Stormbird

Did I say everyone was? No. I said it happened far more redside than it ever did blueside - amazing how you cut that part out of the quote, though. Hmm. But even in the part you left in, you'll notice I used the word "Some."

Are there jerks blueside? Sure. But I get far more just spontaneous heals, buffs, etc. than I do redside.

Are there good people redside? Sure. But I run into more jerks there, and they stand out more because of what I said.

What a fine example of humanity you're being here.

Though the attitude in your post does remind me of one of the OTHER reasons I rarely play redside, besides all the others listed here (no variety low level, depressing, trashy look, etc.) Unfortunately, it's not one the devs can program away.

Redside seems to give some players the impression they have free rein to be complete jerks to others. I'll be on a lowbie, obviously doing some hunts or something, and have a 50 come by and nuke everything - then follow me around killing stuff until I grab a newspaper mission. Why? "lulz im a vilin." Or I'll ask them (and I *do* ask nicely) to stop, and get a screen full of vulgarity. Or they'll train a bunch of other mobs over to me.

Yeah, they get /ignored and petitioned. But it happens more redside in a month than I've EVER seen blueside. I like my masterminds, corruptors, brutes, doms. Come I21, I'll like them even more because I won't have to put up with that.

If you offered, I'd head for the hills, too. Add to that that she doesn't seem to regard you as much more than a bully, from what I've seen from several interactions, and I'm not surprised at all.

Oh, nearly forgot.


Re: costumes.

The Romans considered the Britons barbarians. If the Briton women had been wearing that "barbarian" outfit, the Romans would be too busy laughing or polishing their swords to invade.

Agree 100% to the "Santa's Little Helper" outfit description. It's cute-ish. It's not barbarian, though.

Bit of both. From what I'd seen so far, the Ubuntu software center was supposed to be where you were going for everything. And I'd searched in there for (for instance) XML;;Simple and whatnot and came up blank. And when that mentions "If you have ActivePerl, then you have these other dependancies" - well, given I'd just seen a whack of messages saying "THis not found, that not found" and they weren't coming up in there, yeah, I did it manually. Then manually found what *those* complained about.

If there's another manager to run *in addition to* that, (a) it's not immediately obvious and (b) that's something that should be merged into the one software center, frankly (even if it calls it behind the scenes.) Because I found none of it there, and didn't see another manager of any sort.

Well, like I said - I'm getting just the opposite with this. Windows, it's "Run setup." Anything it needs tends to be included.

Now, I'm not saying that's a 100% fair comparison *in this case.* After all, I'm trying to run a non-Linux application in Linux, so there are going to be extra hoops. I expected that. It's just that those hoops led to others to the point of frustration to me.

I'm... not sure how it's any harder. Now, by "maintain" I'm looking at patches and such, and *to me* they're fairly the same. Windows snags updates for itself, and apps in general (especially now) seem to be self-updating. Linux does it the same way (though it seems to want to update far more, far more frequently - seems every time I log on there's a window with 10-15-20 items to be updated.) Windows (Vista and 7) take care of their defragging automatically, once a week (and you can change the schedule.)

Maintenance wise - barring the OS going south for whatever reason - I'd say the two are equal.

Linux was not designed at the start to be user friendly. It was designed by a college student to be Unix-ish. And for most of its life it's stayed with the "hobbiest/geek" crowd who were more than happy to *write* their own device drivers, for instance. User friendliness (and I mean "average user" is, quite honestly, fairly recent. (I've tried poking around with it from time to time. I had, somewhere, an old Slackware distro, old Red Hat pre-Fedora distros, an old Caldera distro, etc. Want to chase the average user off, have them look at those. I know they chased me off when, for instance, trying to get a network card working was more involved than learning Chinese and made less sense.)

That legacy has been minimized a good bit in the last few years - but it's still there, and still daunting (to the point of frustration and/or just giving up) for me and, moreso, for those less willing to put up with mystic command lines than me.

I *want* to like it. But it has a ways to go - then again, like I said, I'd put it on something to use strictly as a web/email machine, and that's progress. I wouldn't have done THAT before.

If I'd had them, I'd assume it wouldn't have complained they weren't there when I tried running things. Instead, it was one thing - oh, then another - then, oh, one more thing - oh, and this...

