What's the purpose of this board?
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American_Eagle,
Posted on: 2004-12-16 19:43 in Developers' Corner
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Myabe you got the wrong post from statesman quoted but this is what I see:
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It was a continuation two posts below... http://boards.cityofheroes.com/showt...mp;o=&vc=1
EDIT: typo
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No they actually said they will give respecs after I5. Read this post ---> Exchange between Statesman and me.
Where he again confirms that respecs are coming after I5.
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Please don't argue this point anymore guys. It just spreads disinformation. The devs have stated several time that respecs are coming with I5. I could find some more posts for you, but I'm late meeting my wife as it is. 
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Myabe you got the wrong post from statesman quoted but this is what I see:
"We might giving out more respecs in the future, though I cant make any definitive comment on that."
Which is FAR from what you say: "The devs have stated several time that respecs are coming with I5"
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That's why I called it an exchange. Read a few posts down.
The City of Heroes Community is a special one and I will always look fondly on my times arguing, discussing and playing with you all. Thanks and thanks to the developers for a special experience.
Frankly I never post on boards, but I feel compelled to ask a few questions about some of the game chages. There have been many positive changes to the game since its introduction many months ago, but i'm concerned about the negative aspects.
I'm what you could call a part-time player--i have no characters who have reached lvl 50, and do not expect to ever reach that because I honestly cannot spend 40 hours per week palying just to get another bar of xp on my lvl 45 Emp/Rad defender.
I guess the real issue i have is the dev's pandering to the people who complain about players who go up in level quickly. Well, if you were 13 years old and unemployed, you could play CoH all day and get to lvl 50, but I digress. This game is City of Heroes, for SUPER powered beings, not City of Mediocre-slightly-better-than-the-average-thug-Heroes. I play this and not other MMORPG's because you can be super, but it seems that the characters get less super with every issue. Plus, if one character happens to be able to get to lvl 50 quickly, great! It doesnt hurt me at all--they can never hurt me unless i go into the Arena. So why all the chages to balace for PvP apply to PvE is beyond me. Maybe someone can give me answer to my questions. I know I'm not the only one with these frustrations...
With all these changes and nerfs I think it would be only DECENT if you would post the corresponding numbers so we know exactly what the changes are and how much they will be affecting our heroes ?
Thanks
Over the hills and through the woods.
You know ... I bought that game about 10 months ago and when i look at my game manual im flabergasted to realise that what i am playing now on test doesnt look a bit with what i had bought . Its a whole new game and im in complete darkness . I have no numbers or indications to help me at all making informed decisions and i can only acknowledge that most of my toons cant perform nearly as well as they could one year ago . Even with a free respec , im far from sure to actually know what i should modify . So far , ive seen no difference with my toon fighting with IH clicked or not so maybe i should just remove the power and not use it at all ? Or maybe i should put in it more Heal enh ? But i have no idea if it wouldnt be a waste of slots . Statesman , we NEED more informations . Nerf whatever you want but at least show us where the things really stands so that we wont gimp ourself further . Its NOT fun .
I may disagree with what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it.
Voltaire
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With all these changes and nerfs I think it would be only DECENT if you would post the corresponding numbers so we know exactly what the changes are and how much they will be affecting our heroes ?
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I know. The devs -know- we players will just reverse engineer the information anyway. It's only a matter of time, and in the meantime, all that the lack of information we're faced with does is cause annoyance/irritation.
Might as well release the full numbers so we can cry fair or foul at them and test them thoroughly more quickly, and so get this test period over with rather than to drag things out by making us figure it out the hard way, and THEN provide our comments.
Arc Salvo: Okay hold one sec guys, we can't just rush in blindly vs these Nemesis, they've got these ranged aoe's tha-
Teammate1(charging in): Shut up, Arc Salvo, you lame*$% Viewtiful Joe wannabe! What do you know?!
Teammate2(also charging): yeah, ST#& arc salvo u PWR RANGR U!
Arc Salvo: *sigh*
YO long time player 1st time complanier with all these i5
changes i just had to say something i do not post alot as u can see by my numbers. so here is ten reason not just on controllers and Nerf the **** out of DA but as a whole on how i feel!!
1.)What the **** half of these people that are posting are lames look there more then one or two AT types !!!
2.)look at the different builds 1st before u make a global change at this level!!! these changes are crazy cloak of fear fears nothing and only one petfor controllers thats not right.
