I'd say this is working as intended. Many (if not all) Scrapper sets have allways had this ability, long before the concept of AT Inherent Powers existed.
Eagles Claw for example:
sometiems does normal damage
sometimes 2xDamge (if either its natural crit chance or the Inherent Power crit chance kicks in)
and some rare time 4xDamage (when both crit chances kick in at the same time)
Now, Stalkers have more control over their Crits than Scrappers have, but they still have no control over the crit chance in these particular powers. From time to tim powers like Eagles Claw will do crazy damage. That's how they were designed back in CoH Beta. They're balanced around having an inherent chance of doing double damage.
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and some rare time 4xDamage (when both crit chances kick in at the same time)
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I've never heard of a level 32 Scrapper power doing a triple Critical (or a quadruple critical for that matter). The inherent chance each level 32 attack has (Headsplitter, GD, EC) only adds to the normal chance of doing a critical hit. In all my time with playing Scrappers (which is basically all I did) I've never seen a triple or quadruple Critical. Ever.
I thought that when Scrappers got the chance to crit on all attacks, the attacks that already had an innate crit chance just got that chance added to the base crit chance. Ex: if Golden Dragonfly has a 10% chance to crit and a Scrapper uses it on a boss (15% crit chance), the attack has a total 25% chance to do double damage rather than 2 chances to crit. I've never seen any Scrapper attack do more than double damage...
Still, I wouldn't mind seeing Stalkers keep the double crit chance. After all, they are SUPPOSED to one-shot things.
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By the way, here's some info from back in beta on the average chance for a critical. This chance stacks with Scrapper inherent critical's chance, and the damage stacks with Stalker critical damage, when both crits land.
Head Splitter: 15%
Eviscerate: 5%
Eagle's Claw: 15%
Golden Dragonfly: 15% (may have changed, since GD used to be Head Splitter when Katana and BS were the same)
Full Auto (doesn't show as critical, just does a few more shots, may have been removed): 10%
Note: Eagle's Claw used to do lethal for its critical, which seemed more thematic, IMO. Also, Dark Melee and Spines have no extra crit chance powers (sorry, no crits for the brutes).
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I've never heard of a level 32 Scrapper power doing a triple Critical (or a quadruple critical for that matter).
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f you're asking what I think you're asking, I'm confused by this question....how would the text from someone else's crit show up in his text window? Is there an option to turn this on?
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He was probably asking to see if the stalker was teamed with a Dominator. That whole thing where stalkers have a chance to crit against held/slept foes might have been a contributing factor if a dominator was present.
Just my guess.
It seems quite plausible that the Hidden state does not disable the inherent crit chance of a power. If that's true, I'm sure data mining will show that it happens exactly 15% of the time. The reason it may have taken so long to show up is
1) there aren't a whole lot of Stalkers at that level
2) it requires that people review the logs.
3) the vast majority of hidden attacks are probably AS not the higher critting attacks.
4) for the people who have seen it and are aware of it, it might seem normal and there was no reason to /bug it or post about it
5) the people who experience it aren't automaticaly going to be one of the people who post period.
Still, double crits...which means 3X normal damage is pretty massive...expecially when its tacked on to the higher damaging attacks.
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f you're asking what I think you're asking, I'm confused by this question....how would the text from someone else's crit show up in his text window? Is there an option to turn this on?
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He was probably asking to see if the stalker was teamed with a Dominator. That whole thing where stalkers have a chance to crit against held/slept foes might have been a contributing factor if a dominator was present.
Just my guess.
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I've never heard of a level 32 Scrapper power doing a triple Critical (or a quadruple critical for that matter).
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If only it were that easy. I'd believe my Headsplitter(s) would do triple criticals *all* the time 
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When mine happened, yes, I was. I had also Placated the enemy, I wasn't hidden from Hide. I don't know if that has anything to do with it. Also, this has happened only once so far, and it only happened after I hit 37 and added 3 Damage slots to Eagle's Claw. Between levels 32-36 I never had it happened. When it happened this time I could clearly tell because there was a huge jumble of numbers and letters above the enemy's head.
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...Scrappers never even got the ability to Crit until I3
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I think they added the crits in I2 and upped the chance in I3. Just going from memory here, I don't really know for certain and don't feel like looking it up.
