UltraNova

A hero older than Wing Blade, flew in front of him. He was shocked to be so blatantly interrupted in his morning flight.

"Morning! I was wondering if you could..", Wing Blade interrupted him back, "If ya wanna talk hombre, can we do over therre?" he said pointing to the ground.

"Huh?Aren't you a flyer?" the hero asked.

"Yes captian obvious, but I don't hover as well as you self powered types," he replied, pausing between flaps to showcase his large tan colored wings. They both flew down to the ground, Wing blade folding his wings back and crossing his arms around his chest.

"Hi! I was wondering if you sign our petition?" he said handing it to the younger, winged "hero". Blade speed read it, handing it back to the man he said "Can't , sorry! Seems like a good idea and all, but I can't help, sorry dude"

The man looked puzzled. Wing Blade anwsered his question before he asked it. "You have to be a hero to sign this right? I'm not a hero, I should be gettin' you to sign this not me pal. I only got licensed because the city keeped bugging me to, I only wear a costume to make life less complicated." The man looked at him in the eyes, with a look of disgust growing inside them. "That is the worst excuse ever... and trust me I heard some bad ones before!"

Wing Blade let out a sigh. "Ok, look at it this way for a sec. See that doctor, goin to work, or that man training for the marathon, or that officer over there, keeping an eye on those kids, there just doin' what comes natural to them, and two outta the three use that to help people. The doctor was born witht eh smarts to go to college, get a degree and help heal people. The cop? He has a the knack and the intuition to solve them crimes and put away the bad guys. And the athlete? He is better at runnin' than most, so he does what he does best. Me? I was born with wings, so I do what things with wings do, fly. Just like the doc that uses her smarts to help people, I use my wings to help. I save a guy fallin off a building or get a kids cat outta a tree, or stop some shortie gettin hassled by some punks. Its really no different from a dude gettin up for an old lady on the bus, or helpin a guy carry his groceries across the parking lot, or even stoppin a fight before it happens. So ask yourself, am I a hero? Nope, not the way I see it, I'm just tryin to be a decent dude. The doc and the cop do way more than me! maybe you should get them to sign your petition!" he joked. With that he spread his wings and flew off to finish his morning "jog".

Do'h I really need to get my Villian to lvl 40...

Oh when I organise a RV night no one wants to participate.. but when someone else does every jumps at it....

Canadian haters!

Lol no joking is there goin to be one on Defiant anytime soon or is it just MZ's monthly one still?

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However, the same rapid metabolism concept could be used to justify an SR build and I think that fits the concept better.

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Thanks thats what I thought as well, I know birds do general heal faster than humans, (well alot of animals do.. but), however I do believe that a birds (especially a falcons) base reflex time is significantly higher than a humans as well. Health from the pool powers could be my "higher metabolism".

I do know it is eay to jusifty regen, I was just wondering, which would more likely be if a avian hybrid exist/ based on comic book characters with wings.

1) Higher reflexes with mild/moderate healing

1)Higher Regening with moderate reflexes

Well hello all you out there in RP land! I need your help

I have two ideas for an avian character.(well a few more than two but my main problem is my secondary)

I am going for a more Archangel/Icarus/ DCAU Hawkman type alt, instead of say a magical bird/human hybrid with magical powers.

My two ideas are based more one Angel (marvel) and Icarus (Mavel) but his backstory is based on Hawkman.

First Idea (Icarus Based): Human-Avian Hybrid from an alternate dimesion where "humans" there evolved from birds and possess advance technology, discovered by Paragons Portal Corps, where a scienctist and An Avian Warrior had a child. Possesses Advance armor from Fathers Heritage. As a result of the Avians super soilder programs, he possesses a Regenative enyzme in his blood, Super Avilan Reflexes, while the Armor provides protection and enhances regenative proterties.

