so i compared the overall numbers on my mids for ss/sd vs the
ss/wp builds that where posted on the last few pages and the
ss/sd is a bit better with the way it was sloted and stuff..
plus i always thought fs was the ftw aoe cus it was the fastes
recharge and plus aao and rage with fury is kinda scary imo...
im just regular person so what whould i really know?
One by one bunny's steal my common sense for banana's on Ebay.
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damagewise its not.
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when an ss/sd is spamming 400 dmg foostomps every 7-10 seconds...
saw this in action when i was on my kin corruptor. after a fulcrum, the brute went on to two shot several spawns as fast as we could move to them.
If the Brute had Fulcrum Shift on him, then it wouldn't matter his secondary since his damage is most likely capped.
Well I fight boss spawns... So for me footstomp out damages lightning rod.
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Well I fight boss spawns... So for me footstomp out damages lightning rod.
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I didn't say primary, I said secondary. If the brute is running around with +750% damage, then who cares if his secondary gives him more +damage (shields).
A SS/SD Brute at the damage cap will Foot Stomp for the same amount as a SS/WP at the damage cap (not including any damage procs).
That was the only point I was making, it's silly but still my point. Alot of farming brutes will look for a Kin to help speed things up, so I think it's a semi-valid point.
I'm not much of a farmer anymore since my ingame time is much much less now-a-days but I always preferred my SS/WP Brute with Dark Oblit for farming. Very sturdy, moderately fast and always fun.
I have yet to try anything with /shields though.
I was just saying... Wasn't quoting you.
You can't really go wrong with footstomp. It's either the best, or second best, by just about anyone's definition, for brute AoE goodness. I like to frankenslot it to get the max amount of damage, recharge and endurance possible (depending on the whims of the market, it's harder to put something decent together redside), then toss in a force feedback +recharge in the sixth slot.
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I was just saying... Wasn't quoting you.
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My bad. Thought you replied to me. :/
OK im about the most experienced player in the game. I have farming brutes of all types alll massivly IOed. ss/fire ss/wp ss/inv elec/stone and elec/ea for surviability go ss/wp or ss/inv for kickass aoe go ss/fire nuff said.
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OK im about the most experienced player in the game.
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That's extremely subjective.
I'm about the most inexperienced player in the game and I say go elec/shield.
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i wouldnt go with any of those secondaries.
if you want to mostly aoe, that means some herding. and to herd, you gotta survive
while the secondaries you listed can survive most mobs - they all have a group or two that just eat through them.
personally if i were to make another herding brute it would be an /sr brute. why? defense debuffs in the form of various lethal attacks are EXTREMELY common in this game.
sadly none of the brute primaries are very good for aoe. it's too bad we dont have spines.
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Grrr I had a much longer post here but am refraining myself ... JupiterMoon you dispense awful advice in almost every post I read of yours and preach it as truth .... stop it ... stop it right now 
To the OP: I would go with what Smurphy said and roll up a SS/Fire ... I have seen a few good ones in action and they are just sick.
Peace,
Amrat
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After I/O'ing out my SS/SD, I'm finding him to be an AoE death machine. Once I got alot of recharge slotted, I found foot stomp to be a thing of beauty. Shield Charge was just the cherry on top of the fudge on top of the icing on top of the cake.
There are three types of people in this world: Those who can count and those who can't.
Elec/ is not even close to the best farming setup. I have an Elec/Elec with 85% global recharge, and my SS with minimal bonuses outpaces it. LR is not up enough, overkills minions by too much, still has broken procs and caps too low to match. Footstomp is the second best AoE in the game behind PSW, which is a standard LR is way off of.
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Elec/ is not even close to the best farming setup. I have an Elec/Elec with 85% global recharge, and my SS with minimal bonuses outpaces it. LR is not up enough, overkills minions by too much, still has broken procs and caps too low to match. Footstomp is the second best AoE in the game behind PSW, which is a standard LR is way off of.
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the problem with your elec/ is its secondary which is really poor synergy in spite of the name, its got terrible survivability being pure resistence, if you go aid self you are locked into the 4.33 second animation instead of punching faces and if you dont go aid self good luck getting to the agro cap and living. elec/sheild is a whole other ballgame.
