Someone explain something to me! (spoilers)
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Ambience,
Posted on: 2006-03-04 14:41 in CoH and CoV General Discussions
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The models for "Professor Echo" and "Dr. Aeon?" were accidentally reversed. Professor Echo should be the white-haired old man.
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Then why do some of the newspaper missions refer to a 'white-haired' scientist instead of a 'brown-haired' scientist?
61866 - A Series of Unfortunate Kidnappings - More than a coincidence?
2260 - The Burning of Hearts - A green-eyed monster holds the match.
379248 - The Spider Without Fangs - NEW - Some lessons learned (more or less.)
I looked at this storyline as being almost an homage to the classic "Celestial Madonna" storyline by Steve Englehart from The Avengers. This storyline involved Kang, Rama-Tut and Immortus all working at cross purposes even though they are all the same guy! Rama-Tut was an older version of kang whao had reformed and become a benevolent ruler who sought to stop his more depraved younger self, while Immortus was--and is-- just confusing! He did preside over the double wedding of the Vision and the Scarlet Witch and The Cotati/Swordsman's Ghost and Mantis. Classic stuff! I wish Englehart would get back into comics--Marvel could use the help!
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If you went back in time and killed your grandfather then you have to become your own grandfather...c'mon they taught us that in Futurama!
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Oh, a warning about not changing history from Mr. "I'm my own grandfather."
Take that causality!
How about these cookies sugar?
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Wouldn't work. You were never born, so you never wrote the note or built the time machine.
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Ah, but the guy who found/finds the note (presuming that he's in a helpful mood) DID (and will) write a note and build a time machine.
If you went back to the past and killed your own grandfather, the past where he died becomes an alternate timeline. The timeline that led to your own existence obviously still exists.
Story Arcs I created:
Every Rose: (#17702) Villainous vs Legacy Chain. Forget Arachnos, join the CoT!
Cosplay Madness!: (#3643) Neutral vs Custom Foes. Heroes at a pop culture convention!
Kiss Hello Goodbye: (#156389) Heroic vs Custom Foes. Film Noir/Hardboiled detective adventure!
That's only if the many-worlds theory is true.
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I wonder if this has anything to do with Seer Marino's cryptic warning that Recluse's victory might not be your own?
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First off, it wasn't Seer Marino - It was Diviner Maros.
And Diviner Maros tells you:
"When the time comes, when you must face the goddess in your preparations to make Recluse's Victory become true, you must remember that Recluse's Victory may not be your own.
What Goddess? Probably Merulena - The goddess that Calystix names when she says "My goddess Merulena will rejoice when her Leviathan lives once again."
Hopefully these plotlines will be resolved come the 40-50 levels.
Dawnslayer on Virtue.
The fact is that this project destiny is tied to the temporal annomaly within the Rouge Isles which Recluse is using. The CoX universe appears to have an odd twist to how time operates, while the future is in flux it seems that any changes done to the future timeline echo back and influence the chance of it happening. If you imagine time as a river with flow going in one direction then its fair to say that anything happening upstream will change things downstream. In this example, downstream is the future, upstream is either the present or the past.
So drop a stone in the water upstream and it creates waves and currents both where it is dropped but also downstream. A larger stone creates bigger waves and makes larger changes in the waves and currents downstream. Like time, history has both minor and major events which have very small or very large effects on the rest of history. However when you drop a large stone a river water ripples and currents may favor being passed downstream but large enough stones cause ripples and currents to be changed upsteam from where it was dropped. Obviously the natural currents will fight against these ripples diminishing their effet and forcing the bulk of the influence downstream but if you keep dropping one large stone after another over and over it'll create enough disturbance to overcome the natural flow of the river causing changes further upstream.
The CoX timeline appears similar, Recluse's Victory is a critical location in time with far reaching effects on the entire world. Since it is in flux it needs to be maintained and the longer its controlled and the more the villains dominate the greater the chance it's 'ripples' will start to effect the past and cause destiny to lead to this future timeline here Recluse rules the world.
Now Dr Aeon and Deviner Moras appear tied to this future timeline. Moras talks of 'the fall of the tower' which appears to have thrown him all over time. He talks of time losing all meaning and how the future, the past and the present being blurred. It sounds like something disaterous happened which may have infact caused the temporal annomally which in itself is a tear in time. Most likely cause by the 'fall' of this 'tower. Odds are this tear will happen within Dr Aeon's lifetime and thus may lead to a paradox as the tear already exists. Perhaps this 'tower' is a means for Recluse to control the tear, but it malfunctioned and unwravelled time from that point on but caused the tear to appear in the past. Creating the inevitable chicken and the egg situation.
We've already seen a dimention can be torn appear, as shown by the Shadow Shard. Perhaps what Aeon fears is this 'tower' he helpped to create which is totally messed up reality in the future so he went to the past to stop it from being developed. Moras does infact appear to be a casualty of this disaster as his mind and his body apparently exists outside of time.
Either way, the future (past, present?) of CoX looks very interesting if they finally get the story moving at a decent pace.
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No. Because if you didn't go back in time then the vase was still stolen. If you went back and stole it would change nothing as your timeline would be the exact same.
In this theory if you went back and tried to kill your grandfather then reality would stop you. Or it wouldn't and the whole time line would collaspe.
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You know, I always wondered if you could force a time loop by going back, leaving the plans for your time machine and instructions saying
"If you don't want the universe to explode, build the time machine in these plans, go back to this point, kill <insert your grandfather's name here>, and leave a copy of these instructions in the same place and time where you found them."
then killing your grandfather. Your grandfather dies, you cease to exist, somebody helpful comes along and follows your instructions, younger version of the helpful guy comes along and reads the instructions HE left--bam, it's not altering the past anymore, the new guy is just following a time loop that (as far as anyone could tell) always existed.
(You could leave the machine itself, but that runs into some problems when you realize the machine has to survive an infinite amount of trips...)
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Wouldn't work. You were never born, so you never wrote the note or built the time machine.