Tin_Soldier

Originally Posted by Twisted Toon

I guess you missed this part.

Granted, that doesn't explicitly state "my toggled had just dropped right before he managed to get in a lucky hit". However,I figured that any reasonably intelligent person could have inferred that from the quoted statement. My mistake.



Thank you, Tin Soldier. Stated much more politely than my reply.


What the hell does a break free have to do with damage resistance. My toggles can drop for reasons other than being mezzed, you know. Maybe, because I ran out of endurance. That is possible to do,even with "the Almighty Stamina".


When did I say I was mezzed? Point out in my post where I said I was mezzed. All I said, was that my toggles dropped. You immediately jumped, erroneously I might add, to the conclusion that I must have been mezzed. Because that is the only way in the entirety of the universe that toggles can drop. Right?

Oh yeah, there's that pesky not enough endurance thing too.


Well, you might try thinking before you start jumping to conclusions. That might help a little.



1) 0/x2 yes, bosses.
2)4 Med reds, 2 Med purples, 2 small purples, 0 blues (don't normally need them), 4 med oranges, 2 med yellows, 3 med greens, 2 med BFs, 1 med wakie.
3)see #2. Except 2 oranges were small. and the other 2 oranges were small BFs. I have that kind of luck on occasion.
4) Long enough that I took out at least 6 Bifurcations. Which, also reduced my Inspirations to 2 reds, no purples, no oranges, no blues, 2 yellows, 0 greens, 0 med BF, 2 small BFs, and a med wakie. Granted, I didn't start taking them out until he had more than one up. Then I was taking damage from Trapdoor, plus several other targets. It all adds up.
5) Trapdoor, who I managed to pull just into the hallway. Knockback was helping a little from the human form powers.
6) Less than the time for the sound effects for dropped toggles to end. Pretty damned fast.
7) I did have Dwarf Form. I had more options for knockback with human form though. And my hold missed.
for both 8) & 9) I could care less what anyone else thinks about my inpsiration loadout or combat tactics. I'm not playing their character. Nor should they be playing mine.

I was just pointing out that I did get one shotted despite having enough defense to floor his chance of hitting me. I was very unfortunate that everything seemed to happen in less time that it takes to say "WTF just happened?"

Hope that helps, Tin Soldier.

Originally Posted by Tin_Soldier

I do?
OK, for my edification then, some questions I'd like answered.
1) What 4XP difficulty level was Twisted Toon using in Mender Ramiel's arc?
2) What was Twisted Toon's inspiration loadout at the start of the Trapdoor mission?
3) What was Twisted Toon's inspiration loadout at the start of the Trapdoor fight?
4) How long after the start of the Trapdoor fight were Twisted Toon's toggles dropped?
5) What was Twisted Toon fighting when his toggles were dropped?
6) How long after Twisted Toon's toggles were dropped did the killshot land?
7) Do you believe the only way to build a viable Warshade is to include Dwarf form?
8) What improvements to Twisted Toon's inspiration loadout do you recommend?
9) What improvements to Twisted Toon's combat techniques do you recommend?

Originally Posted by Wavicle

Dwarf form? Break frees? Seriously, you went into melee against someone with Energy melee attacks and you didn't use BFs or Dwarf?

This is why arguments like this devolve to L2P. Because you need to.

Originally Posted by Wavicle

Where was your Damage Resistance?

I can't conceive of my Warshade being 1 shotted by anything with Energy melee.

Originally Posted by Circuit_Boy

*LOL*

Okay, now that's just damn funny, Angelofvalor.

I've played since Day One, solo and in groups. Circuit Boy is my main. I've been lecturing on this board about Endurance Drain for six years, so don't tell me I don't know its value. Did you pause your tirade long enough to actually look at the build I posted? It has far more Endurance Drain than any other build posted to this thread. You're attacking a straw man of your imagining there, dude. I've been this board's most vocal proponent of Endurance Drain as a technique. I have no idea where you've gotten the clearly-mistaken idea that I think it's "subpar". I don't think that. I've never said that. I would never say that. I'm infamous on these boards for saying the exact opposite. Repeatedly. For years.

However, everything I said about ranged attacks and melee attacks is true, both mathematically (which doesn't lie), and in-game. It's not "nuts", and if you'd pay one iota of attention to what I'm saying instead of writing knee-jerk responses that completely misunderstand what I'm saying or, worse, ignore it out of some perverse sense of contrariness, then you're only hurting yourself. I've given my reasons, and those are borne out of years and years of experience playing E^3. I've respec'd into--and out of--Lightning Field three times; I've respec'd into--and out of--Voltaic Sentinel just as many times. I've respec'd into--and out of--Charged Brawl, Havoc Punch, Thunder Strike, and even Lightning Clap (though, honestly, I can't find any rational reason to take that sorry excuse for a power). Everything I said about melee's disadvantages is patently true, and anyone who's actually played the game--instead of City of Theory, which so often gets played on these boards--knows it to be true. The melee powers' DPS is weaker. That's just the truth--you can't fight that. Their DPA is also lower if you spend any length of time closing into melee or chasing your foes. That's also patently true. In terms of attack chains, a ranged chain is going to net more actual damage than a melee one once recharge comes into the equation, say against Bosses, Elite Bosses, and Archvillains/Heroes. This is also simple fact, and undeniable.

