brophog02

The difference between a respite and a "healer" is one gets experience, and the other gets replaced.

This thread is full of that, isn't it.

I can't ascertain if some people just are lacking in comprehension, or playing dumb to pull a fast one on the devs.

Probably a little bit of both, really.

That is beyond unspoken. As I said, if you want that behavior, then you need to state it in that particular mission. That is the exception, not the rule.

Those were the days.........

I'm almost positive it would be. Probably not by a ton, but I see it coming.

I'll gladly take the trade off, personally. And if they want to buy some low level contacts some cell phone time I'll take that trade off, too!

That's good to hear, and means so much to a new player. Sure, there are ways to make money early on, but a sense of hopelessness can set in on a player new to a game when they see what appears to be unreachable goals.

Even what seems like an inconsequential sum to a high level player can generate an enormous amount of hope in a new player.

I'm glad to see this thread and all of the examples pop up. It's good for the game.

You would have to do that with so many powers, and as we've seen with any of the new things the devs have done recently, they're not the quickest at preventing player exploits.

Even when they think they're preventing the exploits. That's why in these kinds of threads you desperately need someone to take the unpopular side to weed out the problems.

Have you ever played with a Plant troller? Its comically easy because seeds is always up. The only time it isn't comically easy is when you're fighting something like nemesis or when you aggro too much.

Now imagine every troller like that.

That was nerfed once for a reason. The only real limiter from it happening now is the price of recharge based IOs and sets, and that price is so high because recharge is such a vital aspect. Why have any other attack when all you need is Headsplitter! That's why recharge is already gamebreaking. The problem is really that so many people don't know what gamebreaking even is! +4/8 on many teams isn't the challenge setting, it is the norm!

We're past gamebreaking, and this adds just another level onto that.

Not to mention the fact this idea doesn't get you back that power you need, necessarily. The drag and drop idea someone proposed might do that, but not necessarily a global recharge buff.

Unless you choose to exploit it, that is, and the people in this game have proven themselves time and time again that they will exploit such things.

In this thread, people have made the comparison to other insps, and all I got to say is that they do not understand how this game works. If you're building a toon, you don't go for the +Dam IOs, you go for the +recharge IOs (which is why those sets are so much more expensive than anything similar). Recharge is more valuable than +Dam, globally, because of the disparity in the power of the attacks. Archery and Fire blasters are two more great examples of this where they add enough +recharge to get down to just Blazing/Blaze as their attack chain. In those two examples, that power is already at about twice the strength as the next most powerful ST attack. That disparity is what makes +recharge so good.

We could go on and on finding problems like this if we chose to do so, and I'm actually rather shocked more people aren't looking at this from both sides. +Recharge is a nice aspect but one needs to realize the reason why it is highly in demand is because it has such an enormous impact on the game as a whole. +Dam is limited by how much the original power did. +Recovery can't get you those big powers back, and relatively few sets run into endurance problems post 22, unless recharge is also highly boosted. +ACC hits a limiting factor rather quickly. +Recharge, however, turns complete powersets into isolated powers and has a cascading impact on the game as a whole. That's why people want it so much.

If I always had every power I ever needed, what is the balance metric in this game? How would I ever die? The game is fundamentally balanced on resource limitation (Do I have the power recharged and do I have the endurance to use it).

You bet I can include it. They have access to it, so I can add it. A lot do take it, particularly with the popularity of "pure healers" out there. My blasters get it from high level emps all of the time. My observation there aside, the fact they have access to it obviously means they have access to it, and therefore is includable in my statement.

Who do you think you are telling me what I can't do or not do? When they name you forum dictator, I'll give you the memo. Until then, save your pointless rhetoric and try to examine this issue with a clear head.

First, try to think of why an effect everyone wants so much isn't an inspiration yet, when the other primary balance metrics are, and have long been, inspirations. You've already admitted a bias, try to at least overcome that for a moment and think of reasons why this isn't a good idea (I've presented one). Nobody takes suggestions in this board seriously if it is all greedy persons who want it because it is good, without serious discussion.

That's why 99.99999999% of this board is total crap. Most of it is just ill thought of greed.

Unfortunately, some favorably and some unfavorably. I guess it all is a wash in the end.

As I said in another thread, any disparity adjustment would need to come from bringing controllers down, not Defenders up. I've never seen anything to suggest Defender primary effects were anything but on the very high side as it is.

They do not fly in every direction, they fly in exactly one direction.........away from the caster.

Nova flies them in every direction, if you are in the center of them...........which you don't necessarily need them to be. Then again, that power is designed to be a killing blow, and you simply need to learn to time that right.

Statements like these are why KB is hated...........you don't understand it. Most persecution works that way.

Comical thread is comical.

Same here.

But on this board, it gets brought up a ton, often hiding whine threads as 'suggestions'. I play not only almost exclusively PUGs, but usually the toons often cited as knockback aggressors. It doesn't come up in gameplay as long as the team even mildly works together on the issue.

These kinds of stealth whine threads are just comical at this point.

Neither. I wouldn't make a blaster without hasten, which means SS is my first choice.

I disagree.

Notice how the newer Tier 9's are becoming immune to buffs and enhancements? Recharge speed can make certain toons nearly godly. If I had recharge inspirations, I'd run around never leaving Force of Nature on a Blaster. I don't know about you, but I consider that kind of thing as affecting balance adversely.

There are certain powers that are balanced in part around never becoming perma, even with Recharge IOs.

There is a reason that things Kins and recharge based IOs are at the top of the heap in this game. Recharge is gamebreaking and the players know it.

It is easy to get recharge in this game. Just team. Any full team these days seems to have an Emp, Kin or Rad on it.

That's not a coincidence.

If you're in this to "own" me, then you need to find something more productive to do.

You're still assuming those habits were indeed formed in another game. Logic is currently owning you.

Last time you checked, you must have been playing a different game. Archetypes in this game do a bit of both, including tanks, defenders, and controllers.

Imo, you should almost always take hurdle over swift, as hurdle is simply the far superior of the two.

The biggest reason to ever take swift is it can affect flight speed.


Highly recommend this on Blasters. Active mitigation is the order of the day for Blasters and nothing moves around the battle better than CJ+Hurdle.

As for a travel power, I know many that have gone this "ghetto" route. It is still fairly slow, but not unbearable if you're willing to bunny hop. With a good SG base, Ouroborous, maybe the mission teleporter and a WW teleporter........it is more than doable.

No, but it does imply that they haven't learned how this game operates yet, which one assumes veterans of this game would do as well as they did those other games.

Of course, there are also those that just primarily play this game and still do such things. The reason I don't buy the idea that it is simply brought from other games is that it implies they are capable of learning a behavior from one game but not learning a new behavior from a similar game.