Reconciling Positional, Typed, and global defense?
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Posted on: 2009-06-11 09:10 in Archetypes and Powers General Discussion
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There is no such thing as "Global" defense. Global just means EVERYTHING.
+3% global DEF = +3% Smashing, Lethal, Energy, Neg. Energy, Fire, Cold, Psi, Ranged, Melee, AoE. It will stack with any other DEF value that you (or may not) have.
As for the rest, you're correct in it.
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My basic question is how do all of these things play together?
My basic understanding of positional versus typed is the larger of the two.
Say we have a character with a 20% melee defense bonus, a 15% smashing defense bonus, and a 10% ranged defense bonus.
With the above if I get hit with a melee smashing attack I would get a defense bonus of 20%. If I got hit with a ranged smashing attack I would get a 15% defense bonus correct?
Now assuming I have that right, how does global defense from IOs, weave, maneuvers etc work into that? Lets say I am getting a 4% bonus from weave, a 5% bonus from maneuvers, and a 3% global defense IO. With the above situations do you simply add them all together? So for the melee attack I would get a 32% (20+4+5+3) defense bonus, and the ranged attack I would get 28% (15+4+5+3) bonus?
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Basically, Maneuvers, Weave and the +Def IO all add to every defense type, so yes all three would essentially be added together and would apply equally to all individual and positional defense categories.
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There is no such thing as "Global" defense. Global just means EVERYTHING.
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you are correct in that most powers just grant +def to everything, but there is "base" defense which is technically global defense.
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There is no such thing as "Global" defense. Global just means EVERYTHING.
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you are correct in that most powers just grant +def to everything, but there is "base" defense which is technically global defense.
[/ QUOTE ]IIRC, however, PFF is the only power that gives base defense (Base Defense is added to all other defense types when calculating defense). Defense debuffs, on the other hand, frequently target base defense.
http://www.fimfiction.net/story/36641/My-Little-Exalt
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There is no such thing as "Global" defense. Global just means EVERYTHING.
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you are correct in that most powers just grant +def to everything, but there is "base" defense which is technically global defense.
[/ QUOTE ]IIRC, however, PFF is the only power that gives base defense (Base Defense is added to all other defense types when calculating defense). Defense debuffs, on the other hand, frequently target base defense.
[/ QUOTE ] One of the veteran buff pets (at least when introduced. It may have been changed.) also grants a buff to base defense.
Actually, there's a lot of base defense ...
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Actually, there's a lot of base defense ...
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http://www.fimfiction.net/story/36641/My-Little-Exalt
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One of the veteran buff pets (at least when introduced. It may have been changed.) also grants a buff to base defense.
[/ QUOTE ]It still shows as adding to base defense in game.
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Actually, there's a lot of base defense ...
[/ QUOTE ]I'm gonna smack you
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Sorry... couldn't resist. 
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Actually, there's a lot of base defense ...
[/ QUOTE ]I'm gonna smack you
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Sorry... couldn't resist.
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this might help
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Actually, there's a lot of base defense ...
[/ QUOTE ]I'm gonna smack you
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Sorry... couldn't resist.
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this might help
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http://www.fimfiction.net/story/36641/My-Little-Exalt
My basic question is how do all of these things play together?
My basic understanding of positional versus typed is the larger of the two.
Say we have a character with a 20% melee defense bonus, a 15% smashing defense bonus, and a 10% ranged defense bonus.
With the above if I get hit with a melee smashing attack I would get a defense bonus of 20%. If I got hit with a ranged smashing attack I would get a 15% defense bonus correct?
Now assuming I have that right, how does global defense from IOs, weave, maneuvers etc work into that? Lets say I am getting a 4% bonus from weave, a 5% bonus from maneuvers, and a 3% global defense IO. With the above situations do you simply add them all together? So for the melee attack I would get a 32% (20+4+5+3) defense bonus, and the ranged attack I would get 28% (15+4+5+3) bonus?