Silver Ticket Rolls? Any Reason to do them?
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baron_inferno,
Posted on: 2009-05-14 10:50 in The Market and Inventions
At low levels the Silver roll is 7.5 times the cost of a bronze, at higher levels it is 8 times the cost.
On average Im getting a rare more often about every 7-8 rolls (i'd have to double check the exact number), and that rare is the generall more valuable Pool A rather than a cheaper Pool B.
100% chance of a Pool A about as often, with extra uncommons thrown in.
I see no reason to roll silver, except for inventory management.
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From my 323 rolls on live I have 55 rares. Thats a rare in every 5.9 rolls, so an even better ratio than I expected.
@Catwhoorg "Rule of Three - Finale" Arc# 1984
@Mr Falkland Islands"A Nation Goes Rogue" Arc# 2369 "Toasters and Pop Tarts" Arc#116617
I'm split on this. There were times when I got nothing worthwhile after several silver rolls but then times like last night came along. I ran 3 AE mishes last night (at about 1500 tickets each). After each run I do 2 silver rolls and then 3-4 bronze rolls with leftover tickets. From the 6 silver rolls I got LOTG Def, LOTG Def/End, LOTG Def/Rec, Obliteration Acc/Dam, Touch of Nictus something and a scrub recipe. From the 10 or so bronze rolls, the only decent recipes I got were Crushing Impact and Makos Bite. Actually now that I think about it, the night before I ran about 5 or 6 AE mishes and did the same roll combination. I walked away with 4 Obliterations, a LOTG something, and like 2 Positrons Blast recipes. I just don't remember which ones I got from silver rolls and which ones I got from bronze rolls.
6 silver rolls is the same number of tickets as 45 - 48 bronze rolls of comparable level, thats a much higher average sale price required to be profitable.
@Catwhoorg "Rule of Three - Finale" Arc# 1984
@Mr Falkland Islands"A Nation Goes Rogue" Arc# 2369 "Toasters and Pop Tarts" Arc#116617
I have had good fortune across the board, but with Pool A rares coming off of seemingly historic lows and Pool Bs still being cheap, I've rolled Bronze these days.
As a.) Pool A rares continue to become rare again, and if b.) one is able to "print tickets" sort of speaking...then glory could return to the Silver Class once again. A lot of desired procs, as well as Acc/Dam and Dam/End from popular sets are in there.
(only Pool A rares shown at this time)
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Kitteh,
I noticed I got a Regenerative Tissue: Endurance/Recharge from a bronze roll.
It was listed as Pool B, but is obviously from Pool A, not that it affects the final table, once we get the Pool Bs in there.
I went and added that single IO for now.
@Catwhoorg "Rule of Three - Finale" Arc# 1984
@Mr Falkland Islands"A Nation Goes Rogue" Arc# 2369 "Toasters and Pop Tarts" Arc#116617
I got a devastation quad..... I found that very odd.
Dev Quad is Pool A rare, and can be expected from Bronze (or Silver) Rolls.
@Catwhoorg "Rule of Three - Finale" Arc# 1984
@Mr Falkland Islands"A Nation Goes Rogue" Arc# 2369 "Toasters and Pop Tarts" Arc#116617
So far I'm seeing little reason to do Silver rolls .. I guess I'll have to use up some playtime tonight, and actually read. Thanks for the input. If anyone else wants to chime in, please do.
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Kitteh,
I noticed I got a Regenerative Tissue: Endurance/Recharge from a bronze roll.
It was listed as Pool B, but is obviously from Pool A, not that it affects the final table, once we get the Pool Bs in there.
I went and added that single IO for now.
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Very cool, thanks!
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In theory if nobody does silver ticket rolls, volume will go down until they're worth something (as happened with uncommon salvage.) In practice it is very possible that the number of "let's see what happens if I do this" rolls, plus people playing real missions, will provide a surplus ANYWAY.
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Pool B recipes are so common that I can't imagine them ever being very profitable. Plenty of people run real missions so there's always going to be a supply of these recipes... at most, they'll go up to significantly above vendor price (but still pretty cheap) and more folks will stop vendoring or deleting them and put them up for sale.
Note that I consider tens of thousands cheap, but it's well above vendor price. Unless a vast majority of people start running only MA missions I can't see the Pool Bs hitting the six figure mark consistently.
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A lot of desired procs, as well as Acc/Dam and Dam/End from popular sets are in there.
(only Pool A rares shown at this time)
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Part of my problem is that I can't go to "there" from work, and I don't think to do it at Home.
I'll try to go read up on what's available later, I guess. I just hate to use up what little playtime I have reading. :-0
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From what I have rolled thus far. I tend to make more selling the recipes I get off of one silver recipe to one bronze. An individual silver recipe can sell more than most bronzes.
Personally I don't think you can go wrong rolling silver. But with the ticket cap. I imagine the non-farmers will spend their tickets more ecomonically now. Either buy low or save up for a gold. Recently I rollled a lvl 50 Positron's Blast: Acc/Dam, lvl 50 Blessing of the Zepher: Run, Jump, Fly, Range, and an Obliteration (forget which), I made over 25 mil inf. on the BM. There's value in the silver rolls no doubt, but I'd have to go over the whole list. Wiki's down right now.