Claws(talons)/Regen/Fighting/Flight
(Tought representing Armor, Weave Representing Reflexes)

Second, Back stroy is similar, except his father was not engineered, he has from the order of the Falcon, and possesses great agility both flighing and on the ground. Mixed heritage furthered Reflexes to super human speeds. Armor is made to enchance Agility and combat effectiveness aswell as high frenquency talons. The Avilan race is only a few decades more advance than us, and even tho they possess powerful ranged weapons are very honor bound race where warriors still prefer to train in melee weapons.

Talons(or Sword)/SR/Fitness/Flight

For this I thought of a crossover idea that (health and IO set enspired) like birds he possesses a high metabolic rate, but his DNA has adapted its Relication process so that damage doesn't not occur, therefore he heals (slightly)faster, over the years of his people having their wings cut off, they genetically designed the wing cells to regenerate (so if storywise I "lose" my wings I can grow them back)


Pros and Cons that I can see for both:

Regen, Regen doesn't really suit a avian IMO (con), Adds interesting twist such as unable to get sick because niether human or bird vriuses can affect him(pro) No need for fitness (pro) Tough and Weave not what their are cracked up to be (con) Regen helps explain what happens if shot in his wings (pro)

SR: Perception goes well with idea of super human senses, falcon like vision (pro) Agility is somewhat compromised by 20 foot wingspan which hurts concept(con) helps idea of very agile flyer (pro) Dimishes Armor Idea (con)

I don't want to take invulnerablity twice, and dark doesn't really fit the concept. I don't need answers like "which ever is more fun, because I find both very fun, but its the concept thats killing me. The history of the character is important to other character plots.

So i ask you fellow rpers, what Feels more Avian to you?

((Just alittle advice because we are in the USA

1) Dollars not pounds
2)legal drinking age is 21

Unless of course you are fudgng that because we are in a different dimesion these things don't apply and any currency works...))

Ya, true. Although the comics are not the greatest, I did like the first few, as it gave you a better insight to the Freedom Ph. however bad they were written, or how annoying they are. The game tend sto make you think they are more DCAU JLA like, when they pretty much seem not to like each other that much, but work together dispite this for the greater good.

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I think we have to be very careful that this doesn't turn into a religion-bashing/atheist-bashing flame war... keep it civil, I hope, even if it's alright for the moment?

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I don't see how when I said me and him are both fence sitters, but ok

Oh and when I said you win. It appears you can't take or notice a joke. This wasn't a competiton, but it that's how you see it then ok :P

I'd like to thanks your for saying I was rambling. I will choose to believe that you have some reason to take everything I say as an attack against your ideas, challenging you to a debate, rather than what it was as a disscussion of our ideas. But maybe thats me psychoanalysing you :P

Its a shame you don't RP anymore. It would be fun to meet you IC in-game.

Come on Ravey, come join us in Pocket D!

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Basically I want to start a new African American toon called Blackflag. He'd be a super patriot in the vein of Captain America, but I wanted to know if the name offended anyone first?

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You are so dead white boy! I'm gonna PM bridger for racial discrimation! Whats next a Latino super patriot called El Flago!

Lol just kidding man. Just don't use the word bucky... as its an old racial surl.

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As I rceall though, the description your quote gives would make him a Titan, not a god.

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They were all gods, they just had different labels.

Titians and olympians.

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I didn't think 'your view' precluded any technological/magical interface, however.

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AA see "my view" never said that magic and tech cannot exist together. That was a game called arcanum which i said i liked, but this is not my viewpoint. They to can exist without interference, but my view stated that because, from the viewpoint of magic that i chose to use, androids,robots, and technology is "souless", they themselves cannot use magic. They can channel magic, be a focus for magic, but not "use" it in the same way a human can. You might say that contradicts itself, but from this viewpoint you would say its not the being themselves that channel the magic, rather the materials they are made of or the charms placed apon them. If a charmed a robot to fly, then it would fly magically, however the robot unless charmed or made of a magical material, could not out of its own will, has access to magic, where like you said a living being would be able to learn magic.

So in retospec, my theory can actually work with Dr. Brainstorms. The Matrix, is charmed or given magic, not magic itself.