Which, I'll say again... is not going to help get more people running it. I got frustrated with it, and I'm willing to do it... to a point. I can't imagine most of my coworkers (who get confused when an icon moves - I wish I were joking) for instance, or my folks, doing anything more than throwing their computers out the window if they tried this.
You do realize people have to try it to become a fan - or not - of it, right? That's what I'm doing. And this, so far, has been the worst experience of trying to get something to run that I've run into. I've ended up installing Chromium to get flash stuff to run, since it flickers or just doesn't work in Firefox, even though it's the same site (and yes, I've tried updates, I've tried everything Adobe, etc. say to try.)

Right now, I'm at the point where I'd throw Linux on a netbook or a low power PC to use for email, web browsing and the like, but still not use for gaming - since apps like that actually DO tend to go in fairly easily. Or come preinstalled. Or work nicely through the software center. It's not, at this point, my first (or second) choice if I had to run "only" one OS on "only" one PC.

*cough*

LOL.

OK. Now that we've had our catfight, I want to show you what's so LOLworthy whenever someone brings up "Forum cartel." I'm going to use your own post above (not the <3.)

First, you're going through and saying how other people think. Unless they've said as much, you're just guessing.

Second, I can guess some of the people you're thinking of. The regulars on this board. And their own posts make what you say false. I've seen them agree that a change could be good, or just say it has some problems and needs some work (and even *gasp!* offer suggestions!) Even the copy paste stuff that gets some people SO offended I think is a good idea, because it's there on stuff that gets suggested over and over again and gets everyone on the same ground so if there's something NEW or a different twist on it the people talking about it can start from there instead of rearguing all over again. (Wow, that's a long sentence.)

They'll usually offer arguments as to why they think a certain way, and I don't think any of them have ever said "Because I say so" in so many words. Sometimes they go with what the developers have said, or because things have acted a certain way (this was changed, but they did that to it at the same time, so they'd expect to see something like that done,) and yeah, they get to have opinions too. That's not elitist.

Third, they don't even agree with each OTHER all the time. There's a thread not too far away from this one on walk where the regulars REALLY don't agree, and at least one is defending the idea (aside from other people chiming in, and some non regulars seem to attack the idea's poster.) You don't even have to dig for it.

Fourth, I don't think any of the regulars have ever hinted that the devs listen to them more or they have any special say. The only person who does seem to, and she admits it, is Arcanaville.

That's why I LOL at anyone yelling about the "forum cartel." Or any post bringing them up. Other than a useless post number indicator, there isn't one, and naming them as anything else is like saying you can't sleep because of the monster under your bed. Seriously, nobody's out to get anyone. Relax.

/out.

Take your own advice (and take your persecution complex with you.)

And here we have a prime example of "How to make sure to make your post into a whiny rant," alternately "How not to be taken seriously." Call out some shadowy "Forum Cartel." What are you going by, the stupid forum titles? LOL. Or are you one of those paranoids sitting at home in a tinfoil hat looking for some sort of conspiracy?
Which one? Certainly not this one. And "The player base?" I'm part of the player base. I certainly didn't ask for this. And if the "Forum Cartel" (lol) is arguing against it, guess what, THEY are part of the player base too, and not wanting it. And my early SG experiences with people focused on "Get prestige, churn prestige!" make me not want it. I think it's a crap idea.


Step 2 in making your post irrelevant: How to ignore things that were posted before. Prestige and dedication to an SG are not the same thing.
I have. Or at least had it strongly implied. Shortly before I left that group of good for nothings in that SG. Never mind that I was organizing task forces and helping new players, even buying things like KB IOs for them. Nope. I was less "worthy" than the idiot who was sitting on a farm all day. And I'm not making this up - really, REALLY bad player when we finally got him into a mission. All he knew how to do was farm. And that's all he did. Farm and PL.
No, it isn't.

Step 3: Go back to name calling to prove you don't have or can't undertand an argument.

Step 4: Prove you don't know what you're talking about. I see a pretty good mix of discussion, agreement and disagreement, and the agreement is not just with the regulars here.

Because some ideas shouldn't be implemented.
Like your own are baseless?

Same here. I don't remember anyone going "Hey, I'm a guy!" or "Hey, I'm a girl!" or asking anyone else if they were, either.

Fixed. Saying flat out you don't understand is not an attack. It's truth.

He's made his case. You've only made a case that you're resembling the picture above.

Such wonderful people skills you have. /golfclap

I'd disagree with you just on the basis of the way you presented yourself here, because your gripe is likely selfish and poorly thought out - on TOP of being vague.