Ms. Valentino - Lil' She-Devil with a Sword

Amazingly quick job -- and one of my own favourite costume designs in COH. So simple and just so cute...wouldn't you like going to hell with her?

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hawt

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Very very nice.

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"City of Heroes. April 27, 2004 - August 31, 2012. Obliterated not with a weapon of mass destruction, not by an all-powerful supervillain... but by a cold-hearted and cowardly corporate suck-up."

Two Otter thumbs up! I like the costume and the art styles alot. They work well together.

=^_^=

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I am... to say the least, unimpressed.... I've been looking through your gallery thinking, "Hey I've seen this stuff before..."

And lo and behold:

Your "artwork": http://ladyentropy.deviantart.com/ar...-Final-8028005

The Original: http://www.denbeauvais.com/Content/G...1280x1024).jpg


Your "artwork":
http://ladyentropy.deviantart.com/ar...piress-3584257

Adam Hughe's Original:
http://www.linesandcolors.com/images...hughes_450.jpg


Please stick to creating original artwork. Thanks.

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I am... to say the least, unimpressed.... I've been looking through your gallery thinking, "Hey I've seen this stuff before..."

And lo and behold:

Your "artwork": http://ladyentropy.deviantart.com/ar...-Final-8028005

The Original: http://www.denbeauvais.com/Content/G...1280x1024).jpg

Please stick to creating original artwork. Thanks.

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lol

Oh snap

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... nevermind.

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"City of Heroes. April 27, 2004 - August 31, 2012. Obliterated not with a weapon of mass destruction, not by an all-powerful supervillain... but by a cold-hearted and cowardly corporate suck-up."

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I am... to say the least, unimpressed.... I've been looking through your gallery thinking, "Hey I've seen this stuff before..."

And lo and behold:

Your "artwork": http://ladyentropy.deviantart.com/ar...-Final-8028005

The Original: http://www.denbeauvais.com/Content/G...1280x1024).jpg


Your "artwork":
http://ladyentropy.deviantart.com/ar...piress-3584257

Adam Hughe's Original:
http://www.linesandcolors.com/images...hughes_450.jpg


Please stick to creating original artwork. Thanks.

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Ah, yes, my pecadilloes of youth when I was trying to learn how to do draw, and I tried to emulate the pieces I found beautiful. Of course, since then I realized that if I really want to evolve, I need to try and do original pieces.

I'm glad to say that is what has happened (those pieces are old and the only ones that use other artists as referrences) and since then I have gone fully original.

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Please stick to creating original artwork. Thanks.

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Oh, you mean like Roy Lichtenstein did?

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The question is, why keep stolen work on your gallery if you've learned to be original? You're featuring stolen work on your front page.

As for Roy Lichenstein, thad made the rounds about swiping a year or so ago. I do not agree with Roy's work either.

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In Anwyeth's defence, it isn't stolen. It is her interpertation on the other work. Most pop art Lichenstein and Warhol (Campbell's soup can) in particular, is derived from someone else's ideas.

I notice that you are not complaining about Juggertha's Handbook series.

While the poses and themes are identical, the artwork is Anwyeth's own.

I close with the following quote:
"Originality is the fine art of remembering what you hear but forgetting where you heard it."
- Laurence J. Peter, US educator & writer (1919 - 1988)

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Follow up to that:

Every young artist has to start somewhere - often, that somewhere is copying the styles and images of various other artists that they enjoy the art of in the first place. Not all artists do this, and not all of those that do even realize this fact.

Consider this: Every art class, every 'how to draw' book... Is taught and written from the viewpoint of another artist. You are given examples of how to produce things in a similar style (and in the case of art classes, are usually graded based on the viewpoint of the instructor, and thus colored by what they consider 'art').

Using other people's art as an inspiration point (and creating visually similar works) while searching for your own, particular style isn't something I would consider a bad thing. And Anwyeth's sort of admitted the fact she'd done it. Honesty about this sort of thing, I value only slightly under not doing it in the first place. After all, admitting you did something wrong, and endeavoring to strive towards not doing it is the best we can ask of anyone.

Parting thought: Those that can do, do. Those that can't... critique.

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Every young artist must learn from somewhere, that is correct.

Yuri, I am an artist.

What how to books do, and what this artist did, are two separate worlds.

How to books are produced with the notion that people will and are going to use them to learn how to draw, and copy the artwork within. The rights managed for these books are different from original pieces of work.

Copying Adam Hughes isn't a how to book. It's stealing.

Copying the Den's art is also stealing. Neither of these artists posted their work so that someone else could copy it, and then post it in a gallery, while offering commissions to the public based off their "portfolio" which holds stolen work.

She is offering commissions. She is supposedly making profit off showing these pieces around. Therefore, she is directly infringing on the copyrights of the two original artists.

I have absolutely no problem with folks learning about how other artists draw by copying their work for their own reference. The difference is that Anwyeth is/was claiming it as her own.

I am not critiquing. I am not about to. I am simply citing theft where I see it, and have reported it as I would anyone.

As to Juggy's series, I have no idea A. why you're bringing it up and B. what the parallel is...

Anyweth needs to remove the older works that are in question (or Devianart will) and move on. That's all.

I have no witty parting thoughts or quotes, I don't find them necessary to bolster my post.

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Tell you what, Sayterra.

Find undeniable proof that her most recent work is copied from someone else.

Or her last few commission pieces, for that matter.

You can rant and rave all you want over what someone has done in the past, but find me examples that it's still happening, and I might be inclined to take your words with more weight then that of hot air.

Savvy?

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I am not speaking about her recent work.