Never get too "excited" over what is perceived to be "the best", ET was the best once, PSW is more than likely going to change to the blaster version with the upcoming dominator changes and Castle isnt happy with rage.
For farming, /Elec is a great secondary; end replenishment and a damage aura are perfect for farming with a brute.
Can shield defense farm bosses? I'm murdering them with my ss/stone armor.
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Can shield defense farm bosses? I'm murdering them with my ss/stone armor.
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If softcapped.
It excells at minions/lts though.
Ugh, I'm assuming SS out performs Fire Melee in dmg then 
. I'm not looking for control just Dmg. My first melee toon ever is Elec/Elec and while I love him...Elec/ disappoints me when it comes down to gettin' down dirty dmg lol.
Don't get me wrong Elec/ by itself has some amazing attacks...but it feeeeeelllsss soooo slooowwwww lol.
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Ugh, I'm assuming SS out performs Fire Melee in dmg then . I'm not looking for control just Dmg. My first melee toon ever is Elec/Elec and while I love him...Elec/ disappoints me when it comes down to gettin' down dirty dmg lol.
Don't get me wrong Elec/ by itself has some amazing attacks...but it feeeeeelllsss soooo slooowwwww lol.
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Fire melee does greater single target damage than SS. But the greater radius on SS's footstomp, means that it tends to hit twice as many, with twice as much consistency, than fire sword circle. Even though the radius doesn't seem that much greater.
Quick question for those of you suggesting SS/Fire - does that require the Fences/Burn combo? I have a 50 SS/Fire I shelved because I realized I hate doing that... not a big fan of the Rage crash either, but he wasn't IOed out so it tended to hit me pretty hard. I'm curious as to what everyone else thinks of HelinCarnate's SS/WP build - looks like more fun to me, but how do they compare damage wise?
so far you have said your only concern is dmg.
the immob+burn combo with 75 fury, double stacked rage and fiery embrace going is over 1000 dmg to everything it's hitting. that's as much dmg as seismic smash on a target not resistant to smashing after a max target fulcrum shift and 80 fury.
IF pure dmg is what you're after, immob+burn+footstomp=done, next spawn.
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i wouldnt go with any of those secondaries.
if you want to mostly aoe, that means some herding. and to herd, you gotta survive
while the secondaries you listed can survive most mobs - they all have a group or two that just eat through them.
personally if i were to make another herding brute it would be an /sr brute. why? defense debuffs in the form of various lethal attacks are EXTREMELY common in this game.
sadly none of the brute primaries are very good for aoe. it's too bad we dont have spines.
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Grrr I had a much longer post here but am refraining myself ... JupiterMoon you dispense awful advice in almost every post I read of yours and preach it as truth .... stop it ... stop it right now
To the OP: I would go with what Smurphy said and roll up a SS/Fire ... I have seen a few good ones in action and they are just sick.
Peace,
Amrat
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i do not give bad advice. i give real world advice.
i've been on teams with an ss/fire who just melted to the jojo map. he couldnt take the hit of the constant dual-blade wielding dudes. most of the ss/fire farmers i meet do the map spwans where there are custom enemies that do ONLY FIRE DMG.
in fact most brute builds designed for pure farming cant survive the JoJo map at all. if you need the arc id i can give it to you. it takes a pretty tough brute to survive the spawns without added CC help as they arent easily stunned from things like fault and stack multiple -7.5% defense debuffs being dual bladers.
best farming brutes for this map have been ss/shield and ss/sr from my personal experience.
and i'm still farming 70,000 infamy per minute on my thugs/traps on a map set for three people. so clearly i have no idea what i'm talking about
SS/SD
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yep i've seen ss/sd in successful practice doing the JoJo map. he was a beast.
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damagewise its not.
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Well just comparing the 2 attacks it's not, but the DPS of FS will be better than LR.
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you dont need any higher DPS when LR and SC will kill your whole agro cap at once, by the time you get the next 16 ready to go they are recharged again