Vox_Doom

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Id say 100%. Most of whom would leave the zone. Many of whom who would be disgusted.

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Most of whom would leave the game .

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Edited for truth.


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There are reasons why most CoX players play CoX and not an open-world PvP game, and the fact that the above doesn't happen is one of them.

As TG pointed out pages and pages ago, PvP in CoX isn't compatible with the way many of us play the game and want to build our characters. Bringing PvP into PvE zones would be CoX's NGE and it'd alienate everyone who plays it exactly because PvE and PvP are completely separate activities.

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This PvE player would be leaving the game double quick.

I have no problem with PvP but it's not really my scene. I will PvP in FNFC but I don't want open warfare thank you very much.

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Me forth. This seems to be something some people have trouble accepting, but a lot of PvEers don't PvP because they don't realise how fun it is, or the rewards aren't sufficient. A lot of us just don't want to PvP.

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Dont fool yourself in the past the amount of people considering PvP an abomination due to their previous experiences is pretty big. Despite the fact that CoH is far friendlier in terms of PKing,ganking,low level ganking and so on.

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/seconded.... A lot!

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Hands up all those who stopped reading after:

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just imagine a team of level 50 villains turning up at atlas

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before they hit the reply button?

I think you've missed my point entirely and by majority rule i wasn't clear enough about what my point was but hey, you lot have made it pretty clear i'd be wasting my time anyway

It has confirmed my speculations however, about the game itself having nothing to do with why PvP is so unpopular, at least among the forum population.

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Um, I read everything you typed and I still think the majority of people would hate it. I mean, you said nothing about those level 50s being unable to attack all the lowbies in the area, so you've got a bunch of players, lots of them probably brand new to the game being destroyed by a bunch of level 50 villains until a bunch of level 50 heroes show up to fight them off?

So suddenly, instead of being the hero, those lowbies are now the civilians who needs rescuing?

Lame.

The correct answer is "I am bad, yes I am."

Great song.

Everyone Loves CoX!

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and ye're about 15 years late too, Syndicate had animated Bullfrog ads running in the cities in 1993

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YAY, Syndicate...sorry to go off topic a sec. But that has to be one of my all time favorite games.

If that was ever made into a MMORPG, I'd be in heaven.

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Mine too.

I'd kill for a MM with miniguns and trenchcoats in CoV (Thugs just aren't the same, even with Traps and a trenchcoat on my main.... I suppose I could pretend I've Persuadatron-ed em all but its just not the same)

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God...this brings back memories...

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Flamethrower rampage.... yeah, I never did get very far, but dammit, I had fun

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Wasn't it Chris Evans in the intro sequence. I remember that the guy had REALLY orange hair, and I think it came up with "C.Evans" when he was put in the Leonardo device.

P.S. Forum derailing, whoooo!

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Forum derailing for a higher purpose! Syndicate was just amAzing!

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That said, I think CoX should take an idea from WoW. Healing causes aggro. Why? Because the enemy you're fighting is going to be pretty miffed when the target he/she is trying to kill gets healed.

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Aaaaaaaargh noooooo please nooooo! That is SO annoying in LOTRO. I really doubt Morgana and I would enjoy the game were that implemented.

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I think there should be a new PVP zone, with an entrance from Mercy Island and Galaxy City that is specifically for PVP training. You can fight each other, but you can't outright kill someone - when their health gets to a certain point it automatically restores. This way it allows people to learn to fight in PVP, which may make the casual gamer venture more in to the zones. PVE players get a tutorial, so why not create something to teach PVP players as well?

I enjoy PVP, but CoX PVP isn't fun for everyone, and I count myself as one of them who doesn't find it fun and I find it a shame. My first real experience of it was Jedi Acadamey multiplayer (long ago, though not quite a galaxy far away) and yes, you would get the skilled PVPs who would take you out very quickly, but even a person new to PVP was able to stand their ground and play as a well timed force-push would throw someone in to a pit and that was that. Yes, you'd get trash talk, yes it could be bloody annoying at times, but it was fun and someone going in to a zone and being killed several times without an awareness of what's going on isn't fun and doesn't promote PVP. There will always be the 'that's not fair' people and people who view everyone as fair game as they're in a PVP zone but in my view, that's not what kills the fun. What kills it is you don't get a chance to figure out what you're doing wrong before it's too late. If the PVP are as passionate about PVP as the inevitable arguments seem to suggest, then I can't see a problem with a zone where you can PVP, but can't defeat, in order to train people for the real thing. I don't think PVP is a bad thing, far from it, but it needs to be made more accessible in order for it to be fun for everyone, despite builds and IOs and everything else.