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depending on the beliefs of the magician

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Again you misunderstood. My version does not require the magican to know the truth about magic or have any religious viewpoint about it, they simply can be taught to wield it never knowing its true purpose and form. Just like i can teach a dog to type, even tho its does know what it is actually doing. (This is actually possible, a man customised a type writer and taught his dog to type things.)

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I'm agnostic, the ultimate kind of fense-sitter and, IMHO, the one true position for a scientist. I have no evidence for the existance of the supernatural, God, god, Lord Cthulhu, or anything else, and I also have no proof they don't exist.


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I'm agnostic, the ultimate kind of fense-sitter and, IMHO, the one true position for a scientist. I have no evidence for the existance of the supernatural, God, god, Lord Cthulhu, or anything else, and I also have no proof they don't exist.


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This is actually what i believe. I just didn't know the term, Thanks now i know "what i am."

Still choosing to believe nothing is just a strong viewpoint to be something.

When I said creation myth, it emcompasses all "beliefs" or disbeliefs. The problem is that people like to confuse what religion should truely mean. Since we can't prove anything yet, or maybe ever, these are all theories as to how we came into existance. Thats all religion is, theories. Problem is the word religion, especially with non believers, is the people who do believe take it as fact or the gospel truth, and therefore, people who don't try to distance themselves to what i believe is the true meaning of religion.

Raven, just out of curiosity again do you know what a spiritualist is?

Ok you win.. go look at the Invetions thread... CoX uses an idea of magic very similar to yours....

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shrug* As I recall (and bare in mind that my brain is turning to soup as I type), the 'debate'

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*confused* I never wanted to debate with you that was the message in half my post. I frequently said this were my ideas, just as you stated mine. Reread our posts, and its more your "attacking" my idea and me simply defending it, saying I don't disagree with your idea, but this is the one I use.

Like in the most powerful thread, you seemed to wanted to try and debate with me, when the original message" hows does your character benefit from a non structured canon" but I am not that best with words, especially when i get excited about an idea. I have a biological reason for this but most people say its a cop out to state things like that, perfering to imply your badly educated or lack basic literature skills. Not sayin that you would or that many people I have met in this thread would.

If you wish to debate however.

Any idea, theory, or befief of creation is a relgious stand point. Choosing not to believe is a extreme relgious statement just as saying you do believe. I am curious to what you think you are and who your belief is not a religous one?

Welcome Dude! Don't forget Pocket D the place to Be. 9:00 o'clock everyday because.. well I don't really know?

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I'm pretty sure the comics specifically state that they both stem from Zeus.

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I think what you are stating is partially true. It says that they both got their powers from the fountian of zeus, and pandora's box, but I pretty sure (judging by their bios and the novels) that Zeus only chose Marcus Cole to be his Incarnate, and he was the first to drink from it as well.

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Atheism is a religious viewpoint.

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Lol you seem to have some weird thing where you see something I write and want to get me into debate of late Ravey. lol. I'm either flattered that you think I'm worthy to debate against, or embarrassed that my statements and ideas are so easy for you to pick apart, and try to disprove.

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How can he be an aspect of Tartarus? Tartarus is a place, not a god.

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Need to bone up on your greek mytho there Ravey, he is both a god and a place. Kinda like Hades is a place and a god.

Its from the CoX novels, the comics at one point and I believe it might mention it somewhere in-game? Well I know for certain that it is in the novel at least.

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In Greek mythology, Tartarus is both a deity and a place in the underworld even lower than Hades. In ancient orphic sources and in the mystery schools Tartaros is also the unbounded first-existing "thing" from which the Light and the cosmos is born.



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and if you don't like wiki

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One of the first Gods to arise from the void of Creation, TARTARUS, like his siblings NYX and CHAOS, personifies ultimate formless gloom. Little is known of his personality but as the first God of Hell we assume him to be a dour and depressing being.


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Assuming it works like magnetos, because he is repelling himself from the earths iron magnetic core?