But I'd agree (without doing some uber math I couldn't even try to calculate...) rolling bronze is more efficent over the course of many rolls. I'd imagine the "inf. gained/merits spent" ratio is better for bronze than silver, if you're playing the market that is...
Particular recipes I'm looking for are scarce on BM right now, that's why I'm rolling silver.
One silver to one bronze, yes the silver will sell for more on average
One silver to 8 bronze (same number of tickets), is a much different proposition.
@Catwhoorg "Rule of Three - Finale" Arc# 1984
@Mr Falkland Islands"A Nation Goes Rogue" Arc# 2369 "Toasters and Pop Tarts" Arc#116617
That's odd... wiki has a break down of what the silver rolls are, but not bronze or gold. That's from clicking the links directly from the Ticket page they have for AE. I wonder why silver is listed, but not the more commonly used bronze, or even gold?
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That's odd... wiki has a break down of what the silver rolls are, but not bronze or gold. That's from clicking the links directly from the Ticket page they have for AE. I wonder why silver is listed, but not the more commonly used bronze, or even gold?
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Someone hasn't gotten around to making/copying the tables?
That's "what", not "why". It just seems odd to me that whomever did the cut and paste for the silver didn't do it for the bronze or gold instead.
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That's "what", not "why". It just seems odd to me that whomever did the cut and paste for the silver didn't do it for the bronze or gold instead.
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The beautiful aspect of wikification is that you see something that you want or is missing, you can jump right in and do it yourself. I learned on the fly by using the sandbox and the "view-your-edits-before-you-publish" functionality.
The Silver class has overlap with the Bronze class, so I did Silver first....specifically, the Pool A rares. Since they've been historically in demand, I decided to put them in a graphical table so folks could have an idea in which range they should roll. Also, I suspected that the general population was probably a bit ignorant about the contents of the Pool A rare pool (as their high values cause them to be confused sometimes with the former Pool C), so a graphical representation would be helpful.
Whether related to tickets or not, I decided that the Pool B's weren't worth putting in a table b/c of their market abundance and low value...but I don't "speak for" the wiki, so anyone that thinks a Pool B table should be there should drop a quick note to the admin under "discussion" as a heads up and use the existing format for uniformity.
The Pool A uncommons pool (related to the Bronze class) was a bit much volume-wise for the time that I had allocated to the wiki...which doesn't mean that someone shouldn't volunteer to pick this up as mentioned above. 
The Gold class table = Random Rare Recipe table and that link has been provided. I've made the verbiage clearer that the tables are equivalent and removed the (dead) Gold Class table link all together. I see no reason to re-post the table only to give it a different name. Additionally, the admin would probably remove the duplicate content.
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Tea,
the 'bronze table' would be about 470 recipes long, which is probably beyond the scope of usefulness.
It is a lot of work, and I for one have had other demands on my time, in RL and when I do have some 'game project' time.
@Catwhoorg "Rule of Three - Finale" Arc# 1984
@Mr Falkland Islands"A Nation Goes Rogue" Arc# 2369 "Toasters and Pop Tarts" Arc#116617
Ok, I didn't realize that there were anywhere near that many bronzes to roll on. And I didn't know the gold rolls info was in wiki under a different name. I wasn't trying to be critical of anyone for not doing unpaid wiki work, I'm very glad that you guys who do, do what you do. It was just something of a puzzler for me. Thanks for clearing it up!
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Tea,
the 'bronze table' would be about 470 recipes long, which is probably beyond the scope of usefulness.
It is a lot of work, and I for one have had other demands on my time, in RL and when I do have some 'game project' time.
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Having said that, the bronze table is about half done now, using color to illustrate uncommon/rare, I'm actually zipping through it much faster than I feared. Helps to cut paste and tweak, and as the sets get longer at the higher levels, the cut/paste gets more efficient.
http://wiki.cohtitan.com/wiki/Bronze_Class_Recipe_Roll
@Catwhoorg "Rule of Three - Finale" Arc# 1984
@Mr Falkland Islands"A Nation Goes Rogue" Arc# 2369 "Toasters and Pop Tarts" Arc#116617
You do awesome work Cat. I've wanted a pool A/bronze list for forever. I can't wait for it to be finished.
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Particular recipes I'm looking for are scarce on BM right now, that's why I'm rolling silver.
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Agreed. (But I'm a good guy though - WW not BM)
Edit: However, I am considering the Bronze or Gold classes now ... I think I'll go gold next since I am actually keeping/using some of the recipes I roll for my toon.
Is there any reason to make Silver Ticket Rolls? Besides "There's no way I can hold all these recipes and don't feel like running back and forth."
I can't hit any of the sites that have the data from here (Yes yes, I know, Get Back To Work), but I was just curious as to what might be in there that is "desireable" to the masses.
I know that Bronze rolls have some interesting Gems, rare but useful (or profitable). Are there any such items in the Silver Rolls? Are your chances to get them better, worse, the same? Are Silver rolls just a way to get more tickets out of our hands?
Discuss. There will be an exam at the end.
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