3.)work so hard to get to 32 so i can do alittle soloing with my pet...what was that... soloing in a super hero mmo thats unheard of!!! be real so what its an mmo but remember its a super hero game!!! Super heros do solo u guys need to read more comics.. if u claim that this is what the game is basic on!!
4.) yo i been with this game from day1 and all your doing is nerfing powers (like DA ) even more now since COV is coming out...what the **** look wheres the super in super hero when the super is gone?
5.) your going in the wrong direction with this game with these changes stop trying to be like other mmos we are not in the forest!! that why i play this game its diffent your a Super hero!!!! and with that said theres different types of Super heros and power differnces!!! so why are u balancing this game for...u didn't see DC make Superman powers Weaker because Batman had no Superpowers!!!
6.) did u guys stop to think that maybe we are having fun already with the game!! and now your forcing people to team up all the time!! so it can take longer to level which mean more time played as if we didnt put in long hours already playing....so u can make more money right!!! did u guys stop to think that your game already has a very high replayablity....plus the fact that there are people that just don;t know how to play with their chars. and i need to relay on that person!! look stop looking at these nonplaying people who complain about how there char sucks...for that one person there like 7 or so people for that one with the same build and their char is good..that goes for all ATs types...take it back to issue one when everybody had to learn how to play with there chars...thats one problem u got noobs and people thats haven;t been around for so long playing with the pros and looking at there char and crying about how that person plays better than them which in all make there char look better and the nonplayer char even wrost off. SO Stop Nerfing powers basic on balance!!! if u do that u need to rename this game and stop misleading people instead of City of Heros is should be City of Helplessness..
7.) u guys need to think long term probleming solving not short term, because some game company( out of respect of COH not going to name the company but u can find out on the web) brought the right to use DC chars and is coming out with a MMO!!! so u guys will have comp.
8.) i must admit that a controlling is nothing like a tanker or scrapper oooo!!!! let the tankers tank and the controllers troll,and the scrappers scrap stop being lazy and turning all your effords to COV without COH players theres no COV. instead of cutting Powers try changing the MIssions and AI more work on that!!! these little changes to mish is ok for i5 but it just a little bit...why can;t i smash up stuff damage building with a hellion or 10 flying thru a window!!! think about that!! the little stuff that makes people play longer than your low level econ/buss. theories....geez switch it up like if i'm a ninja instead of looking like one let the animation prove it did u guys think about that one...also u can stop herding and pling by smarter AI and change the missions u guys are smarter then that i see what u are doing come back to heros and not COV geez u guys are going to lose alot of people that been with ya from the start u got to look at the future value and not just a quick and easy fixs..
9.)as Stateman said in another post he was playing a hand held and want to challenge us off of a boss he couldn;t beat!!! What the **** man what are u thinking this is on a different scale then that tiger eletronics hand held u was playing!! i;m in control of my chars powers and if i have troubles with a boss then i'll call for help but really i super hero calls for help becuse he couldn't beat a boss not an AV but boss!!!
10.) no thanks i think i will pass in the *** kissing thats on these posts not just this link but other about the i5 changes u guys need to get your act together before u start to see your stock drop way down then i bet u will make all those right changes then. The Bottom Line is that i5 BLOWSSSS with these changes...
A couple of thoughts from a City of Heroes Beta player for Statesman and the rest of the development team:
1. Why is CoH/CoV inherently the most inaccurate game on the market? What do you guys have against us hitting? In both PvP and PvE it seems that accuracy and tohit buffs are relatively worthless, yet accuracy enhancements cost the most. Is ED a way of making us slot more accuracies in attacks? If so, how does this benefit the lowbie that is a little short on slots at the beginning of the game, earning 6 Influence per mugging and saving up for 500 just to buy the first level 5 training accuracy enhancement? I've also noticed that immediately after taking an Inspiration, your next attack misses on a regular basis (even if the Inspiration taken was yellow). Oh, and mobs are very accurate which doesn't quite make this a balanced, or fun, environment especially since now Defense is worth even less than Accuracy...
2. It seems that QA really stands for Quality Avoidance, as I've yet to see a decent issue release. CoV has its visual merits, but is still built on the same nonsensical, mob-advantaged engine that plagues CoH. Let's examine a few examples: Brawl is worthless, yet a minion can Brawl for tens of damage. There are ranged mobs all throughout the game, but not every hero or villain has a ranged attack. Mobs continue to utilize versions of our powers way too effectively, and in combinations that are not available to players. Damage is still calculated with a decimal, to the 1/100th, which clearly shows poor math skills (many games use a damage range. An attack that does 2-5 is better than one that does 1-4. None of this 9.86 when you really do 9 nonsense). The amount of health that mobs possess is unjustifiably too high. Not everyone forms a team of 8, by the way. Is it impossible to scale the mobs themselves, not just the number that populates based on a team size ranging from 1 to 8? This could create a soloable environment, which is one of the things Statesman had originally mentioned. Did you back out of it, Jack?