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I think I said that people wouldn't like my idea if they had a religious or spiritual view of magic. You do. As you said, you're influenced by your mother.


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Funny tho, i'm atheist!

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And you really should check up on what God Modding actually means.

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Ok explain it then.


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One thing I think you are missing with regards to Statesman and Recluse: they aren't human, they really have been endowed with aspects of a god, Zeus to be exact.

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Number one Recluse does not have the aspects of Zeus. Recluse is the Incarnate of Tartarus. Second wiether they are not human is open to debate. I would think most see their postion as Incarnates their AT, not their speices.

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Yes, but what you haven't yet understood is that mine is a superset of yours.

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Actually Raven I think that you have misunderstood mine.

It seems to me that your definition is more of a label. While mine states that Magic is an actually thing, or energy itself.

I think I pretty much get your opinion of magic. If something cannot be explained then it is magic, if it can it is science. If a bunny pops into existance, you would say its magic! But if i could explain how the rabit got there with the laws of physics and reality, you would say ok now its science. Magic seems to be a way of labeling the unexplainable phemonena, and the use of magic is the control over the unknown and unyet detailed forces that make it possessible, until you can prove how it works it then becomes science?

What I am saying is that magic is a thing, its "alive" if you will. In geekdom you could say the force. It is a seperate aspect of our universe that doesn't apply to science, but can to a degree be explained if you tried hard enough.

When I say magic in terms of energy, I don't mean thermal, kinetic, eletrical, mechanical, e=mc2, conservation of matter and all that jaz. I mean a mystical unknown energy that is not apart of the other category.

That is why we can't see eye to eye me thinks. You say Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic, but that only really works in magic is a label and not an actual thing.

anywho thats my little take on it, I hope i was clearer this time.

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You can make those rationalisations if you like, but you can't build a real humanoid that can look human (you are limited by the character editor afterall) and still fly in Earth gravity. It's physically not possible. You need lower gravity, and/or a denser atmosphere. It isn't reasonable to assume that a mutant would develop the required abilities and body modifications. Calling it reasonable doesn't make it so. The point is, it doesn't need to be reasonable in CoX because lots of things happen that aren't reasonable at all.

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It doesn't, as I hope I've explained.

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Ok put it like this. Gambling. People try to see a pattern that isn't there. Why because the human brain likes patterns, their easier to think about than random outcomes. Probablitity doesn't not comply with patterns, agreed. Now my winged mutant doesn't work. I know this, you know this. I didn't need you to tell me that, nor do I think "HA I WIN RAVEN, I rationized my character, he is better than yours", I like the person who knows that patterns don't exist with probability, find it eaier to think about if they exist anyways. If anything it also works to prevent godding modding which I would subconcussious do over time. They are Personal guide lines. WHy can't he suddenly become more and more powerful rapidly, because I have limited him to be birdlike. It works for me. If anyone one asks, thats what I tell then, "i can't come" "why not just aply fudge!" "still can't, I would still only be a bird hybrid "

As my OP was about how you interpret the canon and other elements of the game as a exchange of opinions not a debate, I didn't mean to offend you.

I'd say its a toss up between Controller and Defender if you want a mage.

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That's what I'm saying about your runner. He cannot be remotely 'realistic', because his physical structure is wrong for a creature that can run at over 600mph.

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Oh raven, why do I feel like you fell as if I am attacking all comic book creation as it is? lol

I never said that a man traveling around a planet 69 miles in 23 seconds is impossible. I said that for me i have to attemp to rationalize them. That why I said I know its weird, but to put my mind at ease I must try to. Is like why did they invent the speed force for flash, Yellow solar raditation powering supes? Hard Light for GL, the hollow bone structure of Angel?

In a comic book world like everyone says you don't have to, but some people like myself, feel the need to try.

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but you complain that a power is unrealistic without invulnerability,

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Again in my mind, i thought how does he survive mach 3? He has super strong skin , that as a side effect would grant him some invulnerblity. I never complained, I simply stated my reasoning around it.

