fees, can I still be part of the community 
all kiddin aside:
I used have a girlfriend who woyuld always threaten me with leaving and my answer was always the same " I ain't beggin you to stay" so Player/PostKount/ or whatever name your going to use tomorrow I say this "I ain't beggin you to stay".
But I am not telling you to leave either. We got no history so if you go my gaming isn't going to be affected in any way, and if you stay, don't affect me none either.
It's a life lesson taught to us as children "treat others as you would expect to be treated" so the more bridges you burn the bigger the chance is you'll be left on the otherside.I can go on with those cheesy little one liners but i'm sure you get the picture.
So if you decide to go: Adios, que dios te bendiga y que te compane siempre.
If you decide to stay: Bienvenido, disfruta y comparte en nuestra celebracion de vida.
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I could not care less about this whole silly thread, but I simply want to interject that people who cannot learn to get along with others tend to not go very far in life... It's a pretty important "life skill" to have.
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Unfortunately for me, it's actually a "condition" that I have so needless to say, sometimes just asking outright is the best way to go.
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I have a question for you, PK...
When were you diagnosed with Asperger's?
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Let's see, it's.. June now? About 5 months ago. By a doctor that's been dealing with both childhood and adult autism spectrum for almost as long as I've been alive.
That being said, I'm not "hiding" behind anything, and I'm not using it as an "excuse" either. I'm presenting it as a fact. This is the way that my brain is wired, and although I can often times account for this irregularity in something such as a forum post, where I have the time to sit there and think about things, in-game it's not as easy.
It's the same as the difference between writing a letter and talking with someone on the phone. With a letter, you can take all the time you need, so I can take the time to carefully go over everything and make sure it says what I want it to say. On the phone, silence is usually taken as the person either not listening, or being "slow". And not slow in the good way.
So, often times in chat I say things that offend people. That's just the reality of the situation. It's essentially fate, and I can't change that any more than I can change the way my brain is wired. It's not like for example Bipolar or Boderline Personality Disorder (which my ex had), it's not a chemical imbalance that can be corrected with medication. It's actually an "abnormality" in the way that the brain is hard-wired to think that developed at an early age. Though I prefer to say it's just a difference, not an abnormality.
Going through my life history with my psychologist, we've basically determined that I've had this condition my entire life, but my naturally high IQ (not being conceited, just fact) has helped me to "compensate" for this MOST of the time so that it wasn't noticeable to anyone.
It was only after I was out of school, out of college, and out of any situation where you are "forced" into interacting with people on a personal level that I began to feel like something was up. That's when I realized that I never DID make any friends in any situation that wasn't "forced". I don't make casual conversation with people, everything that I say and do always has to have a "purpose" or direction.
You know how most people have conversations about their lives, friends, family, and such? Gossip, I think it's called. And that's how peer foundations are often built. Well, I can't do that because it has "no point", meaning that my brain doesn't pay attention because it's not considered important information to any project that I'm a part of. So, I can't talk with people on a normal level in the real world like most people do.
It explains a lot of things actually, but this post is already going on too long.
Let's just sum it up by saying, I have this issue, it's not going away, I can TRY to compensate by taking my time to think out everything before I type it in-game, but sometime that's just not possible and my fingers just start moving as fast as my head does.
So I'm going to offend people, it's inevitable, because what I think is harmless is often times very harmful or offensive to other people.
I'm starting to ramble a bit trying to explain the way it feels....
Imagine this: Your brain is designed to work in one specific way, a certain "logic" or set of rules to always follow. And as such you assume that everyone thinks in the same way you do, because it's the only way that "makes sense". Now imagine that you're put into the world where people come to the same conclusion you do.... MUCH of the time, but not always. And even when they do come to the same conclusions, it's often times in different ways and for different reasons. Well, this is completely alien to me as there is only "one way" to see things.... it's so frustrating and hard to deal with. 
I KNOW that I'm the odd one, I KNOW that I'm the one that sees things in the "weird way", but it's hard to live in a world where you think that everyone else is the odd one and sees things in the weird way....
I don't know exactly where I'm going with this, but maybe my ramblings will make some sense to someone.
Anyways, I'm going to TRY, and that's the key word there.... to SLOW DOWN my fingers and go over things more thouroughly before letting them move in the future....
...key word once again, TRY... no promises.
Do or do not. There is no try.
Thanks, Yoda. Then I guess I'll be doing a lot of BOTH.
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Thanks, Yoda. Then I guess I'll be doing a lot of BOTH.
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See, this is the kind of thing I'm talking about. I just typed that out and hit enter and smiled, because I thought it was clever that I got the reference. After I hit enter and sat there for a minute, I realized that it could be construed as some form of insult.
That was not my intention.
To go into more depth to try to explain the difference. In this case, I would think that everyone that saw that as an insult would be "wrong" because that was not the point of the post. So they would be "wrong".
But in reality, I'm the one that's "wrong" because it's the societal norm to carefully construct your sentences to not offend. So in that case everyone else is "right" and I'm wrong.
It's like some kind of invisible wall that separates me and those like me from the rest of the world... and I can either try to change everyone else (impossible) OR try to compensate for my "difference" (easier, but still hard).
That being said, trying to compensate for my "difference" is NOT changing who I am, because who I am by nature wished to offend no-one. I'm just somewhat jaded at being misunderstood and mis-interpreted all my life. So much so that I've for the most part given up. It's tiring to have to constantly explain yourself.