3. PvP, albeit interesting, really needs some heavy review and fixing. With heroes that have been tested in PvE, even respecing them for PvP puts them at a disadvantage. The very idea that a Stalker can Hide past Police Drones for the 1-shot Assassin Strike on a Defender, Blaster or Controller is idiotic. And being defeated by an opposing drone no longer gives debt? All you've done is provided "free movement" to the Stalker after he demolises a hero "squishy", now he doesn't have to be around for any retaliation. Clearly, another mistake (one of many) made by the Devs.
4. Aforementioned in points 2 and 3, the lack of balance in PvP and PvE. Instead of an earnest attempt to fixing the game, instead we get nerf after nerf after nerf. Are there any ideas on what to do with the power sets? Anymore responses along the lines of "we didn't intend (fill in blank) to..."? That statement alone can be avoided if decent testing was done BEFORE uploading to the Beta where suddenly WE are the ones testing your product. Of course we OOH and AHH at every new and shiny feature. We're not professional beta-testers. I'm also speaking from the experience of having beta-tested games before. It's safe to say that roughly 80% of what is in CoH/CoV would seriously be put to question, and 50% of that would have been fixed prior to showing it to anyone in order to avoid any embarrassments. Was there any testing, and were any of these ridiculous situations that are presently in the game mentioned? Was it allowed to be question? Did the questions merely get glossed over due to deadlines?
I'm sure I will be assailed by flamers, trollers and fan bois. I've elected to ignore them in hopes that a name in red replies. Please spare me the deflections and stock answers. It would be very kind of the Devs to actually provide real answers.
- Captain Amazing
Well IMHO i believe the Devs have NO intention of making the customers happy so therefore effective today i cancelled my account and am going to WoW. I tried i really did to hang in there,but this game is just not "FUN" any more to me and i have been playing since maybe a week after launch. I beta'd CoV in hopes that it would spark some kind of interest, but to no avail. IF you want to talk about replay value i had ONE lvl 50 char. Just ONE in about a year and a half i never left and had one max lvl char. WHY? Because i loved this game the way it was until I5 and ED came around to not let me troll anymore. but whatever complaining isn't going to change the minds of the company now that they have a whole country of Noobs to ooh and awe over them (Korea) they don't care what we do now and that is sad i want to play soooo much but it is pointless if it's no fun.
P.S. THANKS DEVS for making me find yet another game. 
When can we get Winterlords in COV?
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When can we get Winterlords in COV?
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LOL ROFL...never
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When did this become an 'Ask Statesman' thread? 
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Kinda when people realized that even huge threads with a ton of useful info get ignored if the devs don't play the same kind of toon that you do.
AR/Dev is totally worthless now, its impossible not to see, yet nothing is being done about it. Why? I have no idea really, but I'm guessing that nobody with say in the balancing plays this build(maybe they do, just not past lvl 10). Can't you guys just test this out? Make a lvl 40 AR/Dev blaster, and compare his damage with other types. Devices has been a worthless secondary since ED, and its not like its hard to tell.
I never see responses from Statesman inside other posts. I was hoping that he would lock this thread out so that he could eliminate the chatter.
Insane Samuria - I was thinking of making an AR/Devices blaster, but now I am not so sure. Can you post your complaints about the build? Maybe in the blaster section...
P.S. - This is not superhero game, this is a hero game. Balance does not equal super.
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States has posted 114 times since 10/1/04.
*Goes to check post count of other MMO Lead Designers*
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Yes, but how many times has he, or any Dev, posted in the suggestions forum in that same amount of time? 
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Remember though, they do say they don't post on suggestions much <^,~> No MMO I've played has ever had a dev team that does... Suggestion forums move *so* fast; and if I dev starts playing favorites in there (or hinting around) it can cause alot more antagonism than we need.
Not to say I wouldn't love to see States or Positron or Cuppa (who isn't really a dev per-se <,< but I just like CuppaJo) posting on my awesome suggestions of DOOM <'x'> *BUT* I can't say I expect it.