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Wow.

That's a great idea.

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before even looking at that orum because of the posts I read in here.


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You spelled forum wrong.

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Yes I did, I made a typo. I'll go and edit it. Thanks.

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From the posts I've read you guys always seem to go "You´re doing it wrong." Whenever anyone posts a criticism of pvp.

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I am sorry but when someone actually posts something that is really not accurate what do you want to post?That yes they are right?Or try and make them understand that there is something wrong with what they are saying.

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I've read pvpers posts and been put right off ever interacting with the community on the whole.

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You are prejudiced and thats enough for me.You tarnish a bunch of people based on what a minority has posted.That is ridicilous at least.

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Yeah, yeah, blah blah. There are people on this thread posting the kind of stuff I'm talking about and you're far from condemning them.

You want pvpers to have a better rep then you'd best start policing the community then eh?

Claiming that it's a minority of people when there are far more comments and stories about trash talking, 'bad' pvpers makes me think you're just wearing rose tinted glasses.

But hey, you know, I'm prejudiced, even though the word means "an unfavorable opinion or feeling formed beforehand or without knowledge, thought, or reason.". I'm pretty sure I have knowledge after reading posts, I've even thought about them! Is that reason enough for you?

Quick reply because I'm not sifting through the personal attacks to find something worth replying to with quotes.

How could anyone claim that more people are put off by secondhand posts than trying it out and coming into contact with other pvpers? Do you really think non-pvpers are that sheep-like?

I've read pvpers posts and been put right off ever interacting with the community on the whole. This thread isn't making me want to change my mind either.

From the posts I've read you guys always seem to go "You´re doing it wrong." Whenever anyone posts a criticism of pvp. It's all well and good saying that you have happy threads in the pvp section but I was put off before even looking at that forum because of the posts I read in here.

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I mostly stay out of pvp threads because you guys have made it clear that you just don't want to know what non-pvpers have to say about it.

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I mostly stay out of PvP threads if they are not in the PvP boards because I really have no interest of listening to the carebears shoot another barrage of "OMG PVP KILLED COX" and how the devs waste time on it.

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There you go, prime example of the type of comment I was talking about.

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I mostly stay out of pvp threads because you guys have made it clear that you just don't want to know what non-pvpers have to say about it.

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Allow me to disagree because we had threads in PvP forum where non PvPers participated and was very constructive regarding PvP and how it would be better.

And to be honest some people provoke a response from PvPers by calling pvp useless/something that should be removed/the cause of all nerfs/the reason enhancements were introduced and some are trigger happy enough to say remove it all together while i have never EVER seen a pvper posting remove RP,Alting,Badging and what not.Thats because majority of PvPers believers there is room for everyone and they would like some changes in a part of the game that has been left same for what 8 issues now?At least i speak for myself i never asked any part of the game to be trashed or removed in order for PvP to get a more prominent position.

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I've never suggested pvp be removed for something else, like RP, to get a more prominent position, I just don't think it works, in a way that I would like, and think the game would do better without it and without the dev time spent on it.

This is an opinion, you know, like yours is that you want it kept in. Disagree with it all you want, but don't tell me not to have it or express it.

I never saw the threads in the pvp forum where the non-pvpers suggested things and the pvpers accepted them because I was put off by comments by pvpers which have made it clear that they think any non-pvper is just clueless and doesn't have any right to comment on it.

Oh, and more people are put off pvp by coming into contact with the pvp community than they are reading a post by a non-pvper.

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Not being funny Vox, but you have been on many a anti-pvp rant regardless of what thread it is, doesn't matter who has posted or what they have posted, it has always resulted in you basically saying "Remove PvP and I'M happy". Dude, wake up and realise there is more people than just you playing this game, and realise not everyone is going to agree with your anti pvp comments. And while your at it, try to change your negative anti-pvp comments to constructive positive "what i'd like to see change in pvp to make it more fun to play" comments, rather than just the " removePVPremovePVPremovePVP " comments i tend to see from you...

