Ultimus

Originally Posted by Death_Adder

Do we have confirmation that the proc justs adds a % to the fury generated by that formula? If the proc is applied before the operations of the fury calculation it could dramatically change the results. It also could be applying a flat fury gain per instance it fires (which seems like the way it SHOULD work). I trust Arcanavilles maths, but I haven't had a chance to actually test any of this.

Originally Posted by Hopeling

Yes, it is definitely worth less than other ATO procs, and even than normal IOs in most situations. "Worth less" is not the same as "worthless" though. At low levels, or on a team with multiple brutes/tanks sharing the aggro, it'll be at least worth something.

Originally Posted by Hopeling

It helps you build up faster, though. That's not "worthless", although certainly not as valuable as it could've been.

Originally Posted by Johnny_Butane

I disagree.

If anything, I proves my point about Tankers.

"Sure, give them 20% res to everything. It's not like they're going to do anything serious, they're already nigh unkillable. They're not suddenly going to start soloing Hamidon with it."

Look, ATOs are probably something most people will only do for their most important characters and their mains. My main Tank doesn't get killed by anything that's affected by damage resistance anyways, and besides he gets capped resistance to everything but Psi with Unstoppable already.

The procs for Brutes, Scrappers and Stalkers help them out considerably regardless of build or power set combo, so I consider the Tanker proc the lame duck of the bunch. You're going to get a lot less out of it depending on your primary, and that's bogus IMO.

And don't drag thematics into it. Even Controllers got a damage proc and they're not about damage either. They're even less about damage than Tankers, they don't have a damage primary or secondary.

I see it as Tankers being told, yet again, "here's your shiny beads and $24, GTF back in your place".

I'm not surprised because we've known about this proc since last summer, but I am sure still not impressed by it regardless of the numbers.


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Originally Posted by Arcanaville

Actually, I expressed this concern when scrapper criticals were added and when scrapper damage modifiers were increased. In fact, I specifically challenged Statesman to explain how he could increase Scrapper damage *modifiers* and Blaster damage *caps* and claim both were similar increases in damage. Particularly when Blaster damage caps were only being increased to *equal* Scrappers, while Scrapper damage modifiers were being increased to *exceed* Blasters.

And anyone who so much as mentions the Scrapper ranged damage modifier as if it actually exists is getting Tommy Lee Jonesed.


In fact, if there's one thing Tankers, Controllers, Dominators, Stalkers, Masterminds, Defenders, Scrappers, Brutes, Corruptors, Peacebringers, Warshades, Widows, and Soldiers of Arachnos all agree on, its that all of them should do a lot of damage even though doing damage is the only thing Blasters are specifically designed to do. Blasters actually do not have the highest ranged damage modifer (Scrappers do because they use their melee modifier and have crits), they do not have the highest melee modifier (third behind Scrappers and Dominators), do not have the widest set of self damage buff powers (most of them Blasters don't get, including the most powerful of them: Fiery Embrace, Rage, Power Siphon, Follow Up), do not average more AoEs, do not average higher DPA - and they are the damage archetype.


Most blasters stopped bothering to complain about this years ago, but mostly out of a sense of futility, not because this hasn't been a perennial issue.

Originally Posted by Vega

If your target dies before the power hits. It's wasted.

Originally Posted by DarkGob

Market subforum would probably be a good place to ask, these sorts of transactions happen all the time over there.

Originally Posted by Hopeling

Does that answer your question?

Plus, Ion's secondary effects - end drain and an unreliable hold - are generally less useful than Void's damage debuff or Vorpal's defense buff. And as mentioned, it is tied with Vorpal for the slowest-casting.

Originally Posted by cybermitheral

Wow 11 pages of posts.
Mind if I just jump to the end and add in my 5c that may have been raised already?

As a way to make Tanks more resilient remove the ED values for their Primary powers only so Def/Res SO/IO's are more effective.

So instead of the current ED we remove the highest ED cap (+60%).
Current ED Numbers.
Def Enh ED%
+40% 10%
+50% 30%
+60% 85%

Example:
Deflection (Shield Defence)
Base 15% Def.
Slot it with +70% Def. No ED = 25.5%
Current ED = ~23.55 (ish close enough )

This only affects Primary powers, not CJ/Tough/Weave/Maneuvers/etc.
This gives a slight boost to Def/Res making it easier to S/C and get closer to Incarnate S/C.
If this is not enough have this affect all the Tanks +Def/Res powers including Power Pools.

Originally Posted by _Pine_

I think one key thing you are forgetting here is that if Tanks get a new inherent Anger, then their inherent now Gauntlet will no longer exist. Then tanks will have even more trouble gaining aggro.

Originally Posted by DarkGob

There's a joke about Virtue Pocket D here but it's probably better left unsaid.

Originally Posted by Kioshi

Don't you have Mid's?

The power needs acc, takes defdebuff and accurate defdebuff sets and probably needs recharge and endreduction since it's a completely garbage version of the thermal one, with extremely long recharge and laughable -resist values, plus it costs a ton of endurance for the little it does.