Here, I'll show you what I mean. I did this video almost three years ago, when my build was more or less settled. It's a Rikti War Zone mission in less than 6 1/2 minutes, and that's with a fairly ridiculous amount of time being spent showing the build in the first place. The mission was set on Invincible, which would now be "+2 Level / x1 Heroes". Notice I didn't fall under 50% health, and most of the time, foes didn't have much time to respond before they were dead?

If you're blapping on teams, then you're not doing your full potential for the team. Period. As I've shown above in this thread, the amount of AOE potential far outstrips single-target melee damage to the tune of two-to-one damage-per-second. And, unless you've discovered the secret to activating two powers simultaneously, you do have to choose to do one or the other. I don't know about you, but my recharge is so fast that I can do Ball Lightning -> Static Discharge -> Short Circuit -> Recycle. If I throw a melee power into that, all I'm going to do is lower my damage-per-second.

You mentioned Superspeeding in and out. I've had SS for... well, years. After ED, however, all movement powers suppress if you actually attack. You are aware of that, right? "Jousting"--a technique I was involved in inventing to leverage Shocking Grasp--is still viable, but in City of Heroes (rather than City of Theory), you get stopped about 10-15' away from your opponent, and SS is suppressed for 4 seconds. If you'd actually played the game recently, you might know that.

You yourself admitted you haven't played in two years. I've been playing--and posting about Electric/Electric/Electric--for over six years.

Thanks for the laugh, dude.

Originally Posted by Spazboy

awesome ! my first trek into the forums in over a year has been quite helpful

Originally Posted by MunkiLord

If that is her reasoning then she doesn't understand how this particular exploit works.

Originally Posted by MunkiLord

Um, what? This doesn't make sense to me. Why would somebody stop earning XP?

Originally Posted by thgebull0425

My secondary is Energy. Elec/NRG is the build for the hero.

What do I slot it with then?

Originally Posted by Westley

Nope, I think it's pretty awesome. For me, THAT was the first time I felt like a "real" superhero, when I was facing off against the "evil" Phalanx one by one building up to the evil Statesman himself. That's when I first felt "important" in the game.

Originally Posted by je_saist

... ... hate to go off topic... but the second mud-pots hits an enemy... shouldn't the stealth turn off?

Originally Posted by protector_knight

The way I plan on going with is will be 2 acc 2 def buffs 2 recharge. Course if you have hasten you can replace a recharge for a endmod.

Course I plan on useing it for def buffs. Wife has a lvl 50 ice/ss and starting off with EA slotted that way, makes her very tough.

Originally Posted by SuckerPunch

And it's a Brute with Claws... But there's still more!

Originally Posted by Placta

I used the Ouroboros Initiation arc:

1. Click glowie.
2. Defeat 25 enemies, rescue 7 hostages, click glowie.
3. Rescue hostage, defeat boss.
4. Rescue hostage, blow up meteor.

The good points:
1. Losing your travel power isn't a big deal at all, since all missions are in the Ouroboros citadel.
2. Running the arc took me 10-20 minutes total, depending on challenge settings. I had all eight badges in about an hour.
3. If you don't have the Isolator badge, you'll get it. The last mission is full of Shivans, so you can work toward the Man/Woman in Black badge as well.

The bad points:
1. The second mission exemplars you down to level 1, which hurts, especially when stacked with some of the challenge settings (I remember player debuffed was especially bad). This will get slightly less annoying when Issue 16 hits.

Originally Posted by Eva Destruction

I was referring to their resistance that they have causing resistance debuffs to be resisted. I guess I'll just have to find out what resistances Rommy has, if any. Paragonwiki just says "Resistance" without giving specific amounts.

Originally Posted by Dread_Shinobi

If one of you math wizzes wants to step in be my guest here. You would need a HUGE difference in resistance (I believe it would need to be around 50% smashing resistance and 0% energy resistance, dont quote me on my terribad maths though ) for TF to ever do more damage than EP+BS, even to resistant foes.

Originally Posted by YuriFoxfirega

Butane, mang... You're doing yourself a horrible credibility disservice leaning so hard on Mids numbers.

Just now got done verifying both in-game with Real Numbers, and City of Data, that Scrapper's base damage with Smite is 82.58 and the Tanker base is 58.73... exactly the same figures that Kali gave.

I'm more willing to trust her numbers at this point, having two sources of credible verification of it. Unless you want to tell me that the in-game measurement is off?