I like it a lot better now at 53. The whole thing is faster/better. I've done this thing with a bunch of different players on different teams, and the best team can do it without any temps, and not a lot of issues. The worst teams don't seem to need too many temps now either, which is a big improvement.
8 lvl 50's can do this thing now, and have a tough fight. 8 great players will blow it out of the water, and 8 bad players still probably can't complete it.
I think thats about right. I still plan to brawl hami for my ho's when i get the opportunity.
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And on the right team, you can easily just Brawl Statesman and walk out with a SHOe. 
Dominators don't need mitigation from their secondaries. Even if they did, there's ice (slows), psi (-recharge), and fire and elec (death).
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you don't need shivans or nukes
you do need
1-2 kins
1-2 rads
1-2 therms
1 /SA brute
anything else is gravy ( /cold, /sonic corrs; others like poison MM)
"Sometimes you have to roll the Hard Six." -- Adama
Teabagging Ms. Liberty - http://kk-comics.com/allmmproject/rsf21.jpg
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seriously, we need harder task forces, not easier ones! game on!
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You want harder? Do it without twinking your team. No Warburg weapons, no Shivans and no more than 4 corruptors. Problem solved.
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seriously, we need harder task forces, not easier ones! game on!
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You want harder? Do it without twinking your team. No Warburg weapons, no Shivans and no more than 4 corruptors. Problem solved.
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well now that u mention it, we only use 3 corruptors. 1 thermal, 1 kin, 1 rad. then we kinda mix it up with different people from there. sometimes doms, sometimes 2 stalkers, we might even invite a stone along so he can get the badge if he pays enuff money to us. i will report back later this week with the list of names that we use to beat it on relentless.
And no Warburg weapons or Shivans?
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I jsut want more strike forces for villains. Don't care if it's an RSF level one or not, jsut something else.
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THIS is the key point here. I would LOVE more SF's Villain side.
Heroes get one at level 10 (I believe) but we have to wait for 15.
I don't count the respec as a SF because its really just like the cape mission except you HAVE to lock into a team. No big there.
Villains have a total of 4 strike forces 
We need more... a lot more.
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Actually we have 5, Cap SF, Sharkhead SF, St Martial SF, LRSF, and Silver Mantis SG SF
Freedom - Brute Squad
Irken Zim 50 Bots/FF MM
Rei-Ginsei 50 Nrg/Nrg Brute
Toturi Naseru 50 Rad/Rad Corr
Setsuna 50 Fire/Dark Corr
Captain Generic 50 Elec/Nrg Blast
Mr. Proc Happy 50 Earth/Storm Troller
Sven the Red 50 Ice/BA Tank
Setsuna the Idol 50 Psi/Ment Blast
ok, we did it on relentless in 1 hour and 28 minutes. here was the team we used.
water hazzard 50 fire/thermal
s p i n e 50 spines/energy aura stalker
dark royal 50 bots/dark miasma mm
omega scourge 50 bots/ff mm
threnody 50 dark/dark brute
gobble de goop 50 rad/kin
of the earth 50 stone/stone brute
nakita' 50 rad/rad
i forgot to mention.... as usual, the last mish was completed in less than 1 minute.
It's really not impressive. You complained that you wanted a challenge. If you want a challenge that last battle should not last less than a minute. Don't use any of the Warburg weapons or Shivans with that group and you'll most likely see team wipes and way more than a minute. If you can succeed that way, then you have a challenge.
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you don't need shivans or nukes
you do need
1-2 kins
1-2 rads
1-2 therms
1 /SA brute
anything else is gravy ( /cold, /sonic corrs; others like poison MM)
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Just keep on perpetrating the ignorance. 
If you REALLY think you NEED those things, I don't know what to tell you. You far from NEED a stoner anymore, in fact you never NEEDED a stoner. You sure don't NEED a thermal, never did. A case can be made for needing a /kin and a /rad, that's about it. And with this nerfage you might not even NEED them anymore nearly as much as you used to.
The only thing any of us NEED is OXYGEN!!! (and a couple of other things too)
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you don't need shivans or nukes
you do need
1-2 kins
1-2 rads
1-2 therms
1 /SA brute
anything else is gravy ( /cold, /sonic corrs; others like poison MM)
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Just keep on perpetrating the ignorance.
If you REALLY think you NEED those things, I don't know what to tell you. You far from NEED a stoner anymore, in fact you never NEEDED a stoner. You sure don't NEED a thermal, never did. A case can be made for needing a /kin and a /rad, that's about it. And with this nerfage you might not even NEED them anymore nearly as much as you used to.
The only thing any of us NEED is OXYGEN!!! (and a couple of other things too)
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yep.
I think by need they mean to complete it in a reasonable time frame. The longer the time frame the better the chance of people dropping out of the SF.
If something is going to take 4 hours without something or 1 hour with something, to me, that makes it a need.
well... that's true to a certain extent, but my SG was doing it in an hour with NO stone brute. My main bone of contention is with /stone and /thermals being so highly valued on these forums. Sure, they're nice, but hardly NEEDED... Invulns and to some extent /energy can easily take the place of a stoner and still not cause more time needed for the RSF. However, with no rad or kin you could also still do it in a reasonable timeframe if you have other builds, just maybe not as super fast. A team with a poison MM and a thermal and a sonic corruptor would probably only suffer a from a 15 minute difference nowadays.. and that's a maybe, now that the heroes are only 53. Heck, throw in a couple of /colds and you wouldn't even miss the end buff from a /kin
The point here is that people need to stop thinking that you NEED a certain team makeup for the RSF. Moreso now than ever before you can have a varied team makeup.