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...AR/Dev is totally worthless now.... Devices has been a worthless secondary since ED, and its not like its hard to tell.
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Um... I don't see it... maybe I'm missing something, but I've got a friend who's lvl 33 with that set and loves it. I can see that a lot of lethal/smashing damage gets resisted, but this was true before ED. I don't think I understand how this set got hit anymore than any other...
As for Devices, I'm not sure that ED would really affect how people use most of the powers (Web, caltrops, smoke grenade, stealth suit, targetting drone.... that's what comes to mind anyway.)
Ladies and Gentlemen of NC Soft:
Are the developers listening at all? May I request some proof? It is my understanding of our relationship that we the players pay our $29 to $69 for the CoH or CoV box to play the game-forever, as with any other game of similar price. We pay our $15/month for the game's continuing maintenance and development, presumably along the lines of our requests and suggestions.
I play a Kheld from time to time and do enjoy their presence in the game now. But I site them as evidence that the developers are adding their own, unsolicited content to the game. Nobody could have possibly requested that. I challenge anybody to produce a player-generated suggestion for shape-shifting energy blasting squids and crabs that predates their introduction to the game. They're clearly an unsolicited developer acid trip.
Yet there is an entire forum here of player suggestions and requests for new game content that has clearly fallen on the floor in the mean time, despite the obvious cash flow that accompanies it. Granted 95% of it is maintenance programming: buff this, nerf that, but there has to be a wealth of new content ideas in there ripe for the developing that rot in that round file the suggestions forum has become.
I proclaim here and now that the developer's creativity is most welcome-but until that forum has been entirely addressed-only within the confines of player requests and suggestions. Only when the que of our demands have been dealt with or dismissed by popular vote do the developers get to work on any original ideas of their own.
Because that's what we're paying you for.
For example: I've heard that wings were long ago dismissed as cosmetic. Yet better than half the concept of an MMORG is looking good while you're doing it! Yes, absolutely! We must have more cosmetic things fixed and added too about the game! Cosmetic additions must be given an even priority with actual gaming content in the developer's schedules and budgets. Done right, wings are a HUGE step towards "looking cool while we're doing it" for many of us and we've been dying to have them for 7 "issues" now! I for one will never let the issue die.
Another example: I can now choose exactly which of the 20 pimple-pop tunes my boom box will play, yet I can only dance to them at random. I've characters that should never be caught dead doing the 'monkey dance', and other characters who should do nothing but. Yet I cannot choose. It's the small, easy things like this that truly frustrate me about the developer's misplaced priorities. Who caress about what tune is playing! I haven't turned the sound on AT ALL since the 'glowies' stopped humming!
Humming glowies: another example of a good and useful thing we'd like to see back.
And can we have a decent feline face in CoH? CoV does. And us CoH'ers will be wanting CoV's barbed wire too. Pandora's box has been opened with CoV costumes in CoH. You can't close it now. We'll be wanting everything and so very much more. You shouldn't be allowed to release an "issue" without substantial costume option additions to both CoH and CoV. It should be a mandatory part of every update from now on.
Substantial costume option additions. Entire wardrobes, no less. Wings would be a good place to start in I7. Thank you. Wings should have been there in I3.
And these are just the few things I've submitted. I'm sure the hoard of us has a list of thousands more items I'm also excited to see you incorporate in the game.
Now I ask you, given all that: why are we going to Mars, or the moon again...exactly? Who requested that? And what wonderful entire new costume wardrobes will be coming with that issue? Issue 7?
Adding CoV costume options to CoH is about the right size of a wardrobe addition for each release. Thank you for including it in I7.
Yes. I think you need to rethink a few things.
Start with your priorities.
Take your time. Do it right. I can't wait to see how fantastic the wings you've been working on for two years now are going to be when they get here.
Thank you.
-White Paw.
Go and develop a game or two yourself, and then come and tell me that it's as easy as you make it sound.
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No they actually said they will give respecs after I5. Read this post ---> Exchange between Statesman and me.
Where he again confirms that respecs are coming after I5.
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Please don't argue this point anymore guys. It just spreads disinformation. The devs have stated several time that respecs are coming with I5. I could find some more posts for you, but I'm late meeting my wife as it is.
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Myabe you got the wrong post from statesman quoted but this is what I see:
"We might giving out more respecs in the future, though I cant make any definitive comment on that."
Which is FAR from what you say: "The devs have stated several time that respecs are coming with I5"