SuperFerret

Originally Posted by Johnny_Butane

Some of us don't like most of our Primary power set being rendered moot and some of us like to use the other powers in our Secondary besides Taunt to FIGHT super villains; not RUN AWAY like ants.

Originally Posted by Johnny_Butane

Lets compare Battle Maiden with our characters.


When Battle Maiden arrives from Praetoria, she streaks down from low Earth orbit, smashing into Steel Canyon like a meteor causing massive destruction.

She proceeds to dispatch all of the heroes and defense forces in the area, after all, Steel Canyon is only a level 20 zone at max. She does this solo for the most part (I consider her Warriors being part of her Lore Incarnate slot, pets if you will).

It takes eight proto-Incarnates to bring her down, yet her attacks can and will devastate any of them.



When we arrive in Praetoria, we crawl out of the sewer. We cause zero damage; Neuron's plaza remains pristine on the mission map as if we have no impact or signigance at all.

We proceed to struggle against nameless nobody enemies who are automagically level 54, in Neutropolis, a level 20 max zone.

With the help of seven allies, we only face two heroes, and their powers are superior to ours in every way. Compared to how we fared against BM's attacks, they laugh off ours. It takes one lazy catgirl to bring down any of us and the only reason we win is by it being 8 on 1 (or 4 on 1 depending) like cowards.


Who comes across as more epic and powerful in these two examples? NOT US in my opinion. I don't feel more powerful. I don't feel like I'm "on the way to being seen as a peer to the NPCs." I feel like I've been reduced in power, because before I could at least stand up to any of them. Now I have to run away like an ant being chased by a magnifying glass, kite like a coward and fight legions of demonic spiders because of a sadistic GM.



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Originally Posted by sleestack

I got around the ROUS "issue" a long time ago. I realized that while monster are good adversaries for the characters, the most deadly foes are NPCs, equipped similarly to the players. This makes it fairly easy to scale the difficulty of the fights to keep the players from either walking all over their foes, or getting steamrolled in their first encounter. An added bonus is that many of my players had memorized the Monster Manual (back when I played D&D, many years ago). With custom NPCs, the players can't say, "Oh that's Monster X, from page 53 of the MM. I use a flask of burning oil, as flame is its weakness".

So yeah, I tend to avoid the ROUS in encounters for new characters. I may throw something similar in every once in a while, but it's typically a sideshow to the real adventure.

Originally Posted by Winza

Actually, if I were to add in a new AT that used an AE powerset combo that isn't already available, it would be Assault/Buff-debuff. It'd have MM debuff values with tanker damage modifiers. It wouldn't be the best at anything, but it would definitely be fun to play. It also wouldn't be over or underpowered, just neutral.

Originally Posted by Demobot

Well, not every player actively reads the forums, where much of the information on the Alpha slot has been discussed in great detail. Not everyone wants to (or can) install the test server client, and some people just want to be surprised when the issue launches. The patch notes make everything pretty clear, but some people automatically think "tl;dr".

Things will improve over time. Much like the invention system was initially this esoteric, mind-boggling labyrinth of math and economics, it's now generally well understood by a good portion of the playerbase (well, except for the economics part).

Originally Posted by Scooby_Dont

Didn't read the whole thread, sorry if mentioned earlier.

Thugs don't drop dead when dismissed anymore. That's good for my thugs/storm MM because those thugs are her sons. Her damn children. I hated to see them just drop dead when dismissed.