If the RSF isn't hard enough for you, go do some team pvp on test.
PvE is meant for everyone, not just the elite. The RSF should have roughly the same level of effort as hami. Considering that people put thier stuff on auto for hami, and go afk, or brawl him and go afk, the RSF shouldnt be any harder or time consuming.
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you don't need shivans or nukes
you do need
1-2 kins
1-2 rads
1-2 therms
1 /SA brute
anything else is gravy ( /cold, /sonic corrs; others like poison MM)
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Just keep on perpetrating the ignorance.
If you REALLY think you NEED those things, I don't know what to tell you. You far from NEED a stoner anymore, in fact you never NEEDED a stoner. You sure don't NEED a thermal, never did. A case can be made for needing a /kin and a /rad, that's about it. And with this nerfage you might not even NEED them anymore nearly as much as you used to.
The only thing any of us NEED is OXYGEN!!! (and a couple of other things too)
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It's my honest opinion that a team that has no resistance debuff in its power sets needs nukes. Period. The combined average damage output of 8 villains is simply less than Statesman's ability to regenerate. Others are welcome to disagree, but I'd be really impressed if a team of 8 doms were able to complete this with no temp powers.
But yes, sticking strictly to these formulaic team builds is not required. A good /dark, /poison, or even (gasp) /traps can bring pretty good debuffs to the table and make the last encounter doable.
- Protea
And for a while things were cold,
They were scared down in their holes
The forest that once was green
Was colored black by those killing machines
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If the RSF isn't hard enough for you, go do some team pvp on test.
PvE is meant for everyone, not just the elite. The RSF should have roughly the same level of effort as hami. Considering that people put thier stuff on auto for hami, and go afk, or brawl him and go afk, the RSF shouldnt be any harder or time consuming.
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Eh, I disagree there. Of course, there's the pvp level of balance, but I don't care too much there.
And, well, Heros are getting the Statesman TF soonish to 'compete'.
Now, just need a giant space jelly bean to unleash upon for some good-old fashion 200+ person farm fests...
Hmm, on second thought, I hope Hamidon gets changed after the Statesman TF comes out. Something not so much a raid encounter 
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Let's Dance!
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Hmm, on second thought, I hope Hamidon gets changed after the Statesman TF comes out. Something not so much a raid encounter .
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I hope it doesn't. I hope that they simply let villains into The Hive to team up with heroes to defeat him. My Dominator would be a valuable member of that team, rather than life support for a Shivan in the LRSF final mission.
Dominators don't need mitigation from their secondaries. Even if they did, there's ice (slows), psi (-recharge), and fire and elec (death).
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Hmm, on second thought, I hope Hamidon gets changed after the Statesman TF comes out. Something not so much a raid encounter .
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I hope it doesn't. I hope that they simply let villains into The Hive to team up with heroes to defeat him. My Dominator would be a valuable member of that team, rather than life support for a Shivan in the LRSF final mission.
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Well, I suspect that if the Statesman TF drops HOs, Hamidon raids will dry up on their own. Hamidon raids are pretty boring for many people (myself included) and with something else to draw the crowds away it may not be feasible to get the requisite numbers.
- Protea
And for a while things were cold,
They were scared down in their holes
The forest that once was green
Was colored black by those killing machines
LOL, oh MY BUHHDA!!! This is so funny!! I read almost all the posts before I put a reply so I don't look like an idiot who talks knowing only half the story.....but i think i got it. Anyway! You guys are giving credits to yourself for finish it under 1 and half hour by nuking it! Also, that's why you don't need a stone! duh, how can anybody get killed if you don't give the heroes a chance to lay 2nd attack because of nuke?! Oh, and let me tell you why I'm laughing. You guys are too "happy" i guess, since i dont' know correct word to fit it, because I've done it with level 54 heroes and finished it in 1h10min LONG before i8. Like in August or July i think. We used shivan, but NOOOOO nuke!! I won't tell my tactic.....cause that'll take away the values in a way for me. However, I do agree with having a challenge is doing it without shivan or nukes. I'll have to try that, but I want shivan I admit though. It's not the last mission that's eating your time, it's your other things in other mission. Like, waiting to buff in 2nd mission before going into monster and pulling him, just TP or charge into him jeeze. Also in 3rd mission, gather in front of city hall instead of on globe.....you know how much time your wasting pulling them? if you can kill 6x heroes who is +2 of heroes in 3rd mission, you can kill 4. Oh, that's not all but i'll reply to your objection with my opinion.
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I hope it doesn't. I hope that they simply let villains into The Hive to team up with heroes to defeat him. My Dominator would be a valuable member of that team, rather than life support for a Shivan in the LRSF final mission.
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Well, I suspect that if the Statesman TF drops HOs, Hamidon raids will dry up on their own. Hamidon raids are pretty boring for many people (myself included) and with something else to draw the crowds away it may not be feasible to get the requisite numbers.
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I think the exact opposite will happen. I think it will open up Hamidon and make it more popular. I'm sure the Statesman TF will have the same problems as the RSF in that certain builds will be in demand making it hard for some ATs to get invited. These non-demand ATs/power sets will be able to join the Hamidon raids where everyone can play a part
I jsut want more strike forces for villains. Don't care if it's an RSF level one or not, jsut something else.