Base payment teleportation option
By
Aggelakis,
Posted on: 2009-05-30 22:25 in Suggestions and Ideas
Why not skip the middleman and have an option to pay base rent right at the Base Portal. Rent's due? Click the nearest portal and take care of it!
I'll take anything that makes paying base rent more convenient, I'm running four one-player SGs over here!
BackAlleyBrawler: I can't facepalm this post hard enough.
ShoNuff: If sophisticated = bro-mantically emo-tastic, then I'm going to keep to my Shonen loving simplicity dammit.
I'd go for that too - my thinking was more that this would (potentially) not need much added functionality to do.
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I have given all of the members of my SG the ability to pay base rent just so there is a chance that I don't have to go and do it. On hero-side I am far less annoyed about it, but on red? Oh my goodness does it annoy me. Its in the one zone that I never go back to once I "outgrow" it!
Why not just throw the stupid thing out and never think about it again?
"Nothing is impossible for the man who doesn't have to do it himself." ~Midnight Flux's former boss.
There are usually two sides to every argument but no end.
Everything placed above this line is always IMHO, YMMV and quite certainly not to be taken too seriously....
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Why not just throw the stupid thing out and never think about it again?
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I dunno... I kinda like the idea that you are renting out part of an alternate dimension (or wherever the bases actually exist). It feels like something that should be there. Plus, you need SOMETHING to do with all of that prestige.
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Why not just throw the stupid thing out and never think about it again?
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I dunno... I kinda like the idea that you are renting out part of an alternate dimension (or wherever the bases actually exist). It feels like something that should be there. Plus, you need SOMETHING to do with all of that prestige.
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*shrug*
I think it's a pointless baseless God forsaken pain in the )(*&^&$^*&*^%)(*&_(*^% and I would be really happy to see it go.
I suppose it's not gonna go so instead of the actual confusing and ludicrously stupid system they should just take the damned prestige from our SG account automatically on the first of the month every month and be done with it. Once you are out of prestige your base lock down after a 2 week grace period.
If you need to stop paying for whatever reason, you can shutdown your base. It costs a month of upkeep to do so. To start it up again, it's also one month of upkeep.
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Right as I clicked the "post" button, I felt a great disturbance in the Force, as if millions of griefers suddenly cried out in orgasm and were suddenly silenced.
What a magnificent tool I just created for them!
Forget that one...
Just remove upkeep.
"Nothing is impossible for the man who doesn't have to do it himself." ~Midnight Flux's former boss.
There are usually two sides to every argument but no end.
Everything placed above this line is always IMHO, YMMV and quite certainly not to be taken too seriously....
Remove upkeep? Why? I have a decently large plot with plenty of stuff in it. My upkeep comes up to 500 prestige a month. I don't know about you, but I routinely make 500 prestige in ONE MISSION.
I just wish it were more convenient to pay it, especially villainside because I can never remember where the door is.
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Remove upkeep? Why? I have a decently large plot with plenty of stuff in it. My upkeep comes up to 500 prestige a month. I don't know about you, but I routinely make 500 prestige in ONE MISSION.
I just wish it were more convenient to pay it, especially villainside because I can never remember where the door is.
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Because it's a drain with no return. It's... Well, it's upkeep. One of THE selling points of this game for me is that you NEVER go backwards. No matter how slowly you may move and how long it may take you to advance, you are ALWAYS moving forward. Base rent is a clear, unambiguous move backwards. I don't just have to make a base and pay for the things inside, I have to keep paying to KEEP it, which is NOT a zero-sum equation if I don't have any income. If I one day decide to stop fighting enemies and doing missions, I will never lose access to my slots, powers or enhancements. They will always be there for me. However, base rent will slowly but surely drain my pockets. And I don't like that.
I'm afraid I can't really agree on a good way to pay rent when I don't believe we should HAVE to pay rent in the first place. I am simply not bothering with bases as long as I have to work to keep them running. I do that enough in my life to want it in my games, too.