Fairly certain they always critted.. just the word "CRITICAL!" and the double damage numbers didn't fly above the enemies head till I2 or I3.. but... it was viewable in the combat log before then..
and yea -- in I3 the chance on bosses and LT's was upped.
Scrappers don't get a double crit on these types of attacks, they get a double chance of crit with them. it's 10% instead of 5% if I recall correctly. (that's for any ability with an innate crit chance)
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The powers that have an increased chance to Crit weren't still allowed for stalkers to be able to " double crit " like you and others can do. They were allowed because without hide, a Stalker has 0% chance to crit when not hidden / placated [ Scrappers, contrarily, always have a certain % chance ].
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Actually, this is incorrect. Stalkers have a chance to crit held and sleeping targets when not hidden (which is why I make a habit of LKing random dominators when a mission takes me a back a zone or two) It's right there in the Assaination auto power long help. Having not personally played a scrapper myself, I'm not sure how it stacks up to scrapper's crit chances, but it feels about 5-10% chance on my first 4 attack powers (my normal chain) Now if only that crit chance worked on targets under fear... *sigh*
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Having not personally played a scrapper myself, I'm not sure how it stacks up to scrapper's crit chances, but it feels about 5-10% chance
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It's quite a bit higher than that. IIRC, it's something like 25 or 30%.
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and some rare time 4xDamage (when both crit chances kick in at the same time)
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I've never heard of a level 32 Scrapper power doing a triple Critical (or a quadruple critical for that matter). The inherent chance each level 32 attack has (Headsplitter, GD, EC) only adds to the normal chance of doing a critical hit. In all my time with playing Scrappers (which is basically all I did) I've never seen a triple or quadruple Critical. Ever.
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I dunno. I'll admit I'm not a scrapper guru or anything. I've only got one over lvl32, my MA/SR. When I got Eagles Claw, I heard it had a higher chance to crit. I assumed it was what most people seem to be saying: higher chance of the Inherent AT Power to kick in. But then I had somone in one of my chat channels ask if it was possible to do doubble crits with Golden Dragonfly (I think that's the Katana equivalent?). I said no, but then he pointed out that the attack did two types of crit: the one inherant to the power, which just doubbles the damage without the "CRITICAL" floating up over the target, which has allways been there, and sometimes it's the Inherent AT Power that doubles the damage and does make the text float up. So, once in a while both kick in.
So I started paying a bit more attention and noticed that the range of damage Eagles Claw did was weird. I just thought it was a cool addidtion that you could double crit on it. I just assumed it was common knowledge over in scrapper-land.
I dunno, it's starting to be a while since I played my scrapper actively. I just assumed this was how it worked and moved on.
Never really considered the implications for Stalkers though...
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Fairly certain they always critted.. just the word "CRITICAL!" and the double damage numbers didn't fly above the enemies head till I2 or I3.. but... it was viewable in the combat log before then..
and yea -- in I3 the chance on bosses and LT's was upped.
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No, scrapper attacks did not ALL have a base crit chance above 0 before I2 - but most sets had one or two powers with a chance to crit. Those ones still have an added chance to crit.
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It's quite a bit higher than that. IIRC, it's something like 25 or 30%.
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I must just be severely unlucky or something. Thanks for the data.
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Prolly a matter of perception. Base accuracy against even con minions is 75%, but before you get an accuracy SO in your attacks it feels like you're missing every other attempt.
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I dunno, my regen/ma scrapper has been using eagles' claw for a VERY very long time (I soloed most of the way to 44) and I have never, ever gotten a double critical...in fact, single criticals only seem about 50% more likely than with other attacks. 50% above the base chance of a critical, I mean.
Master: I think the longbow was under placate. I'm pretty sure he was under placate at the time. My normal routine is to AS one minion while hidden, then placate and attack a second minion. Since the combat log shows I AS'd one guy then moved to the next and activated placate, I think it's safe to say that I did placate him/her (I forgot the gender, they all look the same to me now :P)
That Ninja blade thing I think refers to the critical attached to the hidden status. I didn't attack twice with it, it wasn't even near recharged yet and it would have said something to the essence of "You activated Golden Dragonfly" in the combat log.
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