I am citing the works that I found, as I normally peruse galleries when I see new art, as I like finding new artists. While looking through her gallery, I saw that certain things weren't matching up.

Why were newer pieces lacking the anatomy she had in older pieces, I wondered. And that's when it hit me that I'd seen the work before.

If you missed it in the beginning, you can look back on the first page and see the two pieces I pointed out.

If Anyweth has "moved on" as a lot of artists DO, then she needs to take the offending pieces out of her gallery because they don't hold any baring to what she is offering as a commissioned artist.

So before you go off defending her, take a look at the original intentions of the post:

1. Please stick to creating original artwork

2. Remove the offending pieces.

While I'm sure I will come back to some other witty, snarky comment from you in the morning, this is all I'm posting on the matter. Deviantart will remove the pieces, and if they find that more of her gallery is stolen, they may suspend and/or ban her. I would rather that she actually take the pieces down and move on than the latter.

Gnite.

(insert witty quote here)

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I suppose the question I have foremost in my mind, at this point, is this:

Why didn't you contact her privately to converse on the matter in a mature, adult fashion? Did it just not occur to you that doing so publically not only hurts her, but damages you as well? If you're that concerned about the matter that you don't want her DevArt account suspended or banned, what purpose do your posts in this thread achieve?

I'm asking these questions seriously, because I just can't find any justification for this kind of action or attitude. You can roll your eyes and dismiss it as 'witty' whathaveyou, I suppose, but do please humor me so that I can better understand what motivation is.

Or continue to be rude yourself. C'est la vie, nes pas?

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I don't see why she should take down the offending pieces. I do DEFINITELY think she should cite the source material, however, instead of claiming it all as her own original work. There's no shame in drawing something that's been drawn before - unless it's done in a manner that pretends you were the first one to draw it. And, honestly, it seems a little coincidental that "only those two and nothing else I swear" that were "found out" were taken from other material. Ok. Well, whatever.

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Parting thought: Those that can do, do. Those that can't... critique.

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Oh. So should those that "can do" not critique?

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Nah.

It's not like you need a critiquing license, after all.

...Or I'm guilty of so, so many charges.

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As to Juggy's series, I have no idea A. why you're bringing it up and B. what the parallel is...

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A later edition Marvel Handbook page.
Another newer example.
An older Marvel handbook page.
Go take a look at Juggertha's deviant page.

See something familiar?

The reason I bring it up is that you seem to have a double standard, and I felt like pointing out that your standards go well beyond what I feel is reasonable.

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Anyweth needs to remove the older works that are in question (or Devianart will) and move on. That's all.

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Are you the copyright holder? Or are you just butting your nose in where it doesn't belong?

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I have no witty parting thoughts or quotes, I don't find them necessary to bolster my post.

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Apparently you didn't actually read or understand the comment, or you just want to show how much of a <self censored> you can be. I'm not sure which.

Edit:
My point is that nobody's artwork, even yours, is original. This is why I actually despise copyright, even though I have to live with it and will more than likely have to use it.

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Is anyone else struck by how much better the originals are than Lichtenstein's pieces?

Frame by frame the originals come off much better and more dynamic.

Maybe it's just me.

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I think we've derailed Anyweth's thread enough.

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Well, if you say so.

(Goes to cancel the train made of candy and crewed by penguins.)

I always get my best ideas at the last minute!

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Feel free to continue without me, I'm going to bed now before I post something somewhere on these forums that will get me banned .

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Why didn't you contact her privately to converse on the matter in a mature, adult fashion? Did it just not occur to you that doing so publically not only hurts her, but damages you as well? If you're that concerned about the matter that you don't want her DevArt account suspended or banned, what purpose do your posts in this thread achieve?

I'm asking these questions seriously, because I just can't find any justification for this kind of action or attitude. You can roll your eyes and dismiss it as 'witty' whathaveyou, I suppose, but do please humor me so that I can better understand what motivation is.

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Posting about it openly is the norm for all of the graphics forums I follow. This is to alert other artists that someone may be plagiarizing their work and is part of how the online art community polices itself. I think the only reason it may seem strange to people here is that this forum is for a video game and the majority of posters are not artists themselves.

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www.battlewraith.deviantart.com

I don't wholly think the phenomenon can be considered just an issue with artists. From what I can tell, it's a psychological thing that tends to crop up more often in fields where property is more intellectual or artistic then it is anything else. Saying I shouldn't get it because I'm not an artist seems rather silly, to me, for a variety of reasons that are probably best left out for now (unless you'd prefer me to go over them in the spirit of discussion - preferably someplace else, as the derail just keeps going).

However, what really bothers me about it is that it breaks what I feel is a good, solid communication structure for these matters. The first thing you should always do is talk to the person, privately, about the problem in a calm, mature fashion. Maybe they've grown out of a phase, or it was just a learning device. You don't know until you ask. If it's obviously the person in question just being a punk, then it's fine to blow the horn, so to speak.

This? Comes off to me more as an infantile gesture to bork someone's reputation for reasons I don't really understand, nor do I care to. While I will admit, Sayterra did have a point, Anwyeth admitted to using it as a learning device. The images in question are over four years old, and it's clear that she's found her own artistic style (which Sayterra seems to understand as well). If this had been handled privately first, it wouldn't have come off quite so hateful (and, indeed, that's what I'm getting via the tone of the posts done).

Just because 'it's the norm' is not a valid excuse for being a complete jerkwad about something that could have been handled maturely.

(Disclaimer: If I come off sounding a little mean in this post, I apologize. I'm tired as all buggery, and it's hard to stay objective in this state.)

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