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Well to the OP suggestion I think it is sort of silly seeing that Atlas Park/Galaxy City and Port Oaks are so easy to get to.
Peregrine Island is connected to the War Zone, War Zone is connected to the Atlas, Atlas is connected to the Ouro, and Ouro is connected to the Cap au Diable, and Cap au Diable is connected to the Port Oaks, and Port Oaks is connected to the Mercy.
Well travel is too easy with bases, all the many hubs (RWZ, Midnighter's club, Ouro, Green/Yeller line Ferries), how easy it is to get a travel even pre-14.
When this happens I'd hope that either a tailor, wentworths/black market, university, trainer, Kalinda/Matthew Burke and the city rep all get teleporters or that they get something for the base so I don't have to travel as much because it is a pain to have to zone... and... move... y'know?
(Why don't they just take zoning and traveling away? Have enemies come to be to be killed while I'm in my base that is full of eveything I need, including a hami to raid solo, in fact if this doesn't happen I'll be heart broken, they should move hami to portal corp so I can kill him between runs.)
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Remove upkeep? Why? I have a decently large plot with plenty of stuff in it. My upkeep comes up to 500 prestige a month. I don't know about you, but I routinely make 500 prestige in ONE MISSION.
I just wish it were more convenient to pay it, especially villainside because I can never remember where the door is.
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Because it's a drain with no return. It's... Well, it's upkeep. One of THE selling points of this game for me is that you NEVER go backwards. No matter how slowly you may move and how long it may take you to advance, you are ALWAYS moving forward. Base rent is a clear, unambiguous move backwards. I don't just have to make a base and pay for the things inside, I have to keep paying to KEEP it, which is NOT a zero-sum equation if I don't have any income. If I one day decide to stop fighting enemies and doing missions, I will never lose access to my slots, powers or enhancements. They will always be there for me. However, base rent will slowly but surely drain my pockets. And I don't like that.
I'm afraid I can't really agree on a good way to pay rent when I don't believe we should HAVE to pay rent in the first place. I am simply not bothering with bases as long as I have to work to keep them running. I do that enough in my life to want it in my games, too.
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You say that like your base disappears when you don't pay your upkeep. It doesn't, the power just gets shut off.
Also, if you decide to stop fighting enemies or running missions, why do you need the base to be active in the first place? So you can get to the nothing you're doing faster?
I really don't see what the big deal about base upkeep is, especially now that they've reduced it. My SG's upkeep before was 20,000 prestige a month. That was a bit of a drain. Now it's 500. We have over 9 million prestige banked. If we stopped doing any content at all and never earned another point of prestige we have enough banked to power our base until the game shuts down. All this is without even trying and just playing the game normally.
I gotta admit, I cannot grasp why you are so dead set against base upkeep that you refuse to even have a base.
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What does upkeep do again? Whats its purpose?
My 30$ monthly fee is my rent.
If I must pay this bothersome upkeep it needs to be for something meaningful. something that rewards.
all my prestige is sunk into decorations yet to come.
I'm still in debt.
Ignoring anyone is a mistake. You might miss something viral to your cause.
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You say that like your base disappears when you don't pay your upkeep. It doesn't, the power just gets shut off.
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Well it does actually, it is, if I recall correctly, 8 weeks until your base is unable to be entered, 2 weeks after power shuts off.
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Also, if you decide to stop fighting enemies or running missions, why do you need the base to be active in the first place? So you can get to the nothing you're doing faster?
I really don't see what the big deal about base upkeep is, especially now that they've reduced it. My SG's upkeep before was 20,000 prestige a month. That was a bit of a drain. Now it's 500. We have over 9 million prestige banked. If we stopped doing any content at all and never earned another point of prestige we have enough banked to power our base until the game shuts down. All this is without even trying and just playing the game normally.