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Actually, you're wrong this time. You don't need enhanced strength you need a totally different physical structure. The primary motive muscles on a bird anchor to the the big, pointy ridge in the centre of the chest. A human rib-cage is totally different from a birds and doesn't have the required muscle and bone systems to power wings.


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Again In a "Comic book rationalization" he would need the increased muscle strength to achieve flight. I now what your on about. Once in class it was asked why can humans have winged flight, by a curious child on the subject of angels. The scienctist " well first off your upper body would need to be at least 85% stronger as we are to heavy to fly", let alone the fact that we would need to drastically rearrange or bone structure.

But if your Alt is a mutant, who, by definition, evolved winged flight, one would assume he would be adapted for it. Like hollow bones, reduced fat storage on the body, increase pectoral muscle strength, highten metabolism, adaption to breathe in thinner air etc..

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Really? Says who? Recluse? I think, given his resources, if Recluse was really the greatest human mind (and he isn't human, btw, he's an Incarnate) he would have taken over completely by now.

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Says the backround to CoH. look it up if you want..

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Um... so actually us humans are more powerful than this uber-demon. He can't break our weak, human enchantments...

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I never said that is was human made spell or that there isn't a need to call apon the favor of some godlike being to do so. Dr Strange calls apon many godlike dimesional beings to stop demons coming to our world, in which later he will have to pay some debt. Therefore its not a weak human enchantment its usually some goldlike uber enchantment

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You lost me a bit here. I don't understand what you're talking about.

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I was saying my reference to Dr. Fate is that he cannot create matter, he can manifest it or create energy based objects, but never any real ones, as this power is that of a god.What I was trying to get at also was in comics, you have to ask for those powers from a god, as it is beyond the power of a human to do such things. Once you do you become a god. And that in my mind is the true definiton of god modding. That is why i dislike magical characters when there are no universal rules to bind their power. Under your logic of magic, anyone human has the potential to become a godlike mage correct? He simply needs, time, training, and practise. In my sineario you are rescricted to the amount of pwoer you can have based on will, tolerance, punishment ( the wiccan rule of three if you will), losing oneself and borrowing powers from gods at a price. Maybe one of my characters can destroy a planet, but it will near kill him from the strain of channeling so much energy.

I think we will have to agree to disagree and hope we never meet in game :P As we are debating to different things in a sense then over one thing, it may have the same title but it is clear we are not on the same topic.

I think your version of magic works more on the idea of "mind over matter", while mine works kinda on the idea that you bend the laws of physic by calling on mystical energies, and maniplulation of the "life" energies of the universe.

Basically for once I'm the hippy version of magic ( huzah Sarcasim off)

My mom, ( yes I know its embarrassing, but hey i'm young, i live with her and she is a spiritualist) has probably influenced me on this.

In my version, you kinda communicate with magic. The closer you are to it the stronger the connection. But as humans and lower beings we can only ever forcefully ask this to do as we please. Why does the planet grow faster? because i forcefully "ask" it, or maybe even nicely. How can I throw you across the room, I forcefully ask you or magic if you will.If you have no communicate to magic, then it is like an open door, I can ask, get no answer then either be rude and answer the door (Throw you across the room) or let it be ( in which case nothing happens). All life, has thought a naturall tendancy to want to close their door. Hence higher things like destroying a planet require more persassion if you will, or you have to force your way through the door pass a large bouncer, and this taxes you. A god, however, can direct and command magic. He says a want a chair here, and a chair forms. If he says planet blow up it does. And why a robot never gains magical powers. It has no communication with magic at all.

I know it sounds kinda loopy but its hard to explain and I'm not the greatest with words

I do think that your idea of "Mind over matter, or Mind or probability is quite cool, but it is alot easy to god mod.

With mine I always have a price to pay towards the end. But that seems to be the major flaw of all my characters. The more powerful they are the more they are taxed for using the upper reaches of their powers.