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No you haven't, you've seen one or two posts like that from me and the last comment I made on pvp before this was on your thread where you stated "no talk about removal of pvp please" where I posted it just to be contrary.

I mostly stay out of pvp threads because you guys have made it clear that you just don't want to know what non-pvpers have to say about it.

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Oh, you can dodge stalkers by moving, but it takes skill, practice, audio, and a degree of intuition. All things unavailable to newbie PvPers.

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True but all that means is they will learn the hard way, everyone was a pvp newbie at some point you can only learn by taking part.

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Or just look at it like this:

"That guy was invisible and killed me in two hits before I could react. Screw this."

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My point proven that player is not cut out for pvp and should stick to pve

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Which is what most people do, hence why so few people PVP. If you want more people PVPing then the way it works needs to change, not the players.

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Yes true it does need to change but i would like to know what the non pvpers who have posted here think should be done given that they dont take part and dont have a clue for the best part on what they are talking about

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That's pretty insulting really, I would have suggested something but since you insist that non-PvPers "for the best part" don't have a clue what they're talking about, even though what most of us are talking about is why we don't like it in this game, then I won't bother.

An empty pvp zone in this game is no skin off my nose after all.

What I do suggest to non-pvpers like myself is that you don't bother replying to threads like this in future because the pvp crowd really just don't want to know.

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Oh, you can dodge stalkers by moving, but it takes skill, practice, audio, and a degree of intuition. All things unavailable to newbie PvPers.

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True but all that means is they will learn the hard way, everyone was a pvp newbie at some point you can only learn by taking part.

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Or just look at it like this:

"That guy was invisible and killed me in two hits before I could react. Screw this."

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My point proven that player is not cut out for pvp and should stick to pve

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Which is what most people do, hence why so few people PVP. If you want more people PVPing then the way it works needs to change, not the players.

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Oh, you can dodge stalkers by moving, but it takes skill, practice, audio, and a degree of intuition. All things unavailable to newbie PvPers.

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True but all that means is they will learn the hard way, everyone was a pvp newbie at some point you can only learn by taking part.

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Or just look at it like this:

"That guy was invisible and killed me in two hits before I could react. Screw this."

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No one ever gets tired of "Statesman is a d***" jokes.

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Why did the chicken cross the road? Because Statesman is a d***!

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IMO none are that annoying, it's more annoying when you have 2 ppl with a believe, and they curse you because you have jokes others do like.
like Jutish and Christian jokes, it's fun for most ppl, but the ones who believe in that are serious offended for no reason :S

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Well, you might want to just not tell those jokes in company when you don't know who it is you're telling them to and what their beliefs are.

I mean they're hardly offended for no reason, you're mocking their beliefs.

Vox owns a few modest flats around the city, most of which he lets out. He has a home in England which is where his band records the albums.

He also has a large converted tour bus for road trips which is where he spends most of his time.

Will the XP version run on Vista?

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The video is still going through some final polish and approvals, unfortunately.

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What GG said then?

I would pay an extra £3 per month to have access to the other NCSoft games with subs.

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5) Outbreak. Surely no-one (except very new ppl) use this facility anymore, except for getting the Isolator badge. Either change the no. of foes to 20 or 50 to speed this up, or get rid of it completely.

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Erm, so what are the new players supposed to do then?

"Damn it, that last enemy is running away. Now we have to wait for it to run past all those other mobs until it decides to run back at us, past its friends (who just stand there looking stupid) and attacks us, even though it only has a sliver of health left."

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(Also, is Ms. Liberty Megan Duncan or Jessica Cole? After all, why would she have the same surname as her grandfather, unless Miss Liberty married someone also named Cole.

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It's only a problem if you assume that Miss Liberty took the same name as her husband, if she got married.

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Badges seen in the wild!

:P

http://cityofheroes.wikia.com/wiki/Halloween_Event_2008

The badges are already on the wiki....man those guys work fast!

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Complete with spelling mistakes!

"Safty"!