I gotta admit, I cannot grasp why you are so dead set against base upkeep that you refuse to even have a base.
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Same for me, except my Supergroup is just a solo alt SG and it has 14 mill stored. (36 to its name) Not sure why anyone complains about rent any more, or that travel to Atlas, Galaxy or Port Oaks. I mean, you do get a message saying you rent is due in two weeks, you do get a message saying you rent is due now, and you do get a message saying your rent was due.
If you're claiming you want to wait the full 6 weeks to get the most out of the prestige, that is your own fault, rent costs a max of what? 3600? What a joke, you should have to travel back to Port Oaks or Atlas if you think that is much of a save. I'll pay my rent everytime the message comes up, my power never goes out and I always have a base to go travel to Atlas to pay the rent.
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What does upkeep do again? Whats its purpose?
My 30$ monthly fee is my rent.
If I must pay this bothersome upkeep it needs to be for something meaningful. something that rewards.
all my prestige is sunk into decorations yet to come.
I'm still in debt.
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One word: Recruit
Just because you pay your sub doesn't mean everything in-game should come to you.
I pay my sub, I want purples, doesn't mean I'm going to get them for paying to access the servers, otherwise this game wouldn't be a game, it would be a more than stupid trade off of real money to get virtual money.
If you don't think it rewards than try going without paying the rent, your base will end up going away, then pay it when it does and, wow, you're being rewarded for paying your rent by being granted a base.
Yes, anything to make it less annoying.
Most of my rents are well under 1k and it is a pain to go pay it. I am about to simply park an alt at the base payment location. Anyone have any good idea for names for such a guy?
total kick to the gut
This is like having Ra's Al Ghul show up at your birthday party.
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Also, if you decide to stop fighting enemies or running missions, why do you need the base to be active in the first place? So you can get to the nothing you're doing faster?
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My costume doesn't disappear if I don't pay my rent to have it, and yet somehow I don't need to be doing missions and fighting enemies to enjoy that. Sure, I need to kill stuff if I want to add to it or change it, but that's PROGRESS. I don't lose pieces or access to costume slots if I don't pay. And that's the way I like it.
I don't appreciate upkeep in ANY form, and I've never, EVER seen a good reason as to why we needed it in the first place.
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My first thought when ma came out and I got he click here to claim tickets for your arc popped up was, we have this tech and its not used for base rent already. I know its not flowing in the same direction but seriously if I can click to claim that anywhere why can't I just click the rent is due message to pay the rent anywhere as well.
Duel me.
I will work on my sig pic more when I have time.
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I don't appreciate upkeep in ANY form, and I've never, EVER seen a good reason as to why we needed it in the first place.
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It is kind of like a subscription, you subscribe you enjoy the features of what you're subscribing to, you unsubscribe you loose all benefits until you feel like paying the subscription again.
Your costume is like this game boxset. You buy it, you keep it, though without subscribing to the game it is useless. Basically you buy your costume you have it forever, but if you're not going to fight crime, why have a costume?
Also works with the Xbox in some ways, you buy a game, it is fun, but it isn't as much fun as when you subscribe to xbox live.
Hope that helps.
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My first thought when ma came out and I got he click here to claim tickets for your arc popped up was, we have this tech and its not used for base rent already. I know its not flowing in the same direction but seriously if I can click to claim that anywhere why can't I just click the rent is due message to pay the rent anywhere as well.
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You can't do such a thing. Sure they have Architect Entertainment buildings in most the zones but you can't claim them anywhere. Sure put a City Hall, Freedom Phalanx or Arachnos tower in every zone, that make sense to you? Hope so because I don't get it...
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You can't do such a thing. Sure they have Architect Entertainment buildings in most the zones but you can't claim them anywhere.
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actually, yes you can.
Duel me.
I will work on my sig pic more when I have time.
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You can't do such a thing. Sure they have Architect Entertainment buildings in most the zones but you can't claim them anywhere.