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Thanks, Yoda. Then I guess I'll be doing a lot of BOTH.
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See, this is the kind of thing I'm talking about. I just typed that out and hit enter and smiled, because I thought it was clever that I got the reference. After I hit enter and sat there for a minute, I realized that it could be construed as some form of insult.
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So why not take that little extra moment and think about what you say instead of just throwing it out there and hoping for the best?
The obvious answer to me is, you don't want to. That's okay, too. Just don't be so surprised when people get peeved/upset/angry, etc etc etc.
Most Aspergers sufferers deal with their particular part of the spectrum via medication (which you stated was not an option) or behavior modification. You KNOW you behave in this way. You KNOW people get peeved or whatever and you make no attempt at modifying the behavior. Which tells most people, you just don't care.
Well, if you don't care, why ask the stay or go question in the first place? Either deal with with the people who are hostile or don't like you (lots of ignore features, I use them often... when I'm tired of arguing) or leave 'em behind. You don't need someone else to tell you that.
And BTW, if you read back over something and you think it's going to be offensive (at least on the forums) there is teh delete button. I know, I've used it lots of times befores.
At least to my mind, it still sounds like a bit of an excuse. *shrugs* But that's my opinion, and like every other [censored]'s opinion on the interwebz, to someone, it will stink.
I was told that medication would do me no good. And I do care, but it's so tiring to go through everything, it wears you out, mind and soul.
Maybe I should get a second medical opinion on the medication.
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Anyways, I'm going to TRY, and that's the key word there.... to SLOW DOWN my fingers and go over things more thouroughly before letting them move in the future....
...key word once again, TRY... no promises.
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It's always good to sit back and reflect on what your about to say and do before you actually say and or do it. Granted in life there are situations that require on the spot responses/reactions, this is not one of them. This is a Forum where most of us come to share our in-game and most of the time Real Life experiences with other members of this Forum. These are people that some of us respect enough to call "FRIEND", even if thier relationships do not transcend to that level there is still a level of respect amongst peers here that we all try to adhere by. By saying that with your sickness/disorder you cannot give those people here, whom I might add "welcomed you to our community all those months back with open arms" then just don't post. If you need to constantly be the center of attention get a dog.
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"welcomed you to our community all those months back with open arms"
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I like how you put that in quotes, because I definitely remember the "welcome" I got from a few people here when I first came to town.
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If there's all these people that think I'm doing this "to be the center of attention" then don't give me any. I'm not doing it to be the center of attention, although I'm sure you'll think that way no matter what. I made this thread to PREVENT me from being the "center of attention" in the future, by finding one of two ways to resolve any future issues.
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I like how you put that in quotes, because I definitely remember the "welcome" I got from a few people here when I first came to town.
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Right, for just the thing your telling us about. Okay, if you can't or won't modify behavior, then you should expect those kinds of reactions, and not be so upset by them. It was just such a reaction that was part of that "welcome".
So like I said before, stay or go, most people REALLY don't care one way or the other.... just do it and quit talking about it.
K.
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So like I said before, stay or go, most people REALLY don't care one way or the other.... just do it and quit talking about it.
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My father on my wedding day said the key to a veeeery long marriage is 2 simple word "yes dear"
12 yrs later this past Sunday it still works
and looking at the way you wrote that makes me want to say....YES DEAR
As said before, you can either 1. adapt and change, 2. leave, or 3. keep on doing what you were doing. You're dancing around the wish that the community would change to accept you, the way you are now. As difficult as you said change as is for you, how likely do you think THAT is going to happen? Review, evaluate, decide. The choice is yours, not ours. But if you really would like an accurate poll to decide for you, put up a poll and not a thread so people can vote anonymously.
If somebody you're arguing with goes off the deep end, don't follow.
People can't put up polls on these forums, only Mods and employees of the company.
Where there's a will, there's a way. Put up a poll else where and link us if you have to. If you don't want to, that's fine.
If somebody you're arguing with goes off the deep end, don't follow.
You're right, there's no way that I'll get an honest answer this way, people are too chicken to stand by their opinions. Thanks for the advice.
Here you go.
I'd like to think of those people as polite. Either way, as Mod8 puts it, personal attacks, invited or not, are inappropriate here.
If somebody you're arguing with goes off the deep end, don't follow.
Polite people would be honest when asked to be honest.
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As far as I can tell, this guy spends an inordinate amount of time in online communities and eventually pisses people off with his relentless "attention-[censored]." He appeared to get a clue around last Christmas, when he posted his long goodbye post describing his internet problems.
But nope, he came back and situated himself on Protector. Now he's asking the disinterested forum community at large if he should stay, so that he can tell the naysayers to S T F U.
Some comments on Asperger's:
1. It's not an excuse to be an [censored].
2. People with the condition will often use it to manipulate other people to get sympathy, attention, etc.
3. It's true that Aspies seek interaction online, because they don't have to deal with all the nonverbal, social context stuff.
That's not a good thing. Online interaction is exactly what they don't need. It actually reinforces bad behavioral patterns and if things start to go south with people, as in this case, they just hop in to another community and repeat the same cycle.
If anyone either 1. can't stand this guy or 2. actually cares about his social development they should vote that he leaves the server, leaves the game, turns the computer off, shoves the cats off his lap, and drags his lazy [censored] out into the real world for some actual social interaction.
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This.
Yes.
*waits for the world to end*