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actually, yes you can.
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Actually, why don't you explain?
You put an arc up, someone plays it and votes on it. A message pops up and says you have been awarded xx tickets for someone voting on arcnamehere. click here to claim or visit any ae ticket vendor to get your tickets. You can click that and get your tickets anywhere.
How about you know wtf you are talking about before you try to act superior next time.
Duel me.
I will work on my sig pic more when I have time.
LOL lots of good points for both sides.
For me...My base population and the base itself is growing and progressing. My rent is due....300 prestige. But come on really.... its not hard to pay rent. Whether its annoying or not isnt the issue. The issue is people being so negative and complaining about anything and everything.
Always look on the bright side of life!
Oh and they should just put a damn door marker at the front door! 
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You can't do such a thing. Sure they have Architect Entertainment buildings in most the zones but you can't claim them anywhere.
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actually, yes you can.
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Actually, why don't you explain?
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My account has various arcs on it.
People play and rate. I get a message about it.
With any character, in any zone, I can go to any AE building and claim from one to all (or whatever limit they have on it) tickets with any character on that account, on either side.
Compare to rent, where you must go to one specific location to pay - and if it's at the point where your base is shut down, one of the most convenient ways of getting there to DO so (base teleporters) is unavailable to you.
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LOL lots of good points for both sides.
For me...My base population and the base itself is growing and progressing. My rent is due....300 prestige. But come on really.... its not hard to pay rent. Whether its annoying or not isnt the issue. The issue is people being so negative and complaining about anything and everything.
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Um, no, it's a quality of life suggestion. Sort of like the ones that got us, oh, being able to take the trains in Paragon anywhere they go instead of having to hop zone to zone in order, or having the stores marked on the maps, or having contacts pop up when they're available/unlocked.
Being annoying is *exactly* the issue. Given I'm the one who posted it, and know unquestionably what my motives in posting it were, I can say that and be 100% accurate in my description of the intent behind it. The idea was posted because having to take my character, hop over to another zone, then go from THERE to Oakes was very irritating.
I've also suggested, in the past, having it payable at any arbiter/fateweaver/hero corps/trainer, for instance... to make it less irritating.
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Peregrine Island is connected to the War Zone, War Zone is connected to the Atlas, Atlas is connected to the Ouro, and Ouro is connected to the Cap au Diable, and Cap au Diable is connected to the Port Oaks, and Port Oaks is connected to the Mercy.
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So you should have to zone how many times to perform what should be a simple action.
That sounds like something that should be fixed to me.
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Well travel is too easy with bases
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... which, if your base has the power shut off, is rather *unhelpful,* wouldn't you agree? That is, in fact, the very situation that prompted me to post the idea in the first place.
Imagine that.
As for the rest of your post? Completely irrelevant. I don't pay rent on my costume or have it go away. None of the other things you mention have a similar impact on the game - the trainers are in nearly every zone in the game.
Perhaps you should think through your "counterpoints" a bit more.
Yes, we've had other suggestions on how to pay base rent, having it pulled automatically, etc.
The biggest irritation from it (aside from "why are we bothering again?" it seems) is traveling to a specific location to do so (Atlas Park or Port Oakes.) This gets a touch more irritating if your base is powered down and you don't have a Pocket D teleporter (at least redside) or the marketeer teleporter.
So, to add to all the other suggestions on "how to make paying more convenient," how about an option at the bottom of the base entry list (either any base portal, the base teleporter power, etc.) to "Go to Pay Base Upkeep."
This teleports you and drops you right at the door to pay rent. (Or, barring that, at least to the correct zone's usual teleport drop site.) One click, in to pay, and you're up and running again.
(Now, personally, I like some of the other suggestions - pay at any arbiter/trainer/fateweaver/hero corps rep, pay automatically, let the leader have a "Pay now" button, etc. - but this is just one other option to chew over to at least make the travel slightly less irritating.)